San Francisco's Train System Still Uses Floppy Disks--and Will for Years

[mahatmakanejeeves]

Hat tip, someone on an IO.groups listserv that I'm on.

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GEAR APR 11, 2024 1:00 PM

San Francisco’s Train System Still Uses Floppy Disks—and Will for Years

Three 5.25-inch floppy disks help keep Muni running every morning. A tech upgrade could take until 2030.

The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, which runs the city's Muni Metro light rail, claims to be the first US agency to adopt floppy disks. But today, the SFMTA is eager to abandon its reliance on 5¼-inch floppy disks—just give it about six years and a few hundred million dollars more.

Members of the SFMTA recently spoke with the ABC7 Bay Area News and detailed the agency's use of three 5¼-inch floppy disks every morning. The floppies have been part of Muni Metro's Automatic Train Control System (ATCS) since its installation in a Market Street subway stop in 1998. The ATCS has multiple components, "including computers onboard the trains that are tied into propulsion and brake systems, central and local servers, and communications infrastructure, like loop cable signal wires," Michael Roccaforte, an SFMTA spokesperson, told Ars Technica.

The floppy disks are for loading the software running the central servers, Roccaforte said:

When a train enters the subway, its onboard computer connects to the train control system to run the train in automatic mode, where the trains drive themselves while the operators supervise. When they exit the subway, they disconnect from the ATCS and return to manual operation on the street.

Roccaforte said initial planning for an overhaul of the ATCS, including moving off floppy disks, started in 2018 and was expected to take a decade from initial planning to completion. Because of an 18-month-long Covid-19-related hiatus, completion is expected in 2029 to 2030. SFMTA expects to settle on a contractor by early 2025 and will release a detailed project timeline then.

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[Traurigkeit]

1. This reads like so much pork has been put into this 'floppy disk' move.

[Turbineguy]

2. I remember those.

Start computer, walk down the hall, make fresh coffee, engage somebody in a lengthy conversation, back to office, computer ready!

[AllaN01Bear]

3. bzz bzz b bzzz.

[hunter]

4. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

We can still read and write most common floppy disks formats in my mad scientist lab.

I'm not sure about the eight inch floppy drive, however. Haven't started that up for a long time.

Floppy drives are pretty easy to emulate. The German Navy has recently found itself in that predicament.

German Navy to replace aging 8-inch floppy drives with an emulated solution for its anti-submarine frigates

The German Navy is searching for a new storage system to replace the aging 8-inch (20cm) floppy disks which are vital to the running of its Brandenburg class F123 frigates. According to an official tender document, the ideal answer to the German Navy’s problems would be a drop-in floppy disk replacement based upon a storage emulation system, reports Golem.de.

--more--

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/german-navy-aims-to-replace-aging-8-inch-floppy-drives-with-an-emulated-solution-for-its-anti-submarine-frigates

[CCExile]

5. Those floppies are reliable.

Sounds like a good chance to built a more modern system in parallel with plenty of time for testing. No need to rush so long as there are two or more manufactures still making that floppy.