AIPAC spending estimated $40 million to oppose Iran Deal

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/spending-estimated-million

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is throwing mountains of money around in an attempt to derail the Iran nuclear deal.

Mondoweiss reported in early August that AIPAC’s education wing was taking all but three freshmen House Representatives on a visit to Israel in hopes of sabotaging the US government’s negotiations with Iran.

A few days later, the New York Times picked up the story. It reported that 58 congresspeople—including 22 Democrats and 36 Republicans—in total would be traveling to Israel in August.

The Times also revealed just how much money AIPAC is hemorrhaging in hopes of stymieing the international diplomacy between the P5+1 (the US, the UK, France, China, and Russia, as well as Germany) and Iran.

Israel, and its bootlicker lobbying group should be shownthe door.

[guillaumeb]

1. I live in the Chicago area.

There have been many commercials on cable about the "terrible deal with Iran" and suggesting that viewers contact their Congressperson to show opposition.

Netanyahu and the US war crowd are terrified that peace might actually break out as a result of this deal.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. Yep. The commercials are on in the Boston area as well.

AIPAC, IMHO, is acting for a foriegn country to try and scuttle a treaty it has no part in.

AIPAC should be viewedas a hostile and foreign entity.

[guillaumeb]

3. And AIPAC is acting as a virtual agent of a foreign country.

But they are also capitalizing on the "fear all Muslims" meme that plays so well in this country.

Israel, which has atomic weapons, is cast as the helpless victim, while Iran, years from a weapon, is cast as the aggressor.
It is amazing how the various lobbying groups for Israel can frame the argument with no fear of contradiction from the US media or US politicians.

[shira]

4. There's another Lobby, the National Iranian-American Council (NIAC)

This influential foreign interest lobby (basically under the command of the Ayatollah) did plenty of its own successful wheeling and dealing in Washington, with $$ Millions $$ of their own Oil revenue. They have literally zero support in the USA among Americans.

Oh, but they do have OIL. And they're itching to do business with Europeans who can't wait to make some fast money of their own. Riches for everyone! Especially the Ayatollah & I'm sure the Ayatollah will use all that extra $$$ cash $$$ for peaceful purposes.



Of course, NIAC isn't problematic in any way as a "foreign hostile, bootlicking entity" of Iran.

And of course, we all know Israel and AIPAC have no business butting into any deal that has a direct impact on Israeli lives. The utter NERVE of these people, pretending Iran poses any threat to them. How dare they?!?!



Now let's suppose America were under threat, not Israel. Imagine Americans taking thousands of rockets over the past 15 years, nearly all of which were paid for or imported in from Iran. We sure as hell know Americans wouldn't mind putting their security into the hands of 5 other nations who'd claim to know America's interests and security concerns better than Americans under rocket fire.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. It seems you are confused, shira.

Russia, China, Europe and the USA are involved in the treaty negotiations with Iran, and even if the USA pulls out those other countries aren't likely to follow that path.

Has NIAC spent 10s of millions of dollars to scuttle anything pretaining to Israel, inviting scores of US politicians to visit its country in a clear conflict of interest, lobbied heavilly in TV ads to distort the truth into a 1-sided farce while insulting our POTUS?



I don't believe they have, my poor dear.

And I don't have to imagine America is under threat since Israel and its lapdog AIPAC is doing everything in its twisted partisan way to scuttle the best chance for peace with the Persians, while offering no alternative plan except to kill the present one: which could quite possibly lead to a military conflict in the future.

So Israel is the country that is presently threatening the USA by attempting yo scuttle peace for an evetual war that the USA would have to wage...and most likely alone since the rest if the world seems to want this peace.

I don't need to worry about any Atatolla when its King Bibi that yhe West really has to look out for.

[shira]

7. "...scuttle the best chance for peace with the Persians..."

That's hilarious. Yes, yes...the Ayatollah is our friend who wants peace. SatanYahoo is the enemy.



BTW, Israel isn't pushing the US into war. I told you already who'd take Iran on. Pay attention.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. IMHO, I believe your statement is disingenuous at best.

[shira]

9. That's nice. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. Sure is, and accurate, IMHO.

I wish BibiAIPAC and his nuthouse of doom all the luck in the world of looking like the royal jackasses that they are.

[grossproffit]

6. OIL! The elephant in the room, that no one's talking about.

I wonder why?

[shira]

17. Reactionary, anti-Imperialist illogic. What do u expect? n/t

[geek tragedy]

18. Only in a Likudnik's paranoid fantasies is the NIAC an influential foreign interest lobby.

It's also not "under the command of the Ayatollah."

Spouting this stuff will attempting to justify Israel's intervention in the US political process is quite unseemly.

AIPAC and Israel have no business trying to drag us into a war on behalf of Israel.

[shira]

19. NIAC is very influential, considering 2/3 of Americans oppose the Iran Deal

In addition, a poll from the past week shows that only 41% of DEMOCRATS support the Iran deal...

And yet NIAC and Iran were more successful than AIPAC in coming to an agreement with the Administration. AIPAC's positions are supported by a majority of Americans in comparison.

It's also not "under the command of the Ayatollah."

Tell that to Persian Jews now living in America, free from the Ayatollah's tyranny. NIAC does nothing for them.

Spouting this stuff will attempting to justify Israel's intervention in the US political process is quite unseemly.

Just saying, NIAC is just as much a lobby as AIPAC. And yet you have no problem with NIAC and its lobbying (which BTW is in opposition to what most Americans want).

AIPAC and Israel have no business trying to drag us into a war on behalf of Israel.

That's comical. AIPAC isn't dragging America or any other Western nations into war. This accusation is just as baseless as the claim that AIPAC led Bush, Cheney, and Blair into war against Iraq. As if Bush wouldn't have dreamed of going to war against Iraq to get Saddam for targeting his daddy. Israel being against the Iraq war is confirmed by other sources as well.

But here we are, with the same bullshit claims of yesteryear.

[geek tragedy]

20. Your post is nothing but idiotic rightwing falsehoods but I want to highlight this one

And yet NIAC and Iran were more successful than AIPAC in coming to an agreement with the Administration.

as the reason I'm putting you on ignore.

It's always been a mystery as to why someone very clearly only interested in regurgitating talking points from the far right of another country's political system would choose to discuss politics on a liberal American discussion board. Especially when that person has never discussed a single issue as it related to the well-being of the United States as opposed to advocating for that foreign country.

Toodles.

[shira]

21. Yes of course, idiotic falsehoods you cannot refute are wrong...

How lame.

It's always been a mystery as to why someone very clearly only interested in regurgitating talking points from the far right of another country's political system would choose to discuss politics on a liberal American discussion board. Especially when that person has never discussed a single issue as it related to the well-being of the United States as opposed to advocating for that foreign country.

I'm giving you your own argument right back at you, in the hopes that you see just how freaking stupid it is. Lobbies are lobbies with their own interests. They sometimes win, sometimes lose. AIPAC is no more nefarious than any other lobby out there, and yet you attack it as some unique evil. You'd have a much stronger point if the situation were turned around and AIPAC was unpopular among Americans, yet influential with the Administration. But you don't have jackshit to argue with...

As to the well-being of the US, how do u determine that when most Americans (and more Democrats) agree with AIPAC's positions over those of NIAC's (including the JCPOA)?

Your illogic is stunning.

[Fred Sanders]

10. Foreign saboteurs....the whole lot should be in jail.

[oberliner]

12. Every member of AIPAC is an American citizen

Fascinating that you think they should all be in jail.

[6chars]

14. they may be American, but they are excersicing free speech

that's why they should be jailed.

[Fred Sanders]

15. Saboteurs, if citizens, are immune if assisting foreigners? Ever heard of "aiding and abetting" in criminal law?

[shira]

16. Do u have a problem w/ American citizens involved with NIAC, the Iranian Lobby? n/t