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Mosby

(16,319 posts)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:13 PM Feb 2016

Palestinians dismayed by UK plan to stop local councils boycotting Israeli settlements

Palestinian leaders have attacked the British government's new policy to prevent local councils from boycotting Israeli settlements, accusing the UK of "defending Israel’s occupation" of the Palestinian territories.

The policy prevents local councils, NHS trusts and other public bodies from initiating their own boycotts, for example refusing to buy products made in Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.

The government argues that such boycotts can "fuel anti-semitism" and amount to local bodies formulating their own "damaging and counter-productive" foreign policies.

The announcement was welcomed by Israel but met with outrage by the Palestinians, who see boycotts as a tool for putting international pressure on Israel to end its 48-year occupation.

“This policy puts the UK in the position of defending Israel’s occupation, expansion, racism and colonialism,” said Husam Zomlot, ambassador-at-large for the Palestinian leadership.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/12159870/Palestinians-dismayed-by-UK-plan-to-stop-local-councils-boycotting-Israeli-settlements.html

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Palestinians dismayed by UK plan to stop local councils boycotting Israeli settlements (Original Post) Mosby Feb 2016 OP
I got an email from the PSC about it this morning. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #1
This will be fought regardless of what happens, and loopholes will be exploited to the full. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #2
lol 6chars Feb 2016 #3
there is no perspective when it comes to Israel and the Arabs Mosby Feb 2016 #4
They're illegal. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #5
what is worse - building an apartment unit or stabbing someone to death 6chars Feb 2016 #6
Killing over 300 children during operation Cast Lead Bad Dog Feb 2016 #7
"our" soldiers? grossproffit Feb 2016 #8
Yes our soldiers. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #9
1947 ? King_David Feb 2016 #10
Only if it involves... grossproffit Feb 2016 #11
Leave it out. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #13
Indigenous population? branford Feb 2016 #16
That's absolute nonsense. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #19
What you lot did? grossproffit Feb 2016 #25
Americans. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #30
This is a thread about a decision by the UK government. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #12
No your post was some crap about history past involving Jews King_David Feb 2016 #14
I was talking about Israelis. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #21
Except in 1947 leftynyc Feb 2016 #23
There were plenty of people about in 1947 who described themselves as Israeli. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #29
I could say I'm from Atlantis leftynyc Feb 2016 #33
You're sounding desperate now. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #39
I hate hypocrisy leftynyc Feb 2016 #42
1947? leftynyc Feb 2016 #22
We were at war with those countries. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #27
So just Jews get your ire leftynyc Feb 2016 #28
I've said why, and you're trying to turn it into something else. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #31
I love the United Kingdom leftynyc Feb 2016 #32
My stance has been consistent throughout. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #38
On the contrary leftynyc Feb 2016 #41
There was no Israel in 1947 oberliner Feb 2016 #35
Minor detail, King_David Feb 2016 #37
So the Israeli pilot fighting in the battle of Britain couldn't have been Israeli. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #40
Exactly Bad Dog...... Israeli Feb 2016 #18
Thank you. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #20
You are welcome. Israeli Feb 2016 #34
If it wasn't for the sterling effort of people like you, a lot of this would go unreported. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #43
I dont feel lonely at all Bad Dog...... Israeli Feb 2016 #45
That's good to know. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #47
I wouldn't hold out much hope for your next generation Mosby Feb 2016 #49
Someone's got an axe to grind. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #50
dont really care Mosby Feb 2016 #51
I'm not surprised. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #52
"I am a member of Gush Shalom" King_David Feb 2016 #44
British satire versus ours KD .... Israeli Feb 2016 #46
I'll take British humor over American slapstick 9 times out of 10 King_David Feb 2016 #48
Goodness really ?? Israeli Feb 2016 #17
The supporters of racism can't win this one. Little Tich Feb 2016 #15
The only supporters of racism are those who share the same goals as Hamas fascists. n/t shira Feb 2016 #53
well how dare they be outraged whatever do they have to be outraged about? azurnoir Feb 2016 #24
Yep... deathrind Feb 2016 #26
Why Palestinians act the way they do? oberliner Feb 2016 #36

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
1. I got an email from the PSC about it this morning.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

It's anti democratic, we vote for councillors who do not support this state. Local democracy should be respected. I've added my voice to the protest.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
2. This will be fought regardless of what happens, and loopholes will be exploited to the full.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

From the PSC website.

The government has published guidance (17 February, 2016) for councils and other public bodies on boycotts and procurements. The guidance aims to prevent what the government has called “inappropriate procurement boycotts by public authorities”. Commenting on the publication of the Procurement Policy Note, Hugh Lanning, Chair of Palestine Solidarity Campaign, said: “It is significant that the government chose to publish the Procurement Policy Note during a visit to Israel by Cabinet Office Minister, Matthew Hancock. This is clearly an attempt to silence the movement for Palestinian rights. In a bid to protect Israel from boycotts, the government is trying to intimidate councils and other public bodies which wish to make ethical procurement and investment decisions. This flies in the face of democracy. “However, the guidance itself is not particularly coherent and there are still opportunities for councils to divest from companies whose business violates Palestinian human rights. The Note states that the new guidance is consistent with existing FCO guidelines on doing business with companies active in the settlements. “These existing guidelines warn against such business, citing legal and economic risk and the risk of reputational damage. The advice itself also notes that it is possible to take ‘social and environmental factors’ into account – which means that there is still the possibility for companies with involvement in wider human rights abuses to be excluded from contracts.” Hugh Lanning added: “This undemocratic move by the government will not deter supporters of international law and human rights from campaigning for the end of Israeli occupation. Freedom and self-determination for the Palestinian people is long overdue, and we urge everyone to exercise ethical choices in favour of the Palestinians and their rights under international law.”


http://www.palestinecampaign.org/12975-2/

6chars

(3,967 posts)
3. lol
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

just to keep it in perspective, israel settlement regions are about 100 square miles. About half the size of Hibbing, Minnesota (Bob Dylan's hometown!)

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
4. there is no perspective when it comes to Israel and the Arabs
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:44 PM
Feb 2016

The IP conflict is easily the most over-reported and over-analyzed in the world.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
5. They're illegal.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:15 PM
Feb 2016

End of. And they're expanding, forcing the Palestinians out of their homes, and using up the resources. When you include the settler infrastructure roads, checkpoints etc. that eats up more space. The goal is to create facts of the ground that would make a Palestinian state an impossibility.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
6. what is worse - building an apartment unit or stabbing someone to death
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

time for the Palestinians to embrace peace and prosperity

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
7. Killing over 300 children during operation Cast Lead
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:32 PM
Feb 2016

You can add kidnapping, torturing and murdering our soldiers to that list.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
9. Yes our soldiers.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:31 PM
Feb 2016

This article is about a UK move to stop our councils boycotting Israeli products. It's not about American politics. As an Englishman I replied accordingly. Israeli terrorists kidnapped, tortured and murdered our soldiers.

July 25, 1947 The Sergeants affair: When death sentences were passed on two Irgun members, the Irgun kidnapped Sgt. Clifford Martin and Sgt. Mervyn Paice and threatened to kill them in retaliation if the sentences were carried out. When the threat was ignored, the hostages were killed. Afterwards, their bodies were taken to an orange grove and left hanging by the neck from trees. An improvised explosive device was set. This went off when one of the bodies was cut down, seriously wounding a British officer.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

King_David

(14,851 posts)
10. 1947 ?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

The chutzpah you have , want to talk about the atrocities of the British Empire ?

Shame on the British!!!!!

Shame shame shame

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
13. Leave it out.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:48 PM
Feb 2016

If the South Africans could have played that card Nelson Mandela would have died on Robben Island. You've got white settlers displacing the indigenous population and subjecting them to incredible brutality. It's no different from what went on in South Africa, or what you lot did to your indigenous population.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
16. Indigenous population?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 01:13 AM
Feb 2016

Jews have always lived in the Levant, and the ones that left were often fleeing for their lives. I also hope you realize than many Israelis and Jews are just as "non-white" as the alleged indigenous population. Google "Mizrahi Jews" and "Sephardi Jews."

Opposing current Israeli politics is one thing, and Israeli themselves have a range of political opinions just like any democracy. but effectively erasing Jewish history and culture over thousands of years under the guise or excuse of some lazy undergraduate-level "evil white imperialism" narrative is just plain ridiculous, if not actually promoting openly antisemitic tropes.


Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
19. That's absolute nonsense.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:46 AM
Feb 2016

I don't have any claim to parts of Denmark because some of my ancestors were Vikings, or part of Ireland, or lots of other places for that matter. There was relative harmony between the indigenous Arabs and Jews prior to the arrival of European/American Zionists.

They're white settlers, they look just like any other white people. They're all recent arrivals from Europe or America. They're not like the Sephardic indigenous population.

I'm not the one promoting lazy tropes. The laziest and most convenient one is to dismiss all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic. That means you don't have to deal with the reality of the occupation.

It's quite possible to be motivated by the suffering of one's fellow man, and the Palestinians have suffered tremendously.

Until Israel ends the occupation and the siege on Gaza I will continue with the boycott.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
30. Americans.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:04 AM
Feb 2016

You do realise the country you're living in was once home to the Native American, and successive European settlers took it away from them.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
12. This is a thread about a decision by the UK government.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:44 PM
Feb 2016

Relatives of the victims of Israeli terror are still about today. The occupation is ongoing and it's brutal. Our councillors should not have to do business with such a regime.

The decision by the Tory government is undemocratic. I observe the boycott just as I observed the boycott against apartheid South Africa.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
14. No your post was some crap about history past involving Jews
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:07 PM
Feb 2016

and the evil British empire.

Same kind of crap brought up about Jews and the USS Liberty , we in 2016 now....

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
21. I was talking about Israelis.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:01 AM
Feb 2016

You were the one who mentioned Jews. And you did it so you could turn this into an argument about anti-Semitism, not the abuse of human rights.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. Except in 1947
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:00 AM
Feb 2016

Israel didn't even exist. And YOU are the one who brought up 1947, nobody else.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
29. There were plenty of people about in 1947 who described themselves as Israeli.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:02 AM
Feb 2016

A lot of them were decent people, but there was the Irgun and Lehi who most definitely were not. It's not as if mainstream Israel distanced itself from these terrorists. Yitzhak Shamir, a leading light in Lehi, went on to become prime minister.

Shamir's legacy lives on in in Netanyahu. The Lehi even tried to ally themselves with Nazi Germany during WW2, admittedly before the full extent of the Holocaust was realised, but long after Kristallnacht. Maybe that would explain why Netanyahu is so keen to whitewash the role of the Nazis and falsely try to pin the blame on the Palestinians.

Late in 1940, Lehi, having identified a common interest between the intentions of the new German order and Jewish national aspirations, proposed forming an alliance in World War II with Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in transferring the Jews of Europe to Palestine, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandatory Palestine. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik went to Beirut to meet German official Werner Otto von Hentig (who also was involved with the Haavara or Transfer Agreement, which had been transferring German Jews and their funds to Palestine since 1933). Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations.[citation needed]

The organization offered cooperation in the following terms. Lehi would support sabotage and espionage operations in the Middle East and in eastern Europe anywhere where they had cells. Germany would recognize an independent Jewish state in Palestine/Eretz Israel, and all Jews leaving their homes in Europe, by their own will or because of government injunctions, could enter Palestine with no restriction of numbers.

Stern also proposed recruiting some 40,000 Jews from occupied Europe to invade Palestine with German support to oust the British. On 11 January 1941, Vice Admiral Ralf von der Marwitz, the German Naval attaché in Turkey, filed a report (the "Ankara document&quot conveying an offer by Lehi to "actively take part in the war on Germany's side" in return for German support for "the establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has attracted a storm of criticism for an incendiary speech in which he accused the second world war Palestinian grand mufti of Jerusalem of having suggested the genocide of the Jews to Adolf Hitler.


The comments in a speech to the World Zionist Congress in Jerusalem came in the context of the current violence between Israelis and Palestinians and were condemned by historians and the Israeli opposition leader, Isaac Herzog, for trivialising the Holocaust.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/21/netanyahu-under-fire-for-palestinian-grand-mufti-holocaust-claim
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
33. I could say I'm from Atlantis
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

That doesn't make Atlantis a country. Sorry, but I have zero problem with what happened with the British. They threw their lot in with the killers of Jews and stood by while many Jews were attacked and killed. Interesting that you tag Israel with every person from the past but seem to have nothing to say about Arafat and his legacy as leader of the Palestinians - the one who promised them the moon and took everything so his wife could live in luxury in Paris while he pretended he gave a shit about his people - very interesting indeed that you have nothing to say about the past when it comes to the killers of Jews and even their own (pathetically predictable for the Pro-P folks but interesting nonetheless). And I consider the Guardian the way some here view the Jerusalem Post - hopelessly biased and worthless when it comes to I/P.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
39. You're sounding desperate now.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:29 AM
Feb 2016

You might just as well argue that George Washington wasn't American. At the end of the film The Battle Of Britain there's a list of the nationalities of people who fought on our side. I don't remember the Israeli embassy expressing outrage at the Israeli pilot being named, which according to you they should have as there were no Israelis at that date.

I've heard all this nonsense before, no source is acceptable unless it's right wing and pro Israeli. It's very simple, Israel is the occupier, only the occupier can stop the occupation. Netanyahu is not interested in peace he's interested in creating facts on the ground by increasing illegal settlements. My sympathy lies with the oppressed, and the Palestinians are the oppressed, and the dead Palestinians vastly outnumber the dead Israelis. And you've not condemned the killing of 300+ Palestinian children by the IDF during operation Cast Lead for that matter.

You claim not to be worried about the boycott, but it clearly irks you otherwise you wouldn't be on this thread. The Tories may be able to try to stop local government from doing it, but they can't stop the people. And the PSC is growing. There's been a significant drop in Israeli produce available recently. I used to have to very diligent to avoid buying Israeli peppers or avocados, now it's been at least two years since I've seen any. There's no point in selling fresh produce that will just rot on the shelves. There was an Israeli cosmetics who had a stall firm in the big shopping centre in Southampton, Westquay. That's gone, actually I had a hand in that, I wrote to the PSC and it was gone a few months later.

You're on the wrong side of history in this. And I'm sick and tired of your fatuous arguments, I've heard them all before, and I'm not wasting any more time going round in circles. You're on ignore.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
42. I hate hypocrisy
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:50 AM
Feb 2016

And you and your fellow bds supporters are hypocrites. Sick of my arguments? Too fucking bad. I'll stick your face in your hypocrisy every chance I get. And while you're feeling oh so righteous, all you're doing is putting your stamp of approval on the Palestinian violence and condemning them to further misery. Well done.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. 1947?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:58 AM
Feb 2016

That's a pathetic argument. Are Germany, Italy and Japan still on your shit lists also since they killed FAR more soldiers than a country that didn't even exist in 1947?

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
27. We were at war with those countries.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:50 AM
Feb 2016

The mandate was about trying to keep the peace between two warring factions, and our lads were treated disgracefully.

The Promise is a brilliant Channel 4 drama about what happened. And no I don't have any "shit list" as you put it. I support Palestinian self determination. I only brought up the mandate in response to a post about Palestinian stabbings. Some people can be so quick to forget that Israel was born of terror. Google the King David hotel bombings to see the full extent of what that entailed.

I will stop the boycott once the occupation of the West Bank and the siege of Gaza ends. Not before.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
28. So just Jews get your ire
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:56 AM
Feb 2016

I say Jews because you're still pissed at something that was NOT done by Israelis as Israel didn't even exist at the time. I don't give a shit what you boycott - just make sure any of your electronic toys or medicine you take wasn't invented by those evil Israelis - we wouldn't want you to get the cooties.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
31. I've said why, and you're trying to turn it into something else.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:06 AM
Feb 2016

Maybe if you're so pissed off with the British you should boycott our inventions, starting with the World Wide Web.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
32. I love the United Kingdom
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:10 AM
Feb 2016

They've been loyal allies of our for many, many years. London is one of my favorite cities to visit. I don't get hung up on bullshit from over 60 years ago or I'd REALLY hate the Germans today for killing over 80 people in my family alone during WWII. Like I said, boycott whatever the fuck you want, I couldn't possibly care less - just don't be a hypocrite about it and make sure any medicines you take weren't invented by those evil Israelis.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
38. My stance has been consistent throughout.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:04 AM
Feb 2016

I'm for human rights. You're trying to turn it into something else because you can't defend the occupation. You've gone all round the houses and are starting to look a bit silly.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
41. On the contrary
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:45 AM
Feb 2016

Your dislike for THIS occupation shows what a hypocrite you are. Do you boycott China? How about Grear Britain? Silly and hypocritical seems to be in the eyes of the beholder. Especially if you wouldn't turn down lifesaving treatment or medicine from the evil Israelis.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
37. Minor detail,
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:18 PM
Feb 2016

I'm pretty sure we will hear about the USS Liberty next....

If someone's talking about Jewish terrorists from 1947 in response to a UK 2016 parliamentary law ... That can't be a topic far behind....

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
20. Thank you.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:49 AM
Feb 2016

And there are some wonderful people in Israel trying to do the right thing. I have nothing but admiration for B'T'selem and Haaretz.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
34. You are welcome.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

I am a member of Gush Shalom,we were the first to call for a boycott of settlement produce .

Then there was the " Boycott Law " ......

Ref : http://adam-keller2.blogspot.co.il/2013/08/settlement-boycott-on-supreme-court.html

Already in the 1990s, Gush Shalom has compiled and published – and constantly updated – a list of settlement products reaching the shelves of Israeli supermarkets, calling upon consumers to avoid purchasing such products. Quite naturally, if you consider settlements in the Occupied Territories to a be major impediment to peace with the Palestinians and/or a gross violation of international law (and many Israeli citizens do), you should take care not to help finance the same settlements with your shopping.

Under the Boycott Law, continuing the above campaign might have exposed Gush Shalom to hundreds of tort actions by settlement-based corporations, resulting in a far from affluent movement having to pay many millions in damages and being effectively wiped out.

On the very morning after it was enacted, advocate Gaby Laski went to the Supreme Court to present Gush Shalom’s appeal, arguing that this law constituted an unacceptable violation of freedom of speech and of political action in Israel. Also, that it was a gross discrimination, as any other civil boycott action remains completely legal under Israeli law, and the settlements alone are granted immunity.


Quote : " And there are some wonderful people in Israel trying to do the right thing. "

Probably more than you realize Bad Dog..........

Boycott = anti-Semitism? Some Israelis Avoid Settlement Products Too

There are no official figures, but probably thousands of Israeli consumers check the labels before they buy.

Judy Maltz Feb 24, 2014

Long before Scarlett Johansson came under international fire for promoting the West Bank SodaStream factory, these Israelis were getting their seltzer elsewhere.

And long before world Jewish leaders pronounced the international boycott movement anti-Semitism in its latest manifestation , these Israelis steered clear of products sold by Jewish-owned businesses located beyond the country’s internationally recognized borders.

It’s hard to know their exact numbers, but they are boycotters too, many for as long as they can remember: These Israelis do not, as a matter of principle, buy goods or produce from Jewish settlements in the occupied territories.

Vardit Shalfy, a theater director from Tel Aviv, not only checks every label carefully when she does her own supermarket shopping, but she also makes a point of alerting other customers who might not be aware that what they’re throwing into their carts was made in contested territory. “I’m absolutely shameless about it,” she acknowledges, “and very often, I get people to return products to the shelves. They simply didn’t know until I told them that what they were about to buy was made in the settlements and that by buying it they are supporting the occupation. Once, a woman almost smacked me, but more often than not, people listen.”

If she’s invited to an event where food is being served, says Shalfy, she has no qualms about calling over the chef to ascertain where exactly the ingredients in each dish came from. At the home of an acquaintance, she recounts, she once noticed her daughter innocently take a bite out of a cookie made by a factory in the East Jerusalem industrial park of Atarot. “I pulled it out of her mouth and reminded her that we don’t eat such things,” she says.

Netta Hazan, a facilitator for interfaith groups who lives in Jerusalem, admits she doesn’t take things that far. “I’m not going to lie and say that I check every label, and it’s not that I never drank something made with SodaStream, but if I know something’s made in a Jewish settlement, I won’t buy it,” she says. “On the other hand, I do make a point of buying things in Bethlehem in order to support the Palestinian economy.”

In 2006, Gush Shalom, the peace activist group headed by Uri Avnery, published a list of several hundred products made in areas beyond the Green Line. The list, comprised of many food products, also includes businesses operating in the Golan Heights. Among the best-known names on the list, aside from SodaStream, are the Ahava skin-care products manufacturer and the Golan Wineries.

In July 2011 the Knesset passed the so-called “anti-boycott law,” which penalizes persons or organizations who call for a boycott of Israel or the settlements. A group of human rights and minority rights organizations, including Gush Shalom, petitioned the High Court of Justice saying it was unconstitutional, and a first hearing in the case was held last week.
After the law was passed, Gush Shalom, concerned that it might be sued for heavy damages under the law, removed the list from its website. But that same list is being hosted today on the website of the Israeli social-democratic movement.


Adam Keller, the spokesman of Gush Shalom, estimates that “tens of thousands” of Israelis who oppose the occupation boycott products from the settlements. “I’m basing that on the number of people who downloaded the list from our site when it was still up and the number who’ve signed up to receive our pamphlets,” he says. Two prominent cases of Israeli companies that moved their factories “back home,” as he puts it, in response to pressure from the boycotters are the Barkan wine producer and the Bagel Bagel pretzel maker.

Although Gush Shalom wholeheartedly supports the boycott of products made in the settlements, Keller notes, it does not support the BDS movement and its call to boycott Israel as a whole. The organization’s boycott initiative, he says, was prompted by a desire to make the public aware that being a peace activist is not only about attending demonstrations. “You can also help promote peace through your consumer decisions.”

After the anti-boycott law was passed, Israeli left-wing organizations that support a boycott of settlement products were certain they’d be sued left and right, says Keller. But it never happened. “To date, there has not even been one lawsuit filed,” he notes.

Longtime peace activist Naftali Raz, who heads the social-democratic movement Massad, believes the other side feared testing the constitutionality of the law. “My speculation is that they went to lawyers who told them they would be idiots to bring this to court,” he says.
Asked why not one suit was brought against those calling for a boycott of their businesses, Yigal Dilmoni, deputy director of the Yesha Council, the organization that advocates on behalf of the settlements, said: “The leftist organizations sitting in Tel Aviv have lots of money and time on their hands, and we do not.”

In response to the anti-boycott law, Raz organized a petition in July 2011 that was signed by several hundred prominent Israelis, among them former heads of the security services, former cabinet ministers, professors, scientists, artists and writers. In the petition, the signatories declared their support for boycotting products from the settlements and said they would be willing to sit in jail rather than pay any fines, should they be found guilty of violating the law through their endorsement.

Raz puts the number of Israelis who boycott products from the settlements at “many thousands.”

In the past few years, Gush Shalom and the social democratic movement have been joined by several Hebrew-language Facebook groups that support boycotting products from the settlements, the most popular being “Sue me, I boycott settlement products,” which had almost 8,500 followers at the last count.


As Keller notes, it’s not always simple to ascertain where a product has been made and now that supermarkets in Europe have begun to mark merchandise made in the settlements, many business have an incentive to cover their tracks. For some, it’s a simple as setting up an address or office inside the Green Line. SodaStream’s corporate headquarters, for example, are located right near Ben-Gurion International Airport.

“We put a lot of detective work into putting together our list,” he says. “We used to have a full-time employee who did all the research for us, but we can’t afford it anymore so it’s all based on volunteers. One of the tell-tale signs we’ve discovered with food products is the address of the Rabbinate providing the Kashrut certificate. If it’s an address in the territories, that’s a good indication to us that the product is also being made in the territories.”
Another problem, he notes, arises from “the overlap between those who oppose the occupation and those who are ethical about what they eat,” because many of the organic and free-range products found in Israeli supermarkets and specialty stores come from the settlements.

Roy Yellin, a media consultant based in Tel Aviv, says that just as he wouldn’t purchase products manufactured by child laborers or those harmful to the environment, he doesn’t purchase products made in the settlements. “As someone who lives in this country, I’m forced to contribute to the settlement enterprise through the taxes I pay which support the economy there,” he says. “So at least in this way, through the decisions I make about what I consume, I can refrain from making any further contributions.”

After Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders called the international boycott movement anti-Semitism, says Yellin, “I felt it was really important for people to know that there are people in Israel who support the boycott, and that it doesn’t mean that they’re anti-Semites but rather that they oppose the continued occupation.”


Tamar Zandberg, a Knesset member from the left-wing Meretz party, says her refusal to buy products from the settlements is “my own personal way of showing my deep opposition to the government policy that established the settlements and my refusal to be part of it.”
The recent “hysterical denouncements” of boycott supporters by Israeli government leaders, she says, “is like saying that the mirror is crooked when it’s your face that’s ugly.”


Asked to comment on those Israelis who boycott settlement products, Dilmoni said: “Those who embrace boycotts are those who have failed in every other way to get their political message across. Whoever supports a boycott against the settlements shouldn’t be surprised if ultimately the boycott targets them.”
He said the boycott did not have a “significant” effect on businesses in the settlements. “For every factory that moved out, others have come in their place,” he said.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.575929#article-comments

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
43. If it wasn't for the sterling effort of people like you, a lot of this would go unreported.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:03 AM
Feb 2016

It may seem a bit lonely right now, but you're on the right side of history. It takes considerable bravery to say the right thing when there's so much opposition. It's quite easy to say the right thing when there's broad consensus. Over here my views aren't the least bit controversial, they're fairly mainstream.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
45. I dont feel lonely at all Bad Dog......
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:14 AM
Feb 2016

.....I have great faith in the next generation of anti occupation activists , they are not going to give up without a fight :

http://972mag.com/photos-israeli-police-arrest-12-left-wing-activists-at-hebron-demo/117267/

http://972mag.com/political-persecution-wont-stop-us-from-breaking-our-silence/117265/

Our duty as citizens who believe in democratic values, who believe that human beings have the basic right to live, express their opinions, and carry out a political struggle without fear, is to recognize the mechanisms that work against us — to put the spotlight on them and oppose them with all our power.

This is precisely what Breaking the Silence has been doing for the past decade: we want to expose the practices of an occupation regime and the moral price that maintaining that regime entails. When we listen to soldiers who have been sent to carry out this regime, we understand that an occupation cannot be moral — that it is ugly and destructive to both Israeli and Palestinian society. Unfortunately, one of its most ugly components is the spread of mechanisms of power that become indistinguishable from those of the state. This, in turn, leads to marking more and more people as “enemies of the state.”

Despite the reality, there are many good reasons to be optimistic, since political persecution also opens up possibilities: to get strong, to grow, to learn, to meet new people and build a united front. Alongside the attacks on us, we have witnessed a wave of support, solidarity, and an impressive ability for cooperation within our camp. We at Breaking the Silence are determined to continue to work toward ending the occupation and exposing its injustices. We are determined to save our country from the same messianic, nationalistic, and racist forces that harm it. The ones that, unfortunately, make up our government.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
47. That's good to know.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:33 AM
Feb 2016

As always our best hope lies with the next generation.

We have a similar split regarding Europe with the older "Little Englanders" wanting to leave while the young are more outward looking, if only we can get them all to vote in June.

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
49. I wouldn't hold out much hope for your next generation
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

They are too busy getting shitfaced.

And considering the trajectory of your education system there is no guarantee they will be able to read the damn ballot even if they are able to stagger over to the polls to vote.

Eta - contrary to the bullshit you posted above, the single largest group of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi Jews, they number almost 3 million, they and their ancestors have been living continuously in Israel, Judea, Samaria, Levant and mahgreb for THOUSANDS of years.

There has never been a time that Jews have not lived in there ancestral homeland and more to the point have indigenous right to live in Israel, Judea and Samaria as well as every other member of the Jewish tribe.


Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
50. Someone's got an axe to grind.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

When I was at Uni American exchange students in their final year had to be put in the same classes as the freshers, and even then they had trouble keeping up.

I'll take our education system over the American one any day.

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
51. dont really care
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:27 PM
Feb 2016

Never been there and probably never will, I can't afford to travel, I'm just a working guy.

it's fucking hilarious though that Japanese high school students test better in literacy and numeracy that college grads in England.

But hey, you all test better than the Spanish and Italians so there is that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449481/Education-crisis-Pupils-worse-maths-literacy-grandparents.html

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
52. I'm not surprised.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:16 PM
Feb 2016

Clearly you have a problem with reality, given that you think a trashy Tory rag like the Daily Wail is a reliable source.

You started a triumphalist thread about how the Palestinians have been put on the back foot by Tory fat cats when the opposite is true. The fact that they're having to pass such legislation shows how desperate the situation is. So now you've resorted to petty insults because you've lost the argument. I'm not saying our kids are the brightest in the World but they do know how to spell than, and that a sentence starts with a capital letter. It might be an idea to have a grown up check your posts before you hit the Post my reply! button.

It the meantime this is for you.



Toodle pip. I'm going to put you on ignore, because I live in the real World and I can't be bothered with this nonsense.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
44. "I am a member of Gush Shalom"
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:18 AM
Feb 2016

I always wondered what it's like being the only righteous Jew in the village .





Israeli

(4,151 posts)
46. British satire versus ours KD ....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
Feb 2016


Why do you feel the need to resort to the UK ?

Jon Stewart does it so much better





Israeli

(4,151 posts)
17. Goodness really ??
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:21 AM
Feb 2016

So whats all the fuss about ?

" just to keep it in perspective " .........



With thanks from ' The New York Times ' ......

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/12/world/middleeast/netanyahu-west-bank-settlements-israel-election.html?_r=0

You should read it all 6chars......very educational , when your done I highly recommend you also try here :

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
15. The supporters of racism can't win this one.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:31 PM
Feb 2016

Human rights are important in Britain. If people want to stop supporting Apartheid, they should be allowed to do so.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
24. well how dare they be outraged whatever do they have to be outraged about?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:04 AM
Feb 2016

UN: Over 400 Palestinians displaced by Israel in 6 weeks

Over 400 Palestinians in the occupied West Bank have been displaced due to Israeli demolitions during the first six weeks of this year, a senior UN official said Wednesday.

Coordinator for Humanitarian and UN Development Activities for the occupied Palestinian territory Robert Piper in a statement called the number of demolitions “alarming.”

The number of Palestinians displaced in 2016 is already equivalent to over half of the total number displaced in all of 2015, the official said.

Piper called on Israel to immediately halt all demolitions in the occupied West Bank, which he said were in violation of international law.

“Most of the demolitions in the West Bank take place on the spurious legal grounds that Palestinians do not possess building permits,” Piper said.

But, in Area C, official Israeli figures indicate only 1.5 percent of Palestinian permit applications are approved in any case. So what legal options are left for a law-abiding Palestinian?”

https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=770350

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
26. Yep...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:41 AM
Feb 2016

Israel continues to take more land and displace the Palestinian people an act deemed illegal by International courts and people wonder why Palastinians act the way they do.

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