Electric Vs Hydrogen: Who's Ahead?
http://www.autoworldnews.com/articles/13161/20150218/electric-vs-hydrogen-whos-ahead.htmFeb 18, 2015 06:30 PM EST | Jordan Ecarma (j.ecarma@autoworldnews.com)
[font size=3]Automakers have long been debating electric versus hydrogen when it comes to alternative fuel, and for the moment at least, hydrogen fuel cells seem to be ahead.
The potentially game-changing Hyundai Tucson can be refueled in less than 10 minutes, according to the automaker, and "makes the transition from gasoline to hydrogen as seamless as possible," said a report from Automotive News.
"The hydrogen fuel cell debate is no longer a chicken-and-egg conundrum. The fuel cell vehicle has arrived first. It works," wrote Richard Truett after driving the Hyundai Tucson.
The compact sport-utility vehicle, which uses fuel cell technology to convert hydrogen into electricity, has received an approving nod from Consumer Reports as well.
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http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Apple-s-electric-car-dreams-carry-challenges-6086121.php
By David Welch and Dana Hull | Published 4:26 pm, Tuesday, February 17, 2015
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Electric cars are still a tiny portion of global sales. Nissan needed three years to sell 100,000 Leafs. Tesla’s record was 31,655 of the Model S last year in an industry that sells more than 100 million vehicles a year. The company plans to sell 55,000 this year and is still losing money.
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The California Air Resources Board, whose clean-air rules for cars tend to be adopted by many other states and also influence federal emissions standards, requires automakers to produce a certain percentage of zero-emission vehicles for sale in the state. They can be hydrogen fuel cell-powered, electric or hybrid vehicles.
Changes to the regulations now favor hydrogen-powered vehicles because they can be refueled faster than electric cars can be recharged and can often drive longer before needing to fill up. Also, state tax rebates for hydrogen fuel cells can be double that given to buyers of electric cars. These incentive programs may start to turn the tide toward hydrogen over electric drive, Noble said.
Both Toyota and Honda plan to sell fuel-cell vehicles in the U.S. this year. Toyota has wound down its electric RAV4 sport utility vehicle and Honda stopped selling the electric Fit subcompact.
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Off to the interwebs I go! 
And the quick refueling only matters on long trips, and with fast DC charging will matter less and less.
The BIGGEST disadvantage to Hydrogen is that we will be OWNED by middleman fueling stations.
Electrics can be charged at home and at work, and for now an EV with onboard gas generator can make those long trips.
Hell, my Chevy Volt has gone over 8,000 miles on 47 gallons of gasoline and the electricity has come out of 115 volt household outlets.
Hydrogen, it's just claptrap from the corporations.
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Of course, with regenerative coasting and braking, much of the energy that would be lost in an H2 car is recouped in my Volt.
Also, Obama is pushing for more workplace charging and employees are responding well.
Very unlikely that they'll be so kind when it comes to providing Hydrogen. 
Now it's true, I had to buy my electrons from an investor owned utility company, but that company is highly regulated by CARB, CPUC, and since decoupling is actually encouraged to sell less energy.
And, they offer EV owners special energy rates which, for some owners, have resulted in lower monthly energy charges.
Not all corporations are evil schemers trying to sell magical hydrogen cars and infrastructure.
Facts, baby!
The thing which battery supporters refuse to acknowledge is that home charging works in suburbia, in a house with an attached garage. Home charging does not work well with on-street parking for example.
Right on the street!
Actually, to be serious, people who live in, say, NYC don't own cars and if they do they don't drive them so much.
But even if they did, the park at work and CHARGE at work.
Look at the push our government is making toward more workplace (ev) charging:
http://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/ev-everywhere-workplace-charging-challenge
Interesting… (The “NYC” in “NYC_SKP” stands for…?)
http://www.nycedc.com/blog-entry/new-yorkers-and-cars
Yes, there’s been a years-long push by the Obama administration behind battery-electric cars, and plug-in hybrids (like your Volt™.) Despite that, sales have been far short of the goal.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2015/01/22/ev-goal-million/22176225/
David Shepardson, The Detroit News 10:49 p.m. EST January 22, 2015
[font size=3]Washington — Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz said Thursday the United States will not meet President Obama’s goal of getting 1 million electric vehicles on the road by the end of this year, and said hitting the target could be a few years away.
“We’re going to be a few years after the president’s aspirational goal of the end of 2015, but I think that we are within a few years of reaching that goal,” Moniz said in a Detroit News interview after an appearance at the Washington auto show.
In his 2011 State of the Union Address, Obama renewed a call he made as a candidate in 2008: to get 1 million plug-in electric vehicles on the road by 2015. But sales have been far slower than expected — about 280,000, including 120,000 in 2014.
Automakers have been forced to cut prices on many EVs and have scaled back expectations on sales. But automakers are unveiling a number of electric vehicles. General Motors Co. announced last week a concept EV — the Chevrolet Bolt — that will be able to go up to 200 miles on a single charge.
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You:
My point is still valid, people increasingly can charge at work. If they don't work, they'll be able to fast charge while shopping. H2 just ain't gonna happen on the street anywhere, or in your garage if you have one.
If we don't make the 1M EV goal it doesn't mean the technology will fail.
What won't happen is 1M H2 vehicles, ever.
from your link:
H2 makes sense as a replacement for stationary back up diesel generators and for fleets where many vehicles come home to the same central H2 storage system, like warehouses or delivery services.
But it will never happen that we'll see them on the street driven by ordinary citizens.
Magical Unicorn Hydrogen!
Good grief!
