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Wed Jan 14, 2015, 11:38 AM Jan 2015

Asahi Shimbun: Promote hydrogen as a major energy source for Japan's future

JAPAN'S CUTTING-EDGE HYDROGEN TECHNOLOGY



Prime Minister Shinzo Abe became one of the first people to experience Toyota’s upcoming fuel cell sedan when he drove the vehicle at a hydrogen fueling station in Kitakyushu, Japan.

...Under these circumstances, hydrogen energy is attracting much attention. Expectations are rising that hydrogen will serve as a new leading energy source along with solar and other traditional renewable energy, power Japan’s renewed economic growth and act as a force that changes society in the process...


...Toyota is by no means the only Japanese company that has cutting-edge hydrogen technology. One example of state-of-the-art Japanese hydrogen technology is the Ene-Farm, a household fuel-cell system that supplies electricity and hot water by using hydrogen from natural gas as a fuel. Demand for the system, put on the market by a major Japanese gas supplier and other companies in 2009, has grown sharply since the Fukushima nuclear disaster. Total sales of the product surpassed 100,000 units last year. No foreign company offers a similar system yet...

...Japan also leads the pack in the number of patent applications related to fuel-cell technology. Japan’s figure is more than five times larger than that for the second-ranking country.

Some local governments have started working to use hydrogen technology as the core element of new urban development projects...

......In the new basic energy supply plan it released in April last year, the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry pledged to realize a “hydrogen society.” In June, the ministry announced a road map to achieving that vision, spelling out measures that should be implemented by 2050. These steps should be taken steadily to push the nation toward a future powered by hydrogen...

MORE: http://ajw.asahi.com/article/views/editorial/AJ201501130050

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Related: Honda reveals fuel-cell powered car
USA Today January 13, 2015


Guests look over the Honda FCV fuel cell powered concept car during the media preview at the North American International Auto Show on Jan. 13, 2015, in Detroit.

Honda showed its next-generation hydrogen fuel-cell car for the first time in North America at the Detroit auto show, saying the car is the headliner that will usher in a new age of Honda innovation -- including a move to turbocharged engines that Honda so far has avoided.

The exotic-looking fuel-cell car, called the FCV Concept, is scheduled for U.S. introduction in 2016.
http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/detroit-auto-show/2015/01/13/honda-auto-show-detroit/21687573/

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Hydrogen posts have a way of bringing out people that love to say "It can't be done" or "It's too expensive" or "What's wrong with electricity" (from burning coal)?.

The reader can believe a few (quite vocal) posters that know almost nothing about Hydrogen (other than the Hindenburg crashed) or they can listen to people like Dr. Chris Borroni-Bird, Dr. Michio Kaku, Ph.D. and Noted Environmentalist Amory Lovins (Read Twenty Hydrogen Myths by Lovins here). In any event, none of these anti-progress, credential-less people will manage to stop Hydrogen tech- which is in its infancy. They won't even be able to slow it down-even a tiny bit!



Featured: Michio Kaku Ph.D.

Larry Burns VP R&D and Strategic Planning GM corp

Dr. Chris Borroni-Bird
Vice President, Strategic Development, Qualcomm Technologies Inc.

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The Hydrogen haters have some time to prepare for the 2020 Olympics, which will show that Japan has done what the US couldn't.

Japan plans to develop 2020 Olympics Village into 'hydrogen town'
January 6, 2015 IBTimes.com

Japan is planning to turn the athletes' village for the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo into a "hydrogen town", where electricity and hot water are generated from hydrogen.

Japanese newspaper, Yomiuri Shimbun, reported that the Tokyo metropolitan government has decided on the plan, which is set to be the "largest experiment employing the new energy source".

After the Tokyo Olympics are over, the electricity and hot water generated with hydrogen energy are expected to be furnished to a school, and commercial and other facilities to be constructed on the village site. The village will later be converted into a town with a population about 10,000...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/japan-plans-develop-2020-olympics-village-into-hydrogen-town-1482091


The Hydrogen news has barely begun...Watch what happens because not everyone gets to see the birth of a whole new age
#HydrogenClaptrap

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Asahi Shimbun: Promote hydrogen as a major energy source for Japan's future (Original Post) nationalize the fed Jan 2015 OP
Except that hydrogen isn't an energy source FBaggins Jan 2015 #1
Hey! You're on screen! Nihil Jan 2015 #2
Is converting one fuel, natural gas, which in its raw form can be used to power vehicles CentralMass Jan 2015 #3

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
1. Except that hydrogen isn't an energy source
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jan 2015

So long as Japan is importing massive amounts of oil/gas for electricity generation (and thus any hydrogen extraction), this isn't a dramatic shift from just using gasoline.

If they instead continue the restart process on their nuclear reactors and return to construction of new reactors (as appears to reenter the conversation)... then it could start to make sense.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
3. Is converting one fuel, natural gas, which in its raw form can be used to power vehicles
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jan 2015

either in a combustion engine or fuel cells, and to produce heat, hot water and electricity, into hydrogen more efficient than just using the natural gas ? No

Is producing hydrogen via electrolysis and then using energy to compress the hydrogen for use and then incurring the inefficiencies to convert it back into power to power vehicles more efficient than using the same electrical power directly to charge an electric vehicles ? No

The hydrogen economy is still snake oil. Hydrogen is not a fuel, it does not exist on its own in any useful qty. It is an energy carrier requiring energy to produce it and results in a net energy loss when the gas is converted back into power.


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