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Related: About this forumU.S. struggling over what to do with Syrian rebels once tied to al Qaida
Last July, an ultraconservative Islamist rebel group made a splash by publicly offering to work with Western powers to resolve the Syrian civil war and build a moderate future, a surprising overture from a force that regularly fights alongside al Qaida loyalists.
But the very next month, the same rebel group eulogized Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban chief who sheltered Osama bin Laden before and after the 9/11 attacks, as a steadfast warrior who embodied the true meanings of jihad and sincerity.
The mixed messaging from Ahrar al Sham poses a serious dilemma for the Obama administration and its allies as they determine which rebel militias are acceptable partners in a revived diplomatic effort to resolve the Syrian conflict.
Ahrar al Sham is one of Syrias largest and most effective rebel forces, and its involvement in or exclusion from peace negotiations could determine the viability of any settlement hatched from a new series of negotiations in Vienna. The group is too important to exclude from talks on the countrys future, say officials and analysts who monitor the conflict.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article48058665.html#storylink=cpy
Bombing them might be a start.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)We draw some murky line around ISIL and al Qaeda forces in Syria, and then proceed to fund all the other batshit crazy sunni jihadist groups in the region, half of whom of course are just funnels right back to ISIL and al Qaeda, the other half are on hold stockpiling guns and money to funnel to ISIL and al Qaeda later.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)They don't look like anything that belongs to us.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)strange world we live in.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)What kind of a solution might that be? WTF are they thinking, and who the hell in the Administration is pushing this agenda? http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article48058665.html
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Has been for over a decade now. This happened in Vietnam, it went on another ten years after it was clearly lost.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)I like old mossy cemetaries, and ruins, I don't think we really appreciate the depth of time that lies behind us or how ephemeral we really are. Places like that really help bring it all into context.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Reckless onslaught could aid ISIL, military warns
The cries for more robust military action against the Islamic State are growing louder. But Pentagon leaders and government terrorism advisers worry that escalation could also bolster terrorist ranks.
By Bryan Bender
12/07/15 07:16 PM EST
Presidential candidates and hawkish members of Congress are stepping up their cries for more robust military action against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant but Pentagon leaders and government terrorism advisers caution that a reckless escalation of the war could help the group recruit disaffected Muslims around the world.
The quandary has heightened since last weeks deadly shootings in San Bernardino, Calif., which called attention to the danger posed by ISIL sympathizers who become self-radicalized to commit violence in the West. Its one reason that the U.S. and its allies held back from bombing the Islamic States headquarters in the Syrian city of Raqqa, and why President Barack Obama warned on Sunday night that military overreach could lead to ISIL "using our presence to draw new recruits."
"If youre killing 1,000 a month in strikes and theyre replacing them at 2,000 a month, thats not good math," Army Brig. Gen. Michael Kurilla, the deputy director of special operations and counter-terrorism on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told West Points Combating Terrorism Center in October.
"There are inherently conflicting considerations here," said Paul Pillar, who retired in 2005 as the top U.S. government intelligence analyst for the Near East and South Asia and is now a senior fellow at Georgetown University's Center for Security Studies. "Some form of military actions plays right into ISIL's hands. That has to be balanced with whatever positive happens from military force."
Those concerns arent quelling the tough talk in Congress and on the campaign trail following last months terrorist attacks in Paris, which appear to have been coordinated by ISIL, as well as the California shootings, which investigators have blamed on a Muslim couple who the FBI says became "radicalized" by the Islamic States message.
We will utterly destroy ISIS, Republican White House hopeful Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas said at a campaign rally over the weekend, using another acronym for the terror network that controls parts of Iraq and Syria and has enlisted followers in numerous other countries. We will carpet-bomb them into oblivion. I dont know if sand can glow in the dark, but were going to find out!
In a recent campaign ad, GOP front-runner Donald Trump vowed to "quickly and decisively bomb the hell out of ISIS."
ISIL, in its own pronouncements and those of its sympathizers, has also sought to goad the United States into doing more militarily, saying Obama's unwillingness to send large numbers of ground troops demonstrated American weakness. The group has also made it a point of purposely operating in areas where they know civilians will be placed in grave risk from U.S. and allied air or drone strikes.
This is a success for the Islamic State in creating a 'balance of terror' with the strongest military force in the world, one self-described loyalist tweeted on Monday, according to Vocativ.com, which tracks jihadi communications over social media.
Another supporter mocked Obama, calling him a "crusader" who "is afraid of sending his dogs to fight the [Islamic] State.
But it is the no-holds-barred pronouncements by Cruz and Trump that make many current and former government terrorism experts cringe.
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"You might hope to make a headline by recapturing a town, but if it is at the cost of high collateral damage that would stoke the anti-Western resentments, that helps a group like ISIL," he said.
Those concerns have most recently informed the military strategy aimed at damaging ISIL's revenue from illegal oil sales. Fears that destroying the supplies and the supply chain would cause undue harm to the civilian economy in Iraq and Syria weighed heavily on Obama administration officials. U.S.-led air strikes have recently become much more aggressive, however, striking hundreds of delivery trucks that move the black market energy supply.
"That is one area where a somewhat higher risk-taking approach is worthwhile," Pillar agreed. "But it doesnt eliminate the drawbacks completely. Do you attack tanker trucks driven by poor schmucks just trying to make a living?"
More of an interesting read at:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/isil-escalation-pentagon-terrorism-216514
bemildred
(90,061 posts)And that is why everything we try to do turns into a mess. The jihadis basic strategy is to make us exhaust ourselves trying to wipe them out. And that's our strategy too.
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