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The current wave of terror is characterized by a unique phenomenon: While strong elements and forces are fanning the flames of the wave of stabbings, powerful restraining elements are preventing an escalation.
This is a strange phenomenon, as the elements which are inciting and pushing the stabbers and drivers to the streets are the mostly the same ones who are working intensively, and quite sophisticatedly, to prevent an escalation. This absurd dichotomy has prevented the wave of terror from turning into a real intifada.
Another phenomenon we should pay attention to, which also involves a mirror image, is the panic on the Israeli street and the fact that it serves as the rewarding factor for the stabbers and drivers in vehicular attacks, and pushes more Palestinians to try to imitate their success.
Facebook and Twitter and Instagram, which turn the stabbers into national-religious heroes and celebrities, are another reward jihadists never expected in the past. Today's stabber - whether killed or wounded or even one who escapes unharmed - becomes an instant hero, and that encourages other angry young people to go out on the streets and look for a soldiers, settlers or any other Jew in order to take their anger out on them and become not just "shahidim" (martyr), but social heroes too.
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shira
(30,109 posts)Hamas is also making sure that the "rebel" organizations don't fire rockets. Sometimes, a rocket slips under the Hamas gunmen's radar, but with the help of the Islamic Jihad and other organizations it is ensuring that there is no escalation in the street violence. On the other hand, Hamas is inciting to major violence in the West Bank, where it wants a full-scale intifada, and if possible an armed intifada.
Hmm, so what's going on here?
Read on...
shira
(30,109 posts)[font color = "blue"]“The international community does not accept buses blowing up in Tel Aviv,” he said. “But when a settler or soldier is stabbed while on occupied land, nobody asks any questions. We must struggle in a way that keeps the world with us.”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/breathing-down-abbass-neck-fatah-leaders-want-israeli-blood/
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shira
(30,109 posts)Nearly half of the Palestinians arrested by Jerusalem Police over the past few months are minors. Some of them are as young as nine.
These children are being sent to throw stones and firebombs, and launch fireworks at policemen and IDF soldiers, as well as at Israeli civilians and vehicles, including buses and the light rail in Jerusalem.
The exploitation of children in the fight against Israel has attracted little attention from the international community and media. Human rights groups and United Nations institutions have chosen to turn a blind eye to these human rights abuses.
Instead of condemning those who exploit the children and dispatch them to confront policemen and soldiers, these groups and institutions are busy denouncing Israel for targeting minors …
This is not the first time that Palestinian groups use children in the struggle against Israel. During the first intifada, which erupted in 1987, children and women were often at the forefront in clashes with Israeli security personnel.
This strategy works out well for Palestinian groups such as Hamas and Fatah. At the end of the day, they can always blame Israel for “deliberately” targeting Palestinian children and women — an allegation that the mainstream media in the West often endorses without asking questions.
Read more: http://www.blog.standforisrael.org/articles/stop-the-childrens-intifada#ixzz3rTP8YHY6
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shira
(30,109 posts)The fascists will never condemn this sick shit & in fact they'll deny it happens & deflect by calling us racists for even bringing it up.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Posting an example of this abuse earned me a hide for being a propagandist.
shira
(30,109 posts)...to do so would be coming out against the Palestinian cause. It's that simple.
It's hard for decent people to take in, but those making excuses for Abbas and all this terror actually support what's going on there. This is the cause in a nutshell. Their cause. The BDS cause. Delegitimizing Israel & making it a pariah? This is it. We're all seeing it unfold. Live. Now.
It's not about the welfare of Palestinians & never has been. No one cares about the Palestinians. Least of all their so-called supporters in BDS who actually loathe Palestinians & support sending children out there to sacrifice themselves.
It's war against the Jewish state.
shira
(30,109 posts)Nearly half of the Palestinians arrested by Jerusalem Police over the past few months are minors. Some of them are as young as nine.
These children are being sent to throw stones and firebombs, and launch fireworks at policemen and IDF soldiers, as well as at Israeli civilians and vehicles, including buses and the light rail in Jerusalem.
The exploitation of children in the fight against Israel has attracted little attention from the international community and media. Human rights groups and United Nations institutions have chosen to turn a blind eye to these human rights abuses.
Instead of condemning those who exploit the children and dispatch them to confront policemen and soldiers, these groups and institutions are busy denouncing Israel for targeting minors …
This is not the first time that Palestinian groups use children in the struggle against Israel. During the first intifada, which erupted in 1987, children and women were often at the forefront in clashes with Israeli security personnel.
This strategy works out well for Palestinian groups such as Hamas and Fatah. At the end of the day, they can always blame Israel for “deliberately” targeting Palestinian children and women — an allegation that the mainstream media in the West often endorses without asking questions.
Moreover, the Palestinian groups know that the children who are being sent to confront Israeli soldiers and policemen will not be held accountable.
Hamas and Fatah had long discovered that children are one of the most effective tools in the fight against Israel — especially because of the damage Israel sustains in the court of international public opinion.
Thus far, it appears that the Palestinian groups have been successful in their effort to depict Israel as a country that deliberately targets Palestinian minors whose only crime is that they “resisted occupation.”
Dressing children in military uniforms and allowing them to carry rifles and pistols during rallies in the West Bank and Gaza Strip is one way of encouraging them to put their lives at risk. But of course Hamas, Fatah and other Palestinian factions do not see anything wrong with this practice.
The adult activists who send and encourage children to take part in violence should be held accountable, not only by Israeli authorities, but also by their own people and international human rights organizations. If these adults want an intifada, they should be the first to go out and confront Israeli policemen and soldiers.
The time has come for the international community and media to pay attention to their disturbing conduct and demand that Palestinian groups stop hiding behind children.
Read more: http://www.blog.standforisrael.org/articles/stop-the-childrens-intifada#ixzz3rTS65FXu
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giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)illegal occupations & land grabs. This bullshit propaganda isn't working with the younger generations & is just disgusting nonsense. Stop taking people's shit & they won't hate you it's really not that difficult.
shira
(30,109 posts)....they're unmoved by facts.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Facts, no.
shira
(30,109 posts)The greatest thing!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=43011
And yeah, it's unfortunately a fact. People living in reality can see that without a problem.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Just looking through the Israeli news for the last day or so, a definite pattern emerges:
IDF Destroys Homes of Four Palestinians Who Killed Three Israelis
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/.premium-1.686093
Arabs, Israelis rally behind Palestinian activist’s arrested son
Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/arabs-israelis-rally-behind-palestinian-activists-arrested-son/
Israeli leaders liken Paris attacks to Palestinian violence
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=768835
111 Palestinians shot, injured during West Bank, Gaza demonstrations
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=768807
Amnesty: Israel/OPT: Investigate apparent extrajudicial execution at Hebron hospital
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/11/israel-opt-investigate-apparent-extrajudicial-execution-at-hebron-hospital/
Deaths as Palestinian protests grip West Bank and Gaza
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/deaths-palestinian-protests-grip-west-bank-gaza-151113124912367.html
I must say that this doesn't look like Israel is trying to calm things down - quite the opposite, in fact...
shira
(30,109 posts)...and posts 1 and 2. Those are actual facts caught on video. It's a shame only the Jewish press covers it while the rest of the western press censors it.
You'll note that nowhere else on earth do an oppressed people call for the massacre of civilians, send children out to kill other kids & elderly people, or use those kids as militants & human shields - all the while being protected & defended by human rights charlatans. There's not one public voice in Gaza or the W.Bank calling for an end to the murder of Jewish innocents. Not one. You know this.
Those are not characteristics of a victim population.
The Irish never went that far, nor do the Basques, Kurds, or Tibetans.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)then Israel would lose its funding today.
You seem to have genuine difficulties finding things that Abbas or the PA are doing that actually count as exacerbating the violence. Perhaps it's simply because this is all Israel's fault, from mismanaging the Palestinian population under occupation in the West Bank and Jerusalem to trying really hard to change the status quo on the Temple Mount, and then just making things worse by clamping down on any form of Palestinian dissent.
shira
(30,109 posts)Far from calling to an end to this latest stabbing Intifada, they're encouraging & praising it.
And no public figures in Palestinian society are condemning it.
Hell - you're not condemning it either. So are you for it? I'm asking seriously, because you don't seem concerned in the least about Hamas and PA leadership encouraging & praising these murders.
shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Abbas has yet to condemn this stabbing intifada. Do you deny that too?
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I'd love to counter it with examples of real incitement from the other side. This OP is spent, so to speak, and I'd prefer something fresher.
shira
(30,109 posts)-Mahmoud Abbas. Sept 16, 2015
He's not just an ordinary run-of-the-mill Jew hater. As PA leader, Abbas is openly inciting the murder of Jews and refusing to condemn it. World leaders from Angela Merkel to Ban Ki Moon and the US Congress have condemned his incitement.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)Summary :
As Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemns Palestinian incitement, he should be careful about far right news sites depicting a false picture of the reality, damaging the already fragile relationship between Jews and Palestinians in Israel.
Author Shlomi Eldar
Posted November 23, 2015
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/11/incitement-far-right-news-sites-hamas-palestinians.html#ixzz3sOAvxb2u
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)"Patriotic" news is a gateway for racism, and it could lead to increased power for racist politicians. I know for a fact that sites like these will reap the reward of an increased acceptance for racist politics. I've seen it happen in Sweden - very gradually, but one day the racists were voted into the Swedish Parliament.