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toddmiller

(75 posts)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:29 PM Dec 2012

Cantor's Tough Talk is Weak but Typical of GOP Foreign Policy "Ideas"

Republicans often talk very tough when dealing with foreign governments. Sometimes it even gets them points with an electorate that interpret this talk as indicating they will best defend U.S. foreign policy interests.

It should be taught in schools and to everyone who gives credence to such talk that threats against other countries rarely work and the sort of threats the GOP tends to make really have little to do with foreign policy. Instead, tough Republican talk is mostly just fear-mongering that exaggerates threats and demonizes the citizens of countries that we don't like. It's also about portraying oneself as being a strong for advocate.

Such posturing is easy to spot because it characteristically doesn't involve a plan that moves us toward peace. For example, a recent CNN article by Eric Cantor that claims to tell us how to prevent the next clash with Hamas. Eric Cantor recently said in the article

For any enduring cease-fire, the onus must be on Hamas to control its fighters, cease rocket attacks, abandon terrorism and accept Israel's right to exist


Tough talk but in this article, he presents no plan to resolve the issue. Cantor goes on to explain that Hamas is really terrible and Israel is quite reasonable and demands that Hamas do as he pleases without explaining how he intends to enforce his demands. That's how you can easily spot such showmanship. Cantor doesn't devote even a sentence to explaining how he would move the peace process forward. This may play great with his constituency but it also shows that he doesn't have plan.

In contrast, Democrats have always had a plethora of ideas about how to move the peace process along and it's rare than any Republican every endorses a single idea on the list. These ideas often don't sound tough. They're just things that history has proven defuse conflicts and lead to peace.

A recent article gave a list of Democratic solutions as well as an analysis of why threatening or demonizing enemies is rarely a good idea. Rarely do any GOP candidates endorse any of these ideas that may not sound tough but have been proven by history to work.

Conflicts are resolved through apologies, forgiveness, peace-building dialogue and reconciliation, confronting hyprocrisy and dehumanization, ending power domination games and encouraging morality and cross-country and cultural personal relationship. Other strategies involve, finding and directing attention toward common goals, trust building programs such as cultural exchange, joint projects, United Nations Peacekeeping involvement, citizen diplomacy, finding common values, sharing power and encouraging cross-country business relationships. Finally, educating people about the dishonest nature of threats and exposing fear-mongering threats can prevent political rhetoric that maintains hostilities.


These sorts of ideas may have been what Ambassador Rice and Secretary of Clinton referred to as the peace process or playing chess. Clearly, Republicans aren't even playing checkers. They are not involved in diplomacy but in simply hoping their noise sounds appealing to low information voters.

The solution to this problem is education about what brings about peace and what doesn't even make sense. One step toward that goal may be for online newspapers to stop publishing thinly disguised political ads that falsely claim they represent foreign policy analysis.
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Cantor's Tough Talk is Weak but Typical of GOP Foreign Policy "Ideas" (Original Post) toddmiller Dec 2012 OP
cantor is one of many U.S. suck-ups to Israel, elleng Dec 2012 #1
'he presents no plan to resolve the issue' Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #2
H Clinton wouldn't even go so far as to recognize that Palestine exists. delrem Dec 2012 #3
In a sense they have been toddmiller Dec 2012 #5
you ask how I think peace can be achieved? delrem Dec 2012 #6
The Democratic party is 'right wing'? King_David Dec 2012 #7
Yes, I do. nt delrem Dec 2012 #8
On Israel, the Democratic party is indistinguishable from Dick Cheney. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #9
If people feel that way they should vote them out of power King_David Dec 2012 #11
I/P is a low priority issue with most registered geek tragedy Dec 2012 #12
Of course I disagree King_David Dec 2012 #13
Name three meaningful ways in which Obama+Congressional Democrats geek tragedy Dec 2012 #14
Crickets. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #16
US foreign policy is right-wing. Has been since Truman. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #15
A blast from the recent past Cantor and Netanyahu azurnoir Dec 2012 #4
.....the security of each nation is reliant upon the other?......... kayecy Dec 2012 #10

elleng

(130,964 posts)
1. cantor is one of many U.S. suck-ups to Israel,
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:46 PM
Dec 2012

with no practical thoughts at all; only ONE of the reasons I supported Wayne Powell, who challenged him for his seat in Congress.
http://www.powellforva.com/

delrem

(9,688 posts)
3. H Clinton wouldn't even go so far as to recognize that Palestine exists.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:28 AM
Dec 2012

So chess, checkers = BS.
Under either of the two right-wing parties, Tweedledum or Tweedledee, the US isn't an "honest broker" and should be removed from the process.

toddmiller

(75 posts)
5. In a sense they have been
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:18 AM
Dec 2012

With nonmember status, the US & Israel dominance game has diminished power. Gaza can now rely on AID from the UN & can file complaints about illegal blockades, war crimes with the International Criminal Court.

So how do you believe peace can be achieved?

delrem

(9,688 posts)
6. you ask how I think peace can be achieved?
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:26 AM
Dec 2012

Sorry, this is way too long an answer.

Immediate response: how the fark would I know, re. the world's most intransigent mess created by foreign meddling?

Both ideally and realistically, peace can only be achieved when some form of justice for all is at hand.

To be sure a faux "peace" occurs when one of the disputing populations is totally eradicated by the other, but I don't count that as within the true meaning. Another faux "peace" occurs when one of the disputing populations is so totally brutalized, segregated and dis-empowered financially socially and spiritually that it has no energy left to do anything except hide (I think, here, about my country Canada's native population - where thank god some small steps have finally been taken in the creation of Nunavut and a few other hope inspiring actions).

But in fact I don't think peace will be achieved between Israel as we know it (a Zionist state) and the indigenous population of Palestine. The disposition of power and wealth is too asymmetric. Israel has shown that it has no interest in such peace - that it is intent on one thing only, to formally annex the entirety of the territories that they call "Judea and Samaria" (they call "the disputed territories" and that they believe belongs to them and only to them by edict of God Almighty), to bulldoze and build over Palestinian properties, to rename them and erase Palestine in its entirety from the map - and even, if Israel's hasbara program could have its way, from the pages of history. What Israel has shown is that it has the military power and will to carry out this annexation, and in response to the recent UN move it has only accelerated the process - and I expect the process will continue to accelerate until it is finally completed.

I've hit the brick wall of Israel's hasbara project and don't see the tiniest crack in it - the closed mind is absolute - and I don't think the majority of Israelis give a damn about the consequences for the Palestinian people of its program of annexation and annihilation. There's no evidence to show otherwise - except the odd editorial or two in Haaretz.

I doubt Abbas has the nads to follow up at the UN. If he did, everything would be in place to start the processes *now* - there has certainly been enough time for the papers, the challenge, to be drawn up. Abbas is totally bought and paid for and I doubt he's done anything to this end. He cares for nothing more than another photo-op with Clinton. Apart from the formal UN processes, he has done nothing to help focus world opinion regarding a BDS campaign, to put world pressure on Israel from without - even though that's the kind of thing that worked to liberate South Africa.

Even if Abbas did try to follow up, the UN has proven itself to be useless in going after states more powerful than those ruled by the lowliest and ignorant warlords in the most impoverished countries. Look at how it handled the US war of aggression against Iraq. The US stood in front of the UNSC and flat out lied to the whole world as to its pretext for the war. Everyone on the planet knew at the time that the US was lying, that Iraq had been weakened by sanctions and disarmed by UN action to the point where it was helpless, and yet the US got away with it. The US got away with destroying the infrastructure and social structure of Iraq, murdering 10's of 10's of 1000's of it's people, sending millions fleeing for refuge, obliterating cities like Fallujah, kidnapping and torturing and murdering people -- visiting on that nation the entire gamut of evil. And the UN did nothing. Likewise I don't think the UN will do anything to protect the Palestinian people from Israel.

Yes, this is pessimistic talk, but don't get me wrong, I do think the recent UN move was a good one, if only psychologically. I think where this formal UN recognition of Palestinian state rights might have most telling effect, though, is through giving a moral boost to the BDS movement. I think people who care about the welfare of the Palestinian people would do well to waste less time in back-and-forths with the clones who make up the Israeli hasbara program, and spend more fruitful time acting proactively in furthering the BDS movement.


King_David

(14,851 posts)
7. The Democratic party is 'right wing'?
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:02 AM
Dec 2012

So who do you support.

I support Obama and The Democratic party of the USA.

That is why I joined DU.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. On Israel, the Democratic party is indistinguishable from Dick Cheney.
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:41 AM
Dec 2012

Neither party give's a rat's ass about doing anything but sucking up to Israel.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
11. If people feel that way they should vote them out of power
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:16 AM
Dec 2012

Find new candidates and a new party....

But people voted for them.. and they never hid their views on Israel ( they promoted it )
So I presume the Majority support they received us reflective of the platform .

If I disagreed so strongly , I would find a new candidate or party to vote for.

I am comfortable with whom I voted for.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. I/P is a low priority issue with most registered
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:33 AM
Dec 2012

Democrats. The party leadership is a lot more beholden to Israel than the voters are, but that doesn't change the nature of the 2 party system.

Noted, btw, you didn't disagree with the Cheney comparison.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Name three meaningful ways in which Obama+Congressional Democrats
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:16 AM
Dec 2012

have meaningful differences regarding I/P from Bush/Cheney.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
15. US foreign policy is right-wing. Has been since Truman.
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:32 PM
Dec 2012

The parties don't make much impact on this; they're just stewards of the policy, which is pretty much an institution all its own at this point.

1) Oppose leftism in other nations
2) Support rightist governments, no matter their brutality
3) Threaten military power against those who resist empire
4) Threaten economic penalties against wayward "allies"

US foreign policy is about competition, and dominating that competition.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. A blast from the recent past Cantor and Netanyahu
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:32 AM
Dec 2012
The meeting, which Israeli sources considered “unusual, if not unheard of,” according to Politico, took place at the Regency Hotel and lasted over an hour. No other U.S. lawmakers were present, while Netanyahu was joined by Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren, and National Security Advisor Uzi Arad.

In a statement about the meeting acquired by Politico and Ron Kampeas at the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, Cantor’s office said that:

Eric stressed that the new Republican majority will serve as a check on the Administration and what has been, up until this point, one party rule in Washington. He made clear that the Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States, and that the security of each nation is reliant upon the other.


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/cantor-told-netanyahu-that-gop-will-serve-as-a-check-on-obama.php

kayecy

(1,417 posts)
10. .....the security of each nation is reliant upon the other?.........
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:12 AM
Dec 2012

US security reliant on Israel?........I hope US citizens realise the state their defences have sunk to!

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