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Related: About this forumB’Tselem to PM: Your silence permits street executions
Published:
25 Nov 2015
BTselem sent a letter to Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, demanding a cessation of the use of lethal force against people who either harmed, tried to harm, or were suspected of trying to harm others, once they no longer posed any danger. The letter demanded an end to the horrific string of summary street executions.
In the letter, BTselem Executive Director, Hagai El-Ad, wrote:
Your government permits and encourages the transformation of police officers, and even of armed civilians, into judges and executioners. The disparity between words and actions is a stark one. It has been claimed that there has been no change in open-fire regulations and that security forces are employing reasonable force not exceeding that required to thwart perpetrators. It is ostensibly taken for granted that it is unlawful to shoot an injured person who poses no danger. Yet in practice, full support for the documented instances of unlawful killing reflects a completely different reality and grants it legitimacy. During your term of office, a new pseudo-normative reality has effectively emerged, in which a shoot to kill approach must always be adopted, no matter the circumstances, even when the suspect no longer poses any danger whatsoever. This reality is a direct consequence of inflammatory statements by senior members of your government, who draw support from your silence. The upshot is that there can only be one outcome in cases that combine an individual with Arab appearance and a knife: execution on the street. [
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The day before yesterday a police officer in Jerusalem shot N.'A., a 16-year-old girl from Qalandiya as she lay injured and immobile on the ground. Her 14-year-old cousin, Hadil, was also shot in the same incident even after she had already been hit by gunfire and had fallen to the ground. Hadil was killed. The day before, soldiers shot dead Ashraqat Qatnani, a 16-year-old girl from Nablus, after she had already been injured when hit by a car. In October, Basel Sidr and Fadi Alun were shot dead in Jerusalem; the gunfire did not stop even after they had already been hit and injured. In each of these five cases, even though the individuals involved had already been neutralized, they were shot at again. Of the five, four were killed and one seriously injured. Whether or not these individuals had been attempting to perpetrate attacks is a matter that cannot obscure the harsh reality at hand: these instances constitute public, summary street executions, without law or trial. And there is reason for concern that there are other such cases as well. [
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The death penalty for murder was abolished in Israeli criminal law in 1954, over 60 years ago. And never was a death sentence a possible penalty for attempted murder or grievous assault. Regardless, even if the death penalty were on the books in Israeli law, the decision to impose it would rest with the courts. [
] Remaining silent when security forces operate outside the boundaries of the law cannot absolve one of responsibility. You will not be able to claim that your ears did not hear of this or that your mouth did not command it. Your protracted silence in the face of such events, while at the same time speaking in general commendation of the work of the security forces, make it all too clear what policy you advocate and support. Your silence in the face of Minister of Public Security Gilad Erdans saying that every terrorist should know that he will not survive the attack he is about to perpetrate is tantamount to consent to this unlawful policy. Your silence following the implementation of this policy constitutes retroactive support. [
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The wave of attacks against Israelis is appalling. Security forces must protect the public. They must use the force necessary under the circumstances to achieve this goal. However, police officers and soldiers must not act as judges and executioners. The person who actually pulls the trigger bears responsibility for his or her actions, but the prevailing spirit is determined by the commander. As prime minister, you bear ultimate responsibility.
http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20151115_letter_to_pm_on_extrajudicial_killings
6chars
(3,967 posts)Who is the real audience for this "letter"?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Bibi can read English too.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Basically, it admits that Israeli law - as in any civilized country - does not allow extrajudicial executions, but does allow for the fact that security forces on the ground must make some judgments about the danger of a situation. The unfortunate fact is, if you are a terrorist attacking innocent people with a weapon, you are obviously taking a risk that the security forces will see you as a threat even after you no longer see yourself as a threat. Given that you (not you Jefferson, just the hypothetical person in my prose) choose to be a person who is willing to die in order to kill innocents, security forces will have to take that into account in determining at what point you are no longer a threat. The fact that in the cases where the security forces deemed the threat to be ended they have arrested the terrorist assailants when they could have certainly killed them speaks volumes.
B'stelem just wants to say "Israel engages in extra-judicial executions" because they like to say things like that. It sounds a lot more persuasive in their effort to delegitimize Israel than saying "Security forces use their judgment to ensure that terrorist assailants cannot do more harm."
Israeli
(4,151 posts)blah blah blah ,
6chars
(3,967 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Israel..B'tselem just points it out.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Making real time judgments about the momentary intentions and capabilities of crazed murderers is a tricky business. The downside of underestimating the threat is that these terrorist will continue in their killing spree. Security forces are right to ensure that they are fully subdued. I am sure that all of the people saying the terrorists should be given the benefit of the doubt are truly weeping for Israel.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Being shot dead on the spot.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330254/Two-teenage-Palestinian-girls-shot-stabbing-Jewish-man-SCISSORS-Jerusalem-market.html
Two teenage Palestinian girls shot after stabbing elderly man with SCISSORS in a Jerusalem market
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)they rail against. It's not that complicated.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Terrorists are not.
It's not that complicated.
Although I can understand why some folks are primarily concerned that the streets are safe for terrorists.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)There's not much you do understand.
6chars
(3,967 posts)B'tselem makes unsubstantiated accusations. In order to make Israel be more cautious with terrorists. In order to allow terrorists to kill more people. In order to pressure Israel to ... surrender? Not sure what the last piece they have in mind is.
Edited - I know what the last pieces is. For B'tselem to get foreign government money and to feel morally superior.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)for the most part by the Israeli government.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)It's a translation .
Here it is in Hebrew :
http://www.btselem.org/download/20151125_letter_to_pm_on_extrajudicial_killings_heb.pdf
Happy now ?????????
shira
(30,109 posts)No more than trusting anyone advocating the destruction of the French, Italian, or German state.
Worse, these con artists run interference for genocidal terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.
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shira
(30,109 posts)Which kinda gives the game away....
shira
(30,109 posts)Hence, its English reports.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Rabbi Ascherman explains in the interview that unlike administrative home demolitions, he would grit his teeth and support this form of collective punishment if he thought it would save human life and that there wasnt a less harmful way of achieving the same goal. However, he is not convinced that there is any new evidence contradicting the 2005 army study that that found that these demolitions actually increase terror because of the hate and anger they engender. Rather, he suspects that politicians feel that they need to prove that they are doing something.
http://rhr.org.il/eng/2015/11/watch-rabbi-ascherman-on-israeli-tv-on-punitive-home-demolitions/