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Eugene

(61,899 posts)
Fri Feb 16, 2024, 04:37 PM Feb 16

Egypt building walled enclosure in Sinai for Rafah refugees, photos suggest

Source: The Guardian

Egypt building walled enclosure in Sinai for Rafah refugees, photos suggest

Monitoring group releases evidence of work that appears intended to house Palestinians in event of Israeli assault on city

Ruth Michaelson
Fri 16 Feb 2024 16.24 GMT
First published on Fri 16 Feb 2024 13.37 GMT

Egypt has begun building an enclosed area ringed with high concrete walls along its border with Gaza that appears intended to house Palestinians fleeing a threatened Israeli assault on the southern city of Rafah.

Photos and videos released by the Sinai Foundation for Human Rights (SFHR), a monitoring group, show workers using heavy machinery erecting concrete barriers and security towers around a strip of land on the Egyptian side of the Rafah crossing.

The videos, dated 15 February, gave little indication of authorities installing water or other infrastructure. Satellite imagery released by Planet Labs on the same day shows cleared strips of land adjacent to the Gaza border.

SFHR said on social media that the videos showed efforts to “establish an isolated area surrounded by walls on the border with the Gaza Strip, with the aim of receiving refugees in the event of a mass exodus”.

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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/16/egypt-building-walled-enclosure-in-sinai-for-rafah-refugees-videos-suggest

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Egypt building walled enclosure in Sinai for Rafah refugees, photos suggest (Original Post) Eugene Feb 16 OP
So camps, with armed guards, where 'refugees' can be concentrated? Voltaire2 Feb 16 #1
By Egypt, If You Really Want To Play This Game The Magistrate Feb 16 #2
Egypt works closely with Israel Voltaire2 Feb 16 #4
Is It Good If People Are Not Near Falling Bombs, Sir? The Magistrate Feb 16 #5
It does not meet the UN's definition of Genocide Lithos Feb 16 #6
Money Can Be Donated Deep State Witch Feb 17 #9
Might ask Jordan or Lebanon that question Lithos Feb 17 #10
Exactly Deep State Witch Feb 18 #11
Oh, But That's All Right Then Deep State Witch Feb 16 #3
No one wants to talk about why the neighboring Arab countries won't take a single refugee. Mosby Feb 17 #7
Munich Security Conference Deep State Witch Feb 17 #8
Or sabbat hunter Feb 18 #12

Voltaire2

(13,037 posts)
4. Egypt works closely with Israel
Fri Feb 16, 2024, 06:20 PM
Feb 16

I assume you knew that when you posted this, so I am not quite sure what you’re saying.

Anyway, a plan to depopulate a city is an act of genocide.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
5. Is It Good If People Are Not Near Falling Bombs, Sir?
Fri Feb 16, 2024, 08:30 PM
Feb 16

I expect I'm no more desirous than you of seeing more people killed and maimed.

Personally, I'd rather my family and I were alive and intact, elsewhere if that was necessary for remaining so. Others may place greater value on other things, I suppose, but I'm a hard case to sell on any of those I've seen on offer.


"I don't make the rules. I just draw up the lists."

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
6. It does not meet the UN's definition of Genocide
Fri Feb 16, 2024, 09:48 PM
Feb 16
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

I do not disagree that what is happening is far from ideal, but the scope of genocide vastly exceeds that of a single city. I also would think the Egyptian position is preferable to the alternative as it helps to save lives. This suggests Egypt is preparing to back down on their current hard line of *no* refugees. This has resulting in the movement of tens of thousands of refugees northward into an area which is already well overcrowded.

Egypt's primary concern, which has been stated many times in the news, is they do *NOT* want an exodus of Palestinians from Rafah into Egypt. However, they are pragmatists and what you are seeing is likely a contingency to make sure that this does not destabilize the Sinai and Egypt itself. Egypt is "broke" and is unable to support a significant influx of refugees.



Deep State Witch

(10,426 posts)
9. Money Can Be Donated
Sat Feb 17, 2024, 09:11 PM
Feb 17

To help ease the burden of caring for the refugees. The Egyptians don't want them because they'll cause trouble.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
10. Might ask Jordan or Lebanon that question
Sat Feb 17, 2024, 09:32 PM
Feb 17

In both countries, refugees have been a huge destabilizer in their countries.

However, Egypt has a long, violent, history with the Muslim Brotherhood. Egypt is where the hard core Islamic ideology was developed and where it first took root. From there, it spread to other areas including Gaza where it is known today as Hamas. One of the Egyptian offshoots, Tanzim al-Jihad, were responsible for the assassination of Sadat. The Muslim Brotherhood almost created a Muslim Theocracy in 2013, but fell after the military stepped in following a significant uprising of the populace. At this point Egypt remains a pluralistic society, but the threat still remains. Given this, and given the destabilization of refugees, it only makes sense for Egypt to want to avoid anything which might break the stalemate in Egypt.


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Mosby

(16,311 posts)
7. No one wants to talk about why the neighboring Arab countries won't take a single refugee.
Sat Feb 17, 2024, 03:39 PM
Feb 17

And the truth is that the Palestinians have burned every bridge there is to burn, so it's kinda hard to work up a lot of sympathy, imo.

Deep State Witch

(10,426 posts)
8. Munich Security Conference
Sat Feb 17, 2024, 09:07 PM
Feb 17

I was partially listening to the broadcast of the Munich security conference today. The Egyptian representative said twice that "there would be consequences" if they tried to relocate the Palestinians into Egyptian territory. Twice. They could help to resolve the issue by allowing the Gazans to move into the Sinai. Or, absorbing Gaza into Egypt and making them all Egyptian citizens. But they don't want the Gazans because Hamas will try to bring in a Fundamentalist Islamic government that will drive all of the tourists away.

sabbat hunter

(6,829 posts)
12. Or
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 10:41 PM
Feb 18

Why the neighboring countries have not given citizenship to Palestinians that left Israel during the war of independence. They remain in refugee camps for generations.

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