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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:23 PM Sep 2015

The Bedouin children trying to stop bulldozers with their cameras

http://972mag.com/the-bedouin-children-trying-to-stop-bulldozers-with-their-cameras/111434/

The children of the unrecognized Bedouin village Umm al-Hiran started their summer vacation in an usual way. The future of the village in which they grew up in is unclear, the struggle against the demolition of their homes is gaining traction, and the bulldozers are working tirelessly nearby to establish the Jewish town of Hiran.

Despite the fact that the Negev Coexistence Forum for Civil Equality organizes its yearly photography workshops during the summer, it was clear that this year it was of utmost importance to do it in the summer, despite the heat.

In May, Israel’s High Court of Justice refused to cancel eviction orders against Umm al-Hiran, home to 700 men, women and children of the al-Qi’an tribe. The state wants to demolish the village and relocate the Bedouin residents to the town of Hura – for the sole purpose of building Hiran over its ruins. Umm al-Hiran’s adjacent sister village, Atir, will also be destroyed to expand the man-made forest of “Yatir.”

Those who came to last week’s protest against the bulldozers, which are working hard to build the new Jewish town, were surprised to find children with cameras strapped around their necks, documenting the demonstration from every possible angle.


I can understand why Bibi Netanyahu doesn't want to take any refugees on since Israel is creating its own refugees by destroying Bedouin villages and replacing them with Jewish ones.

What Israel is doing is truly repulsive, but I'm sure the excuse machine will be by shortly to cry about 972Mag.com
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The Bedouin children trying to stop bulldozers with their cameras (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 OP
Just to clarify - all of these people are being given homes in Hura, correct? oberliner Sep 2015 #1
They are being forced out of their village so that a Jewish one can rise up out of its destruction. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #2
So are they getting homes in Hura or not? oberliner Sep 2015 #9
I have come to expect no less from you than the unenergetic replies; especially WRT R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #11
I guess you aren't going to answer the question oberliner Sep 2015 #14
"Just to clarify - all of these people are being >>>given homes in Hura, correct?"<<< R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #16
apparently "these people" have no wish to live in Hura azurnoir Sep 2015 #6
Clearly not oberliner Sep 2015 #10
Sounds very much like apartheid, again. procon Sep 2015 #3
This is where Israel becomes an apartheid state. Little Tich Sep 2015 #4
Israel already is an apartheid state. Whether these acts R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #5
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #13
I don't go to you for anything...except for probably a good laugh at times. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #17
I'm trying to keep my illusions of Israel's innocence for as long as possible... n/t Little Tich Sep 2015 #19
The Palestinians and Bedouin don't have that luxury. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #24
So far the "excuse machine" has not appeared. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #7
The deception in +972, Haaretz, etc.. is staggering. Here are the facts... shira Sep 2015 #8
Go peddle your sideshow "opinion piece"someplace else. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #12
That's all you've got? Pretty weak sauce there, Ace. n/t shira Sep 2015 #15
That's all I need, ace. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #18
You do realise where this is heading ??? Israeli Sep 2015 #20
Yes, I know their deceptive plans. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #25
An opinion piece from YNET by Ben Dror Yemini? Little Tich Sep 2015 #21
Its from YNET Little Tich...... Israeli Sep 2015 #22
Oops, my bad... Little Tich Sep 2015 #23
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Just to clarify - all of these people are being given homes in Hura, correct?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:34 PM
Sep 2015

Which is only a few kilometers from this location.

Hura being a town that has all government services unlike this unrecognized one.

From Wikipedia:

Unlike illegal villages with scarce access to water, electricity and services, Hura provides the residents with all their basic needs and the State encourages for scattered Bedouin tribes to settle in Hura by giving them land plots with ready built homes at a symbolic cost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hura

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
2. They are being forced out of their village so that a Jewish one can rise up out of its destruction.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:55 PM
Sep 2015

But that's alright with some. Move the locals along, destroy the fact that they have ever been there, build a new Israeli settlement on its ruins and ship off the unlucky non-Jewish folk to some place else.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.655145
Supreme Court Allows State to Replace Bedouin Village With Jewish One



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nadim-nashif/the-bigger-picture-of-the_b_7586138.html
The inhabitants of present-day Umm al-Hiran were moved there by the Israeli military in 1956, eight years after the Nakba (catastrophe) of 1948, during which 700,000 Palestinians were driven from their lands. Towards the end of the 1960s, Israel adopted a policy of relocating Bedouins into seven towns established by the Israeli government, and 11 recognized villages, in order to clear the way for the development of Jewish-only communities and the infrastructure to support them. Several Bedouin communities, like Umm al-Hiran, refused to accept Israeli offers of land in the established townships designed for them. Umm al-Hiran's government-issued lease to the land formed a basis for legal contestation against eviction and demolition orders issued in 2003 and 2004. The only move the villagers are willing to make is back to their ancestral lands to live next to the kibbutz since established there.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_al-Hiran
The British authorities of Palestine were in the process of registering lands in the territory before the end of the British Mandate in 1947. They recognised Bedouin ownership of their land, yet the land registration process was incomplete by this stage. This was taken advantage of by the Israeli government, which subsequently refuse to acknowledge traditional Bedouin land-ownership customs, dispossessing thousands in one fell swoop.


Gotta move those uppity Bedouin out of the way. Right, ober??
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
11. I have come to expect no less from you than the unenergetic replies; especially WRT
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 06:26 PM
Sep 2015

to the forced removal of an apparent second class set of citizens in Israel.

You should feel ashamed to even double down on the query.


Seeing how the removal of these Israeli citizens, to be replaced by the kind with the right background, should make anybody pissed off, but I guess that some are blind to that.

Would you be in favor of African Americans being removed from their homes to be replaced by Southern white Christians??


If you are for the removal of the Bedouin then you must be for the removal of any group just as long as it benefits the ruling group.


Prove me wrong.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. I guess you aren't going to answer the question
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 06:57 PM
Sep 2015

That's fine.

Nowhere did I express support for anyone being forced to move, incidentally. That only exists in your mind.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
16. "Just to clarify - all of these people are being >>>given homes in Hura, correct?"<<<
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 07:23 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=112270

Your usual MO, ober.

No denunciations, but subtle agreement with the party line, IMHO.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
6. apparently "these people" have no wish to live in Hura
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:27 PM
Sep 2015

b ut I know I know -why don't those Natives just go quietly to the reservation?

procon

(15,805 posts)
3. Sounds very much like apartheid, again.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:41 PM
Sep 2015

As I read the backstory about this, I wasn't very surprised to find that Israel is forcing the Bedouins off land that was ceded to them by the departing British, but never officially acknowledged. Now the state has claimed the land and wants to demolish the Bedouin's town and develop a new one on top of the ruins that will be for Israelis only.

The government has set up an over-crowded reservation system to hold the Bedouins which are described as having the highest percentage of unemployment and poverty in Israel. What the argument was against integrating both Israelis and Bedouins in the same town and improving the infrastructure services and housing for everyone? Otherwise this is just more of the same ugly, race based segregation that defines Israel's harsh discrimination policies toward minority groups.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
4. This is where Israel becomes an apartheid state.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:05 AM
Sep 2015

It's the very definition of apartheid to forcibly remove communities of of one ethnic group in order to replace them with communities of another ethnic group.

If Israel goes through with the demolition and replacement of Bedouin communities with Jewish ones, Israel will have stepped over the apartheid threshold. This will have serious consequences for Israel's standing in the world.

It would also affect me personally, as I support Israel as a democratic state, and If Israel goes over to the dark side, I must reconsider whether there's anything left to support.

Perhaps I would have to make the ultimate sacrifice and stop buying Israeli products; no more Bamba, no more Eskal pickles...

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
5. Israel already is an apartheid state. Whether these acts
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:37 PM
Sep 2015

are comitted inside Israel or by Israelis im the West Bank Israel is complicit in the act of apartheid.

Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #5)

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. So far the "excuse machine" has not appeared.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:58 PM
Sep 2015

Agreed, this is typical apartheid society behavior. Israel claims it needs this particular plot of land to accommodate people who have never lived in Israel. The Bedouin are treated as non-human, and given the structure of the Israeli legal system, the Bedouin are NOT fully human in the way that an Israeli Jew is.

This story illustrates that when defenders of Israel talk about the fact that Israel is the only Middle East democracy, there are two possibilities.
1) The speaker is unaware of the facts, or
2) The speaker has an agenda that allows the facts to be avoided when the facts conflict with the narrative.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
8. The deception in +972, Haaretz, etc.. is staggering. Here are the facts...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:16 PM
Sep 2015

...The facts are, first of all, that the Bedouin expansion to the compound allotted to Hiran began only after the decision was made to build the new community. It's written in the ruling. There are aerial photos that prove it.

Secondly, most of the Bedouins who were in the areas discussed by the Supreme Court willingly accepted the arrangement proposed by the state, according to the Prawer outline. The outline included generous land allotments in the adjacent recognized community of Hura, including an exemption from payment for the land, an exemption from payment for infrastructures and additional compensation for the transfer.

Thirdly, up until two years ago, the Regional Council of Unrecognized Villages of Negev – which are at the heart of the conflict – was headed by Ibrahim Aloquili, who tried to advance an arrangement with the state. The members of the coalition of incitement and deception didn't like it. They worked to present him as a collaborator and oust him. Why? Because radical elements wanted a militant line. "Aloquili has been seen for a long time now as a person who is sabotaging the attempts of other leaders to advance a more hawkish line vis-à-vis the government," they argued. The picture is becoming clear.

...It failed to mention the fact that most Bedouins supported the arrangement without being forced to. It failed to mention the fact that the Bedouins expanded to the community of Hiran only after it was decided to build it. It failed to mention the fact that the Bedouins' families are not being thrown out on the street but are receiving a generous arrangement from the state. Why were these facts concealed from the readers? We know the answer. It's not criticism; it's incitement and deception.

Not everyone who opposes the Prawer Plan is an enemy of the State of Israel or the Zionist enterprise. But for many, the Bedouin issue has turned into another propaganda tool as part of the attempt to present Israel, and the entire Zionist enterprise, as an enterprise of oppression, discrimination and expulsion. This is the reason why the campaign has become international.

Admittedly, the lies are winning. Even the European Union has already volunteered to save the Bedouins from the Zionist regime. In the face of the lies and distortion, all that is left is to present the facts.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4656018,00.html

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
18. That's all I need, ace.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 07:28 PM
Sep 2015
You post somebody else's BS justifying the removal of a people, and I laugh at your weak attempt.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
20. You do realise where this is heading ???
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:10 AM
Sep 2015

Quote : " The deception in +972, Haaretz, etc.. is staggering. Here are the facts... "

First they came for Mondoweiss ....
Then they came for us .






















 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
25. Yes, I know their deceptive plans.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 09:19 AM
Sep 2015

Scream and cry anti-Semite as long as possible.

Like Netanbooboo, nobody believes them any longer. Their actions are transparent and disgusting.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
21. An opinion piece from YNET by Ben Dror Yemini?
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:59 AM
Sep 2015

Last edited Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:19 AM - Edit history (1)

I wouldn't qualify him as mainstream or what he writes as fact... Do you have anything supporting the removal from a more mainstream source?

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