Long-Hidden Details Reveal Cruelty of 1972 Munich Attackers

[leftynyc]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/sports/long-hidden-details-reveal-cruelty-of-1972-munich-attackers.html?_r=1

The treatment of the hostages has long been a subject of speculation, but a more vivid — and disturbing — account of the attack is emerging. For the first time, Ms. Romano, Ms. Spitzer and other victims’ family members are choosing to speak openly about documentation previously unknown to the public in an effort to get their loved ones the recognition they believe is deserved.

Among the most jarring details are these: The Israeli Olympic team members were beaten and, in at least one case, castrated.

“What they did is that they cut off his genitals through his underwear and abused him,” Ms. Romano said of her husband, Yossef. Her voice rose.

“Can you imagine the nine others sitting around tied up?” she continued, speaking in Hebrew through a translator. “They watched this.”



What on earth were these barbarians hoping to accomplish?

[COLGATE4]

1. Must have been done by extraterrestial aliens, since we all

know that the gentle, peace-loving Palestinians would never do such a horrible thing.

[Nitram]

4. Toothpaste, no need to tar all Palestinians with the blood shed at Munich.

The Japanese and German Red Army militants committed similar atrocities during that period. Do they reflect on all Japanese and all Germans?

[ericson00]

36. they should be tarred for such savagery

castration against ANYONE, is pure evil, especially when its done by genocidal terrorists like Palestinian groups, which Palestinians support and praise at Allah's "Shahids".

[Nitram]

37. So machine-gunning scores of innocent by-standers at random is not pure evil?

I get it. You have a particular hatred of Palestinians. The way many Palestinians have a particular hatred of Israelis. After the things they've don to each other over the years, it is not surprising. Building illegal Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory sure isn't helping anything, is it? It only guarantees more strife.

[King_David]

2. Calling those terrorists "Barbarians"

Is suger coating their depravity.... They were far worse than barbarians.

[leftynyc]

3. I'll never understand

Terrorism has NEVER worked in getting the terrorists what they say they want. NEVER.

[gladium et scutum]

5. Terroris is the weapon of the impotent

they lack the strength to affect the changes in the world as the see it. The resort to bombings, shooting, hijackings, but these actions do not change things for them. So they continue on that path until the target states take serious, dedicated action to eradicate them.

[oberliner]

6. That's definitely not true

Kind of a disgusting post that appears to be excusing acts of terrorism.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Stern gang, ober.

Some people's terrorists are others Santa Clause.

[shira]

10. Do the decent thing & don't deflect. Show your disgust with the Munich terrorists. n/t

[gladium et scutum]

8. In no way are acts of Terrorism

excused. Terrorism exists because those that want change, as they see it, an do not have the power to effect that change. That in no way excuses or approves of their actions. Those that commit those types acts should and must be held accountable in jurisdictions
where the acts of terrorism were committed.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. Why not quiz Ober and Shira on the Stern gang.

Ask them about their plea to Hitler that they would join the Nazis to fight against the British.

Pre-Israel's terrorists were not only as bad as the PLO in some ways, but they also seemed to be exceedingly dumb in other areas.

[shira]

9. The Olympic committee refused to honor the Israeli athletes in 2012....

40 years later.

They said they'd do it if only the Palestinian terrorists killed at Munich were memorialized alongside their Jewish victims.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. IOC to commemorate Munich massacre victims

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4632204,00.html

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) decided Sunday to establish a special area in the Olympic Village in Rio to commemorate the memory of the 11 Israeli athletes killed by terrorists at the 1972 Munich Olympics, In addition, a "moment of reflection" in honor of the victims will be held during the closing ceremony.

International Olympic Committee President Thomas Bach said following the decision that the IOC will "remember all those who have lost their lives at the Olympic Games," citing also Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili, who died in a crash the day before the opening of the 2010 Vancouver Games.

Well?

[branford]

14. From your cited article,

In recent years, the victims' families made great efforts to keep the memories of their loved ones alive in commemorative ceremonies. Ahead of the 2012 London Olympics, a number of campaigns were launched to urge the International Olympic Committee to honor the memory of the eleven slain athletes in one minute of silence at the opening ceremony of the games. While the IOC declined the request, several IOC officials honored the victims at a ceremony initiated by the Israeli embassy and Jewish community in London.

The recognition is still apparently begrudging for many, diluted, and the prior acts and attitudes of the IOC speak volumes.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. "The Olympic committee refused to honor the Israeli athletes in 2012...."

I proved shira wrong...as she usually is.

I have provided evidence that the IOC has honored the Israeli athletes.


No?

[hack89]

19. Rio was not in 2012. nt

[shira]

20. Bob Costas calls out IOC for refusal to declare moment of silence...

NBC’s Bob Costas says he will use the Opening Ceremonies of the London Olympics to “call out” the International Olympic Committee for its refusal to declare a moment of silence to honor Israeli athletes who were murdered at the Munich games 40 years ago.

Costas, who will be the lead announcer for the London Games, told the Hollywood Reporter that the IOC’s refusal to honor a request by Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon is “baffling” and he intends to take a stand during the Opening Ceremonies on July 27.

Said Costas:

“I intend to note that the IOC denied the request. Many people find that denial more than puzzling but insensitive. Here’s a minute of silence right now.”

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-georgia-sports/2012/07/20/costas-to-call-out-ioc-over-munich/

[shira]

23. Obama backs Olympics moment of silence for Israelis killed at Munich games

President Barack Obama strongly supports holding a formal moment of silence at the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games in tribute to 11 Israeli athletes and coaches killed by Palestinian extremists at the 1972 games in Munich, the White House said Thursday.

"We absolutely support the campaign for a moment of silence at the Olympics to honor the Israeli athletes killed in Munich," National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor told Yahoo News by email.

The son of slain Israeli wrestling coach Moni Weinberg, Guri Weinberg, welcomed the news on Twitter. "I'm literally crying right now. Thank you, President Obama," he said.

The International Olympic Committee has rejected the proposal, and said that the victims—killed by extremists of the Palestinian "Black September" group—would be honored at a separate ceremony. In years past, the IOC has said that the Games are no place for what might be seen as a political statement. But supporters of the homage have not given up, and a global campaign has been under way to convince the IOC to reverse its decision. The opening ceremonies begin July 27.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/the-ticket/obama-backs-olympics-moment-silence-israelis-killed-munich-181734859.html

[PeoViejo]

27. "Black September"

was a Christian terrorist group.

[leftynyc]

17. Are you fucking kidding me?

They wanted to memorialize the TERRORISTS?

[Wilms]

21. Let's see if Shira has a link. n/t

[shira]

22. Nope. Nazi sympathists at the helm of the IOC....

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/27/why-ioc-will-never-memorialize-72-munich-massacre.html

In 1996, I, along with other Munich orphans and three of the widows, were invited for the first time to the Olympic Games in Atlanta. Before the Opening Ceremony, we met with Alex Gilady. Gilady has been a member of the IOC's Radio and Television Commission since 1984 and has been the senior vice president of NBC Sports since 1996.

I have known Mr. Gilady since I was a kid; in fact, I grew up with his daughter. He had been supportive in the past regarding our plea for a moment of silence during the Opening Ceremonies, so we arrived with high hopes. Gilady informed us that a moment of silence was not possible because if the IOC had a moment of silence for the Israeli athletes, they would also have to do the same for the Palestinians who died at the Olympics in 1972.

My mother said, "But no Palestinian athletes died."

Gilady responded, "Well, there were Palestinians who died at the 1972 Olympics."

I heard one of the widows say to Gilady, "Are you equating the murder of my husband to the terrorists that killed him?"

Silence.

Then Ilana Romano burst out with a cry that has haunted me to this day. She screamed at Gilady, "How DARE you! You KNOW what they did to my husband! They let him lay there for hours, dying slowly, and then finished him off by castrating him and shoving it in his mouth, ALEX!"

I looked at Gilady's face as he sat there, stone cold with no emotion. This man knew these athletes personally. This man led the Israeli media delegation at the 1972 Olympics and saw this atrocity first hand. This man saw my father's dead, naked body thrown out front of the Olympic Village for all the world to see.

Without a hint of empathy, Gilady excused himself from our meeting.

That's when I understood that the IOC wasn't turning us down because of their resistance to :politics.” Rather, it was due to the specific politics the IOC apparently still embraces. Based on its history of Nazi support, greed and the blood on their own hands for inciting the PLO, they would never support Israeli athletes.

[Wilms]

24. That's a Fox News opinion piece.

And it looks like a reprint of this...

http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=7929811&ct=12068049#.Vl7Wnl6XCSo

Do you have anything else to help substantiate this?

[shira]

25. It's written by the son of Israel's 1972 wrestling coach @ the S.Wiesenthal website.

Works for me.

[Wilms]

26. Yes, I understand it "works for you".

That's not a particularly high bar for a serious discussion.

So you have nothing else?

[shira]

28. It was an open letter challenge against the IOC, demanding a proper response by them....

Written by the son of the Israeli 1972 wrestling coach who was murdered & reprinted at the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

That's an extremely high bar.

[Wilms]

29. For you, apparently.

Son of the Israeli 1972 wrestling coach who was murdered, opinion piece, Fox News, the Simon Wiesenthal Center....

You're 0-4.

So do you mean to tell me there is nothing out there to corroborate this story? That seems odd.

[shira]

30. That conversation was verified...

Weinberg did not reply to an interview request for this article, but Ilana Romano, widow of murdered weightlifter Yossef Romano, was at the Atlanta meeting. She told JTA that Weinberg’s account was accurate, although it was her and another widow, Ankie Spitzer, who walked out and not Gilady.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-alex-gilady-the-villain-in-the-minute-of-silence-defeat/

[Wilms]

31. So Weinberg didn't respond to request for clarification.

Gilady denied it. And another victim's relative says the account is accurate, except where it's claimed Gilady left the room. Hmm.

Weinberg, an actor who is in the cast of the next installment of the hit movie series “Twilight,” alleged that Gilady told him that any memorial for the Israelis would necessitate a similar one for the Palestinian terrorists who died in the attack.

As one of the Munich 11 widows recalled her husband’s torture and murder, Gilady listened “stone cold with no emotion,” then excused himself from the meeting “without a hint of empathy,” Weinberg wrote.

Asked about the article in a telephone interview with JTA, Gilady angrily quoted Rudyard Kipling’s 1895 classic poem “If.”

“If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken,

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools …,” he said.

In denying Weinberg’s story, Gilady said, “The Fox News story was misquoted already 16 years ago.”

Weinberg did not reply to an interview request for this article, but Ilana Romano, widow of murdered weightlifter Yossef Romano, was at the Atlanta meeting. She told JTA that Weinberg’s account was accurate, although it was her and another widow, Ankie Spitzer, who walked out and not Gilady.

[leftynyc]

34. I'd be happy to take

a look at ANY information you have concerning the IOC doing the right thing by honoring those murdered athletes. I do know they were asked - I'd be happy to hear the excuses as to why it wasn't done.

[Wilms]

38. FWIW, Galadi said some about that.

It's in the last link Shira put up.

[leftynyc]

39. I thought you didn't trust

Shira's links.

[Wilms]

41. Pardon me.

I mistook our exchange for a discussion.

[leftynyc]

43. I simply asked you a question

If you think that's an attack, there is nothing more to say. You spent half the thread whining about Shira's links and now want to use them for me.

[Little Tich]

16. It's too bad that this absolutely horrible act was followed by Israeli wrongdoing.

For some idiotic reason, Israel decided to assassinate everyone who was involved in the Munich Massacre. Apparently the Mossad didn't care much about whether the people they killed were actually involved, and some of those killed were innocent. The bumbling Mossad was even caught after offing a completely innocent waiter in Norway.

This was one of the many low points of the Mossad, and it must be remembered that Israel did more harm to innocent people than the Munich terrorists.

[leftynyc]

18. For some idiotic reason?

You can't think of a reason Israel wanted to kill those who massacred the Israelis? No reason at all? Your premise they went after more innocent than guilty is complete bullshit.

[Little Tich]

32. I don't want to derail this thread too much, but...

I suppose you don't know what happened after the Munich Massacre. The problem is that a murder can't justify another murder, which unfortunately makes the Munich Massacre only part of the crimes that were committed, the other part was committed by the Mossad.

I have a few links to some Wikipedia pages on the Munich Massacre, if you wish to dispute the facts:

Munich massacre

The Munich massacre was an attack during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany, on eleven Israeli Olympic team members, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September. Shortly after the crisis began, they demanded 234 prisoners jailed in Israel and the German-held founders of the Red Army Faction (Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof) be released. Black September called the operation "Iqrit and Biram", after two Palestinian Christian villages whose inhabitants were expelled by the Haganah in 1948.

German neo-Nazis gave the attackers logistical assistance. Police officers killed five of the eight Black September members during a failed rescue attempt. They captured the three survivors, whom West Germany later released following a Lufthansa airliner hijacking in October. Mossad responded to the release with Operation "Spring of Youth" and Operation "Wrath of God", tracking down and killing Palestinians suspected of involvement in the massacre and also by killing an innocent Moroccan waiter during the Lillehammer affair.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre


Operation Wrath of God

Operation "Wrath of God" (Hebrew: מבצע זעם האל‎ Mivtza Za'am Ha'el), also known as Operation "Bayonet", was a covert operation directed by the Mossad to assassinate individuals suspected of being involved in the 1972 Munich massacre in which 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team were killed. The targets were members of the Palestinian armed militant group Black September and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) operatives. Authorized by Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir in the autumn of 1972, the operation is believed to have continued for over twenty years.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wrath_of_God


1973 Israeli raid on Lebanon

The 1973 Israeli raid on Lebanon (known as Operation Spring of Youth, part of Operation Wrath of God) took place on the night of April 9 and early morning of April 10, 1973, when Israel Defense Forces special forces units attacked several Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) targets in Beirut and Sidon, Lebanon.

The operation is generally considered to be part of the retaliation for the Munich massacre at the Summer Olympics in 1972.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Israeli_raid_on_Lebanon

Lillehammer affair

The Lillehammer affair was the killing by Mossad agents of Ahmed Bouchiki, a Moroccan waiter and brother of the renowned musician Chico Bouchikhi, in Lillehammer, Norway on July 21, 1973. The Israeli agents had mistaken their target for Ali Hassan Salameh, the chief of operations for Black September. Six of the Mossad team of fifteen were captured and convicted of complicity in the killing by the Norwegian justice system, in a major blow to the intelligence agency's reputation.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

[leftynyc]

33. I know all about Operation Wrath of G-d

And I support it completely. I didn't see anyone else stepping up - not the German's, not the IOC, NOBODY - to get justice. Just letting those athletes die at the hands of terrorists when they were merely athletes was NOT an option. They pulled the tiger's tail, and got what they deserved. The agents that killed that innocent Moroccan were captured and convicted. If only ANYONE had been as conscientious about the athletes. But nobody cared. They still don't.

[Little Tich]

35. As long as you're aware that some people don't appreciate what the Mossad did,

you're entitled to your own opinion.

[leftynyc]

40. Yes - I'm sure the terrorists

who got what was coming to them really didn't appreciate it. I'm sure they thought they would get away with it since everybody BUT the Israeli's turned a blind eye.

[Wilms]

42. Actually, one terrorists got what they deserved.

The operation seems widely regarded as a failure, netting one guilty party and the rest believed to be innocent.

Right there in Shira's links and wiki.

[leftynyc]

44. Not so

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wrath_of_God

Looks like plenty got what was coming to them.

[Wilms]

45. When I click your link, I find this:

In his 2005 book Striking Back, author Aaron Klein – who says he based his book in large part on rare interviews with key Mossad officers involved in the reprisal missions – contends that Mossad got only one man directly connected to the massacre. The man, Atef Bseiso, was killed in Paris in 1992. Klein goes on to say that the intelligence on Wael Zwaiter, the first Palestinian to die, was "uncorroborated and improperly cross-referenced. Looking back, his assassination was a mistake." He elaborates, stating that the real planners and executors of Munich had gone into hiding along with bodyguards in the Eastern Bloc and Arab world, where Israel could not reach them. Most of those killed were minor Palestinian figures who happened to be wandering unprotected around Western Europe. "Israeli security officials claimed these dead men were responsible for Munich; PLO pronouncements made them out to be important figures; and so the image of Mossad as capable of delivering death at will grew and grew." The operation functioned not just to punish the perpetrators of Munich but also to disrupt and deter future terrorist acts, writes Klein. "For the second goal, one dead PLO operative was as good as another." Klein quotes a senior intelligence source: "Our blood was boiling. When there was information implicating someone, we didn't inspect it with a magnifying glass."[40]

[leftynyc]

46. That was one book

The rest of that link says otherwise. That's what wikipedia is all about - gathering ALL the information available. Leave it to DU to take one paragraph and one source as the gospel.

[Wilms]

47. The link says otherwise?

Seems the link lists those who were killed, about a dozen of them. But it doesn't show they were connected to Munich. Further, OWoG was intended to kill those other than the Munich perps.

It's right there in wiki.