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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,035 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 02:49 PM Nov 2022

Losing is not an option: Putin is 'desperate' to avoid defeat in Ukraine as anxiety rises in Moscow

When Russia invaded Ukraine in February, nobody in President Vladimir Putin's inner circle is believed to have expected the war to last more than a few months.

As the weather turns cold once again, and back to the freezing and muddy conditions that Russia's invading forces experienced at the start of the conflict, Moscow faces what's likely to be months more fighting, military losses and potential defeat.

That, Russian political analysts say, will be catastrophic for Putin and the Kremlin, who have banked Russia's global capital on winning the war against Ukraine. They told CNBC that anxiety was rising in Moscow over how the war was progressing.

"Since September, I see a lot of changes [in Russia] and a lot of fears," Tatiana Stanovaya, a nonresident scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and founder and head of political analysis firm R.Politik, told CNBC.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/losing-is-not-an-option-putin-is-desperate-to-avoid-defeat-in-ukraine-as-anxiety-rises-in-moscow/ar-AA14GFuS

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Losing is not an option: Putin is 'desperate' to avoid defeat in Ukraine as anxiety rises in Moscow (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2022 OP
Pootie, you started a war. Losing is always an option Walleye Nov 2022 #1
Diplomatically, Russia is becoming MORE belligerent. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2022 #2
Pootie would be better off if he left now and made up some crazy lie about how the met their PortTack Nov 2022 #3
Yes I think it is time for Putin to cut his losses now. Irish_Dem Nov 2022 #5
maybe we could offer him the governorship of Florida? DBoon Nov 2022 #6
Good idea!! PortTack Nov 2022 #8
Winning by committing war crimes also means a loss of global capital. Irish_Dem Nov 2022 #4
"Genius" "savvy" underpants Nov 2022 #7

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
2. Diplomatically, Russia is becoming MORE belligerent.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 03:16 PM
Nov 2022

They don't want to admit error, don't want to admit defeat. But it's staring them in the face. Their belligerence signals that they have nothing left to carry them to victory. But the Russian elite don't know how to end the string of failures because their Power Nexus demands defeat. But defeat is assured BECAUSE they have been rigid in their ability to solve their own problems. They can only execute actions that ensure defeat because their power structure demands it.

PortTack

(32,778 posts)
3. Pootie would be better off if he left now and made up some crazy lie about how the met their
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 03:17 PM
Nov 2022

Goals and all is well now.

Their next big loss will be Crimea.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
5. Yes I think it is time for Putin to cut his losses now.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 03:24 PM
Nov 2022

Make up some face saving propaganda and recall his troops.

But Putin cannot do that, he must "win" at any cost.

Perhaps the west will come up with some way for Putin to feel like he won.

DBoon

(22,369 posts)
6. maybe we could offer him the governorship of Florida?
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 03:43 PM
Nov 2022

Would anyone notice the difference between him and DeSantis?

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
4. Winning by committing war crimes also means a loss of global capital.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 03:22 PM
Nov 2022

Win or lose, Putin comes out of his invasion very badly.

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