Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumIf Joseph and Mary tried to reach Bethlehem today, they might get murdered by Palestinian terrorists
Mehdi Hasan, political director of the Huffington Post, UK, has a post up entitled, If Mary and Joseph Tried to Reach Bethlehem Today, They Would Get Stuck at an Israeli Checkpoint.
Well, since Joseph and Mary were Judeans, i.e., Jews, from Nazareth, they wouldnt need to be afraid of Israeli roadblocks needed to combat Palestinian terrorism, but of being murdered by terrorists from Hamas or Fatah.
Seriously, this sort of historical revisionism, treating ancient Jewish Judeans as if they were Palestinian Arabs, and then analogizing modern Israel to the oppressors of Jesus and his family, a common trope in the UK, would be laughable if it were not so pernicious. Pernicious not simply because its a ridiculous distortion of history, and not simply because its often accompanied by a large dose of anti-Semitism, with Palestinians playing the role of Jesus and the Israelis being the foreign oppressors crucifying him. But pernicious because it goes to the true heart of the Arab-Israeli conflictthe failure of the Arab side to recognize that the Zionists are not the European settler-colonialists of Third Worldist imagination, but a people with a three thousand year plus tie to the Land of Israel, whose religion was born there, who ruled two separate kingdoms there, who have prayed toward Jerusalem for two thousand years in their ancient Hebrew language, and so on.
Such denial, coming frequently from even moderate Palestinian Authority officials, that there was ever a Jewish kingdom or temple in Jerusalem, or that the Jews otherwise are natives to the area, means that the Arab side cant see any potential peace agreement as a historic reconciliation between two peoples with strong claims to the land, but as at best a humiliating capitulation to foreign occupation that would have to eventually be reversed. Until that mindset changes, there wont be long-term peace, regardless of paper agreements, and regardless of their termseven a radical one-state solution with an Arab majority wouldnt work if that majority thought it was being forced to cohabitate with foreign colonialist interlopers. Writers like Hasan are quite simply the enemies of peace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/22/if-joseph-and-mary-tried-to-reach-bethlehem-today-they-might-get-murdered-by-palestinian-terrorists/?tid=ss_fb-bottom
atreides1
(16,087 posts)Of course there's always the chance the manger would be burned down by Jewish extremists!
Wilms
(26,795 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Thank you, Usul.
JonathanRackham
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Royalty ?
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King_David
(14,851 posts)One of the first closeted lgbt Jews , I believe Jonathan was very cute.
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grossproffit
(5,591 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Mary would give birth at a checkpoint and who knows how the story would go from there
aranthus
(3,385 posts)of the utterly intellectually dishonest and bankrupt depths to which the anti-Israel crowd will sink.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Mosby
(16,334 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)aranthus
(3,385 posts)Mosby
(16,334 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but everyones entitled to an opinion
Mosby
(16,334 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:42 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7476040I guess you hosts don't give a shit about the SoP when it suits your agenda, huh?
Obviously your comments in this thread make it clear that the painting is about the Palestinians-Arab/Israeli conflict. So what gives?
Eta you and libodem both reced the gd post featuring the painting even though you must know it violates the SoP.
Wow.
King_David
(14,851 posts)It's an extremist right wing classic or a Ramadan special in the surrounding countries.
A "Jews killed Christ" type theme....
shira
(30,109 posts)The anti-Israel cause today, in a nutshell.
King_David
(14,851 posts)In 2015....
An authority on the area you definitely are not ....not even the basics.
Clueless !
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Yet you consider yourself to know something about the area?
LOL
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Pretty clueless.
Maybe you should go there sometime before professing to be an expert.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)There is this land.
The rulers have a heavy military presence in the streets. Some of the citizens are okay with the military presence, some are not. Some civilians fight against the soldiers with terror-attacks on them.
A pregnant couple with little money tries to make its way through that land to reach a certain town.
How does the situation in the country affect the travel of the couple?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)The census/tax thing never happened.