At the UN on Nakba 77 Rabbi Challenges Zionist Narratives

[Uncle Joe]

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Jun 5, 2025

At the United Nations on Nakba 77, May 15, 2025, Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss speaking on the world's silence on the genocide in Gaza, exposing Zionist lies and rejecting the false accusations of antisemitism used to stifle criticism of Israel.

[creon]

1. pobodys nerfect

Neither Party is innocent.
Both are victims
Both are perpetrators

[brush]

2. The Rabbi is correct. Jews live in all the other countries peacefully without...

the ethnic cleansing, killing and starvation of Palestinians.

[creon]

3. when you will the end, you do not quibble the means

thay applies to both sides

[brush]

4. Both sides, as I said, are not doing ethnic cleansing.

clear Palestinians out of Gaza. The world is watching.

[creon]

14. the strong do what they will; the weak suffer what they must

Hamas does not have the means. If they had the means, they would do the same.

[Beastly Boy]

7. Not anymore!

There are 3,000 Jews left in North African countries out of 500,000 in 1948.

400 Jews out of 300,000 in the Muslim Middle East.


24000 out of 150,000 in the non-Arab Muslim countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

Yes, ethnic cleansing. Yes, genocide. And no, not peaceful.

[al bupp]

9. It's not as simple as you seem to imply

There were a number of factors that contributed to the exodus. From the source you provided,

The Jewish exodus from the Muslim world occurred during the 20th century, when approximately 900,000 Jews migrated, fled, or were expelled from Muslim-majority countries throughout Africa and Asia, primarily as a consequence of the establishment of the State of Israel. Large-scale migrations were also organized, sponsored, and facilitated by Zionist organizations such as Mossad LeAliyah Bet, the Jewish Agency, and the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.

Nevertheless, I notice that you do not attempt to argue on the merits of the Rabbi's assertion that anti-Zionism should not equate to antisemitism.

[Beastly Boy]

10. No, it's not simple.

But if you pay attention to the rest of the article, much of the Jewish exodus was triggered by extreme violence, official acts against the local Jewish populations, and outright expulsions from their homes where they lived for centuries.

I am not in a habit of arguing with extremist religious nutcases, so you shouldn't be surprised with me declining that honor. However, since you found merit in the Rabbi's argument, I will respond to you: in the same way that anti-Zionism should not equate to antisemitism, antisemitism should not mask itself as anti-Zionism.

It takes some homework, but it is easy enough to distinguish between antisemitism and anti-Zionism. First, one should take time to learn what Zionism is. If one is ignorant on the subject and calls oneself an anti-Zionist, the conversation ends right there: being anti-something without the basic knowledge of what that something is betrays an argument out of ignorance. Learning about Zionism also helps articulate what specific aspects of Zionism one is "anti-".

Second, one should take time to learn what antisemitism is. In addition to overt anti-Jew hatred, there is a whole category of more covert antisemitic sentiments. There is a large collection of baseless sentiments associated with antisemitism. They are called antisemitic tropes, and they have been used time and again to level unfounded accusations against Jews (BTW, accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing are nothing new - they have been sporadically leveled against Jews for centuries, way before Gaza)

So here is how to tell the two apart: first, look for hyperbole in describing grievances. It is not antisemitic in itself, but it raises suspicions of an argument being non-factual. Then, look for bias. If the standards for anti-Zionist criticism is applied capriciously towards Zionists and no one else under comparable circumstances, it's a dead giveaway that there is more to it than legitimate criticism. Finally, look for references to antisemitic tropes. If there are accusations resembling them, there is no question: that's antisemitism.

[Beastly Boy]

5. Awww, they must be getting desperate.

This Rabbi os from Neturei Karta, the most right wing religious zealot cult around. Smotrich and Gvir, and American Evangelicals are downright commies compared to these guys. They are waiting for the Messiah to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem

Think the Taliban on steroids.

[Uncle Joe]

6. and yet he argues against starvation and genocide.

If he's right wing, what does that make Netanyahu?

[Beastly Boy]

8. Neturei Karta is on the very right edge of the right wing. There is no one to their right.

They are arguing their dogma, nothing else. They are not arguing for the Palestinians, they are arguing against a secular Jewish state. They were arguing against it before the partition of Palestine, they were arguing against it after. They were arguing against it before 1967, they were arguing against it after. They were arguing against it before "genocide" and "starvation" became an argument, and, they are still arguing against it. They will co-opt whatever fits their dogma.

[Uncle Joe]

11. Well he did a good job

because he doesn't sound right wing.

[Beastly Boy]

12. The talking points are no secret. Parroting them doesn't take a rocket scientist.

[Uncle Joe]

13. Yes I suppose Netanyahu makes the talking points crystal clear and super easy to parrot. Anyone can do it,

even Tucker Carlson came off like a flaming liberal when he interviewed Ted Cruz.

[Beastly Boy]

15. Here you go. Another example of how easy it is to get free publicity.

I am surprised people still fall for this.

[Uncle Joe]

16. It goes back to my first question to you, what does this make Netanyahu?

"I am surprised people still fall for this."

[Beastly Boy]

17. My answer was implied in my response. Netanyahu is just another attention whore in this respect.

Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to be one.

[Uncle Joe]

18. Netanyahu is an indicted war criminal for possible genocide and ethnic cleansing, deliberately starving 2+ million

people, he left "attention whore" in the rear view mirror.

[Beastly Boy]

19. Accused, not indicted, of war crimes and crimes against humanuty, not genocide and not ethnic cleransing.

And an attention whore. The two are not irreconcilable.

[Lithos]

20. Locking per I/P guidelines

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Lithos