New Zealand seeks UN resolution on Israel-Palestine

[Jefferson23]

April 22, 2015 10:12 P.M. (Updated: April 22, 2015 12:37 P.M.)

UNITED STATES (AFP) - UN Security Council member New Zealand is working on a draft resolution to revive long-stalled peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.

France has begun consultations on a text that would outline the parameters of an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, but Ambassador Jim McLay said Tuesday that New Zealand's friendship with Israel and the Palestinians means it could make a contribution.

"New Zealand wants this Security Council to focus on a practical outcome -- and we have been working on a text that might serve the purpose of getting negotiations started," said McLay.

The ambassador emphasized that the timing was right to move forward, after the Israeli elections and before the United States becomes embroiled in the campaign for the presidency in 2016.

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[Scootaloo]

1. Well, there's two problems they will need to jump

1) So long as it is "winning" Israel just is not interested in peace. What incentive can be provided that equals total control of Palestine and the silencing of Palestinian both within Palestine and the rest of the world?

2) If the "plan" calls for a list of concessions from the Palestinians, they're going to balk. From the Palestinian point of view, they've given up more than enough over the last seventy years, and they are very aware of Fact #1; How can promises be made (and kept) that will not only ensure Palestinians have full rights and a viable territory, but also keeps Israel on its side of the lines?

[Jefferson23]

3. I agree and it seems from what is available to read on the subject any deal

leaves Israel well suited..no meaningful gains for the Palestinians.

[geek tragedy]

5. Heads Israel wins, tails the Palestinians lose

Since Israelis don't want the occupation to end, not sure what there is to talk about.

In the question that presented possible long-term solutions, partition of the country was the most popular, preferred by 28 percent of those polled. At the same time, two other possibilities were not far behind: “Continuation of the present situation” is favored by 25 percent; and an apartheid state model – “one state, in which the Palestinians will have limited rights,” as the question phrased it – is preferred by 23 percent of Israelis. Only 10 percent said they would opt for a state in which all citizens will have equal rights.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601996

Less than 30% actually think a two-state solution is a good idea. They know they're supposed to pay it lip service, but at the end of the day, occupation and apartheid are much more popular.

[Jefferson23]

6. As I believe you know, when it comes to meaningful concessions, Israeli citizens do

not support to any great percent, the WB going back to the Palestinians nor EJ as their capital....and that
is just the beginning. See how an army would go over..you know, that thing states have of their own?

This may end by it being imposed on the Palestinians and Israel, but Israel will
probably be the only winner take all.

[geek tragedy]

7. It's probably time people started addressing the fact that the two-state solution

is not only dead, but has been dead for so long it's beginning to smell.

At this point, it's just a distraction to help avoid Israel avoid accountability and for everyone else to avoid admitting some hard truths about Zionism's collapse into just another petty ethnonationalism most commonly associated with post-colonial Africa and post-Soviet Eastern Europe, without any care for higher principles--just "our people matter, theirs do not"

[Jefferson23]

8. Unless there is a substantial change within the Palestinian factions, and they work as a unit

on one set of objectives, the Palestinians are on their own. They have a few things in their favor,
the worlds citizens largely support their cause, they have the ICJ advisory ruling which
indicates the strength of their legal status and they can confront the powers that be
in massive demonstrations..although many will be killed for such a sacrifice.

What else is left to them? I haven't read any reasoned analysis that suggests
they'll receive a viable state through negotiations with Israel..which has been an
intended farce all these many years.

It would be a pleasant surprise to see that the neocons have finally screwed themselves
so badly with Iran that a door would open for the Palestinians...but I don't have that
kind of faith.

[geek tragedy]

9. until Europe starts imposing trade sanctions on israel, nothing will change

Palestinians, as is almost always the case with stateless peoples, have no leadership or civil society infrastructure.

The PA is designed to keep them quiescent on behalf of Israel.

There will never be an independent Palestinian state. Within a century, there won't be an independent Jewish state either. Shotgun marriage.

[geek tragedy]

2. not this shit again.

negotiations are pointless when one party prefers the status quo to any possible negotiated settlement

the matter has been resolved for the foreseeable future; the question is what consequences follow

[Jefferson23]

4. Yes, totally. n/t