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shira

(30,109 posts)
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:07 AM Nov 2015

WJC President Ronald S. Lauder urges Abbas to condemn double terror attack, curb...incitement

World Jewish Congress President Ronald S. Lauder expressed deep concern Thursday after two people were stabbed to death at a Tel Aviv synagogue and three others were killed in a drive-by shooting in Gush Etzion. He urged Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to crack down on the incitement that has sparked the recent wave of terror and to condemn the attacks immediately.

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/wjc-president-ronald-s-lauder-urges-abbas-to-condemn-double-terror-attack-curb-palestinian-incitement-11-4-2015

“Acts of terror against Israeli Jews have become an almost daily news story,” Lauder said. “As in Paris, the world must show that it will not tolerate such violence and hatred. I urge Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to curb the incitement and clearly condemn this terror.”



[font color = "red"]Condemn it? Abbas is the one inciting it:[/font]


[font color = "blue"] “We welcome every drop of blood spilled in Jerusalem. This is pure blood, clean blood, blood on its way to Allah. With the help of Allah, every martyr will be in heaven, and every wounded will get his reward.”[/font]

-Mahmoud Abbas. Sept 16, 2015


Ban Ki Moon on Abbas (Sept 2015):

UN Chief Criticizes Abbas’ Anti-Jewish Incitement, Fears It Will Stoke Tensions in Jerusalem
http://www.thetower.org/2366-un-chief-criticizes-abbas-anti-jewish-incitement-fears-it-will-stoke-tensions-in-jerusalem/

Germany's Angela Merkel (Oct 2015):

Merkel: Abbas can only have peace if he condemns terror
http://www.bicom.org.uk/news-article/27268/

US Congress (Nov 2015):

369 Members of Congress Call on Mahmoud Abbas To Halt 'Incitement'
http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/324240/369-congress-members-call-on-mahmoud-abbas-to-halt-incitement/#ixzz3s8BHQybf

Herzog: Silence Could be Interpreted as Support for Terror

October 20, 2015

Opposition leader MK Yitzhak Herzog on Tuesday evening met with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who is visiting Israel in an attempt to calm tensions.

During the meeting, Herzog told the UN chief that the world cannot be silent in the face of the terrorist attacks against Israelis.

“Silence or moderate reactions of the world could be interpreted as support for terror. It should be made clear to the Palestinians that the road of terrorism leads to a dangerous deadlock,” said Herzog.



#JewishLivesMatter


Abbas admits rejecting Ehud Olmert's peace offer
http://www.thejc.com/news/israel-news/149618/abbas-admits-rejecting-ehud-olmerts-peace-offer

Abbas rejected 2008 peace plan. Those who attribute terrorism to "occupation" are engaging in incitement and should be called out.

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shira

(30,109 posts)
1. 2-year-old sings: "Daddy, buy me a machine gun... I will defeat Israel," says proud Fatah official
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:38 AM
Nov 2015

Nov 20, 2015

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=16222

Abbas' PA controls the state-run media within the territories.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
5. People don't hold Abbas accountable
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:56 AM
Nov 2015

For his own words or anything really. It would contradict the myth that Palestinians are helpless victims only reacting to Israeli horror.

I think the idea is if we pretend he is better than he is, he will not do bad things.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
6. so you're promoting the words of a Republican here
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:31 AM
Nov 2015

As a Republican, he made a bid to become the mayor of New York City in 1989, losing to Rudy Giuliani in the Republican primary. Michael Massing, writing of this nomination race, notes that politically Lauder “seemed out of step with most American Jews; ... he ran to the right of Rudolph Giuliani. And, on Israeli issues, he was a vocal supporter of the Likud party, with long-standing ties to Benjamin Netanyahu."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Lauder

He also served as an ambassador for Ronald Reagan and as a special envoy for Bush2 is a supporter of Likud and has close ties with Netanyahu and Sheldon Adelson

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
7. You appear more upset @ Lauder than Abbas inciting Palestinians to murder Jews.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:16 PM
Nov 2015

Is this just another attempt to derail a thread, deflect....?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
11. His lust for blood
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:06 PM
Nov 2015

Is what gives him e support he has. He'll never denounce violence. Not a MLK or a Gandhi to be found.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
12. no one's asking for mlk or gandhi, just not basically a terrorist.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:01 PM
Nov 2015

it really shouldn't be such a high bar. probably wouldn't be if international funds were contingent on responsible policy

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
13. This is all very nice, but do you have any examples of actual incitement?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:03 AM
Nov 2015

For me, incitement in this case would be that Abbas actually did or said something that was intended to demonize or condone violence against Jews, or perhaps praising hateful acts against Israelis. It doesn't help either that most of these sources are in themselves suspect, like the Israeli Ministry of Foreign affairs, the Tower, the World Jewish Congress, and of course Palestinian
Media Watch. Surely, if all this "incitement" was "obviously" going on, there would be more mainstream outlets reporting it.

I don't know of any actual incitement from Abbas, but I do know that Israeli ministers regularly call for hard measures or outright violence against Palestinians. And when it comes to demonizing the other side, Netanyahu the Hitler apologist wins big time.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
14. “We welcome every drop of blood spilled in Jerusalem. This is pure blood, clean blood, blood on its
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:57 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:03 PM - Edit history (3)

“We welcome every drop of blood spilled in Jerusalem. This is pure blood, clean blood, blood on its way to Allah. With the help of Allah, every martyr will be in heaven, and every wounded will get his reward.”

-Mahmoud Abbas. Sept 16, 2015


Click the link for the video. It's all over the Israeli and Jewish Press.

Doesn't get much clearer than that. Here's the context:

Official PA TV News
Abbas’ statement at a meeting with “activists for the defense of the Noble Sanctuary” (i.e., the Temple Mount)
PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas: “We bless you, we bless the Murabitin (those carrying out Ribat, religious conflict/war to protect land claimed to be Islamic), we bless every drop of blood that has been spilled for Jerusalem, which is clean and pure blood, blood spilled for Allah, Allah willing. Every Martyr (Shahid) will reach Paradise, and everyone wounded will be rewarded by Allah. The Al-Aqsa [Mosque] is ours, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre is ours, and they have no right to defile them with their filthy feet. We will not allow them to, and we will do everything in our power to protect Jerusalem.”


You don't believe PMW, but the NYT covers the same foul speech. Here's the NYT quoting from it:

The fighting on the ground was matched by fighting words at the top, as Israel harshly criticized Mr. Abbas for videotaped remarks he made in Arabic this week in which he appeared to glorify Palestinians who were killed or wounded in the battle for Jerusalem. He said: “Al Aqsa is ours, the Church of the Holy Sepulcher is ours, it is all ours. They have no right to defile them with their filthy feet, and we will not allow them.”

Responding to the video, Dore Gold, the director general of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said Thursday: “Today the world is divided between those trying to undermine religious coexistence and those trying to protect it. By saying that the ‘filthy feet’ of Jewish visitors to the Temple Mount desecrate it, Mahmoud Abbas has now clarified on which side he stands.”

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