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Related: About this forumAmnesty: Killing of Hadeel al-Hashlamoun was ‘extrajudicial execution’
Leading human rights organization Amnesty International says the killing of the 18-year-old Palestinian Hadeel al-Hashlamoun three days ago by Israeli soldiers was an extrajudicial execution.
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The Israeli soldier then walked closer to al-Hashlamoun and shot at her chest four or five more times, while she was lying motionless on the ground. Other soldiers yelled at him to stop, yet he kept on shooting.
The Israeli military claims that al-Hashlamoun walked toward the occupation forces with a knife, but witnesses said the young woman had her hands inside her niqab, her full veil, the entire time, and never tried to move toward any of the soldiers. Israel also released a photo of a knife with a blue and yellow handle on the ground at the scene. The two eyewitnesses interviewed by Amnesty and photographs of the incident contradict these official claims.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Why not just post and link to the actual Amnesty International story or post and link to any of the many legitimate news agencies that have also reported on their findings (Reuters, AFP, etc.)?
How can you continue to frequent Mondoweiss after their articles excusing Ann Coulter and disrespecting Bernie Sanders?
What is it about that site that appeals to you?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Didn't think so.
But please, carry on with the kvetching.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If everything occurred the way that the witnesses describe the events in that report then there should be serious consequences. It does not appear that there was any legitimate reason for them to shoot and kill this woman, even if she did have a knife.
On a more mundane level, would you be willing to agree not to post from Mondoweiss anymore? You could have easily shared the content of this Amnesty report via any number of legitimate news agencies that reported on it, such as Reuters, AFP, and the like.
Does this Mondoweiss version add anything relevant to the story? It does not appear to.
How about we nix that site moving forward and focus on legitimate news sources and the content contained therein?
Agreed?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Nuts.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It has nothing to do with censorship. I would expect that if someone was posting from vanity sites critical of the Palestinian cause that they would be unwelcome as well.
How about we stick to the general guidelines pinned at the top of this forum? Here is an excerpt:
A note on sources:
Please use discretion when referencing obviously biased or factually questionable material. Vanity websites are generally not as credible as the New York Times, the Washington Post or the UK Guardian and are likely to be locked. A good rule of thumb is to ask yourself is the author readily identifiable and likely to be cited by the mainline world press or encountered in an alternate format (mass-published book, academic journal, newspaper article, radio or TV show).
Sound good?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)In any case, let's hope there is a rigorous investigation of this as called for by the Amnesty report.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)What you will notice, on bad press coming out of Israel, is that some never really engage in the OP or discuss the article.
What they do attempt to do is smother the OP in fake, yet lazy, outrage.
This serves two purposes, IMHO.
1) Deflection from the article and the bad things that the "zionists" are doing in Israel's name.
2) To play the victim as if they are the injured party.
IMHO
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What is the meaning behind that?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am curious to know why you did that. You can PM me if you'd prefer.
King_David
(14,851 posts)But it's pretty clear why....
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Anybody that has been edjumacated can understand that I believe that that the Israeli right wing has corrupted and uses zionism in its name.
Just liker the fundamentalists in the USA have corrupted Jayzuz in their name so has the Likrud party, and their outliers, done the same for zionism...IMHO.
Baruch Goldstein...
Yehuda Glick...
Binyamin Netanbooboo...
Naftali Bennet...
Ayelet Shaked...
Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan...
Same tree apple tree, dave. Same rotten fruit, IMHO.
They speak for Israel, dave. They have corrupted zionism like the GOP in the USA has corrupted Jayzuz.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)By Amnesty International, 24 September 2015, Index number: MDE 15/2529/2015
Evidence obtained by Amnesty International indicates that the killing of Hadeel al-Hashlamoun by Israeli forces in Hebron, in the occupied West Bank, on 22 September 2015 was an extrajudicial execution.
(Excerpt from PDF at link)
Evidence obtained by Amnesty International indicates that the killing of Hadeel al-Hashlamoun by Israeli forces in Hebron, in the occupied West Bank, on 22 September 2015 was an extrajudicial execution.
Israeli soldiers shot and mortally wounded 18-year-old Hadeel al-Hashlamoun after they stopped her at a checkpoint in the Old City in Hebron. Pictures of the stand-off that led to her death and accounts by eyewitnesses interviewed by Amnesty International show that she at no time posed a sufficient threat to the soldiers to make their use of deliberate lethal force permissible. This killing is the latest in a long line of unlawful killings carried out by the Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank with near total impunity.
Israeli soldiers shot al-Hashlamoun at Checkpoint 56, otherwise known as Shoter, a small pedestrian crossing that restricts Palestinian movement in the vicinity of Hebrons Israeli settlements, which are illegal under international law. Two eyewitnesses with whom Amnesty International spoke separately said that al-Hashlamoun arrived at the checkpoint at around 7.40am, and was stopped by the two soldiers at the checkpoint and ordered to open her bag for a search. She was standing still, around three metres from the soldiers. She opened her bag and showed it to the soldiers, who began to shout at her, at which point she froze, according to the eyewitnesses.
One of the eyewitnesses, Fawaz Abu Aisheh, 34, told Amnesty International that the Israeli soldiers were instructing al-Hashlamoun to go back in Hebrew, a language she seemed not to understand. Abu Aisheh attempted to mediate between al-Hashlamoun and the soldiers, as he spoke Hebrew, but the soldiers ignored his attempts, and fired a shot towards the ground near al-Hashlamouns feet. A series of photos taken by an activist who was monitoring the checkpoint that morning show al-Hashlamoun between two soldiers who seem to be nervous and pointing their guns at her. The photos also show Abu Aisheh as he attempted to assist the girl to leave the checkpoint by moving a red plastic barrier. Another eyewitness also said that al-Hashlamoun had tried to leave the checkpoint.
Four more soldiers arrived at the checkpoint and pointed their guns at Abu Aisheh and al-Hashlamoun, and one of the soldiers then moved to cut off al-Hashlamouns route out of the checkpoint enclosure. When he was standing half a metre away from her, he fired a shot at the ground and she moved away and stood behind a metal rail next to a wall.
According to Abu Aisheh, al-Hashlamoun had her hands inside her niqab (full-face veil) throughout this entire period and at no point tried to approach any of the soldiers. The four soldiers who had just arrived pushed Abu Aisheh 3-4 metres back and refused his offer of translation. At this point, according to Abu Aisheh, the girl was behind metal rails separating her from the soldiers and the same soldier who had fired the first shots moved back, dropped to one knee, and shot al-Hashlamoun in her left leg. According to Abu Aisheh, she fell to the ground and dropped her bag, as well as a knife with a brown handle that she had been holding under her niqab. The first witness, who was slightly farther away than Abu Aisheh, did not see any weapon.
According to Abu Aisheh, the soldier who had shot first got up and moved closer to her, until he was about a metre away, and then shot at her upper body four or five times again while she was lying motionless on the ground. He said that the soldier shot a few times despite other soldiers yelling at him to stop. The first witness also described the soldier moving closer to al-Hashlamoun and shooting her in the chest.
Read more: https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/MDE1525292015ENGLISH.pdf