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MattSh

(3,714 posts)
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 03:05 AM Aug 2015

Americans have forgotten what we did to North Korea - Vox

Perhaps no country on Earth is more misunderstood by Americans than North Korea. Though the country's leaders are typically portrayed as buffoonish, even silly, in fact they are deadly serious in their cruelty and skill at retaining power. Though the country is seen as Soviet-style communist, in fact it is better understood as a holdover of Japanese fascism.

And there is another misconception, one that Americans might not want to hear but that is important for understanding the hermit kingdom: Yes, much of its anti-Americanism is cynically manufactured as a propaganda tool, and yes, it is often based on lies. But no, it is not all lies. The US did in fact do something terrible, even evil to North Korea, and while that act does not explain, much less forgive, North Korea's many abuses since, it is not totally irrelevant either.

That act was this: In the early 1950s, during the Korean War, the US dropped more bombs on North Korea than it had dropped in the entire Pacific theater during World War II. This carpet bombing, which included 32,000 tons of napalm, often deliberately targeted civilian as well as military targets, devastating the country far beyond what was necessary to fight the war. Whole cities were destroyed, with many thousands of innocent civilians killed and many more left homeless and hungry.

For Americans, the journalist Blaine Harden has written, this bombing was "perhaps the most forgotten part of a forgotten war," even though it was almost certainly "a major war crime." Yet it shows that North Korea's hatred of America "is not all manufactured," he wrote. "It is rooted in a fact-based narrative, one that North Korea obsessively remembers and the United States blithely forgets."

And the US, as Harden recounted in a column earlier this year, knew exactly what it was doing:

"Over a period of three years or so, we killed off — what — 20 percent of the population," Air Force Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Strategic Air Command during the Korean War, told the Office of Air Force History in 1984. Dean Rusk, a supporter of the war and later secretary of state, said the United States bombed "everything that moved in North Korea, every brick standing on top of another." After running low on urban targets, U.S. bombers destroyed hydroelectric and irrigation dams in the later stages of the war, flooding farmland and destroying crops.

Complete story at - http://www.vox.com/2015/8/3/9089913/north-korea-us-war-crime


The North Korean capital of Pyongyang. At bottom, the city in 1953, after an estimated 75 percent of it was destroyed by US bombing. At top, the city in 1964 after reconstruction. (Keystone-France/Gamma-Keystone via Getty)
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Americans have forgotten what we did to North Korea - Vox (Original Post) MattSh Aug 2015 OP
I did not know that. Suich Aug 2015 #1
Interesting Sherman A1 Aug 2015 #2
I don't doubt we bombed them. catnhatnh Aug 2015 #3
Well, you should remember that... MattSh Aug 2015 #5
North and South were bombed so badly that there are plaques marking "prewar trees" MisterP Aug 2015 #4

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
2. Interesting
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 05:11 AM
Aug 2015

I will have to take a look at the piece a bit later. It was indeed an unfortunate and an ugly war.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
3. I don't doubt we bombed them.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 12:16 PM
Aug 2015

This story has a small bullshit problem....from the diplomatic cable :ON JANUARY 3 AT 10:30 AM, AN ARMADE OF 82 FLYING FORTRESSES LOOSED THEIR DEATH-DEALING LOAD ON THE CITY OF PYONGYANG. ...

However the US never used a single B17 Flying Fortress as a bomber in Korea-rather several were used for the first 3 months of the war as photo-birds and others fitted with a small boat under the belly were used for water rescue of downed aircrew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAF_units_and_aircraft_of_the_Korean_War

The story concludes:
But while today's North Korean anti-American rhetoric is so often filled with obvious distortions and lies and thus easy to dismiss, this piece of anti-American rhetoric is chillingly real. That makes the cable jarring to read even beyond the sheer awful suffering it describes. It was a moment when the official North Korean characterization of America, one that we today rightly consider propagandistic nonsense, had a lot of truth to it.

I had never heard of B17's in Korea so I hit the google. To bad this credulous author didn't...

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
5. Well, you should remember that...
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 03:30 PM
Aug 2015

that this was a claim by the North Korea's foreign minister, who likely did not have access to a list of what types of aircraft were being used in the bombing. So they selected a possible candidate from the limited information they had access to.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
4. North and South were bombed so badly that there are plaques marking "prewar trees"
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 01:49 PM
Aug 2015

no matter the rhetoric of omnipotence and probably actual madness, we still have to treat NK as a real country with a history that humans can get a handle on

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