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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 03:10 AM Mar 2013

Group: Over 1,000 Palestinians killed in Syria conflict

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Over 1,000 Palestinians have been killed in Syria's ongoing internal conflict, a Palestinian group said Sunday.

The Action Group for Palestinians of Syria said in a statement that around 1,038 Palestinians have been killed in the 22-month Syrian conflict, which has claimed the lives of around 70,000 people and created hundreds of thousands of refugees, including Palestinians.

In January, UN Relief and Works Agency chief Filippo Grandi said conditions in Lebanese camps for Palestinian refugees were "horrible."

"The main problem they have is accommodation. They rent small, cramped, very unsanitary premises without running water, without ventilation, without electricity," he said.

http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=570876

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Group: Over 1,000 Palestinians killed in Syria conflict (Original Post) oberliner Mar 2013 OP
Cue the silence. And crickets. n/t shira Mar 2013 #1
Well, what could be said, exactly? Scootaloo Mar 2013 #2
Just goes to show the loud flotilla, bds folks are silent when Israel can't be blamed.... shira Mar 2013 #4
Not especially Scootaloo Mar 2013 #8
That's it. That's all it has ever been. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #9
So it has nothing to do with the (Palestinian) victims; only the alleged oppressor shira Mar 2013 #11
It's because it's already spoken about, without opposition Scootaloo Mar 2013 #12
I'm not talking about here, but all pro-Palestinian advocates out there. shira Mar 2013 #15
Everyone clearly thinks that King_David Mar 2013 #13
Well I do know what to say here first azurnoir Mar 2013 #3
1000 wow ! King_David Mar 2013 #5
so you believe that Palestinian deaths in Syria during a Syrian civil war azurnoir Mar 2013 #6
Well it's kinda disproportionate nt King_David Mar 2013 #7
disproportionate to what exactly? n/t azurnoir Mar 2013 #10
Dunno I always hear that word King_David Mar 2013 #14
Kick King_David Mar 2013 #16
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. Well, what could be said, exactly?
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 07:06 PM
Mar 2013

Besides a bland-sounding extension of sympathy?

The US isn't going to intervene. Israel sure as fuck isn't, either. Who's that leave, Jordan? 'Cause neither Iraq nor Lebanon is in any condition to take a stand on anything. Turkey? Well, there's a possibility, to turn it into a NATO operation ala Yugoslavia. Just not a very good one since NATO likes to pretend Turkey doesn't count. Maybe Russia could get hands-on, oh, I'm sure everyone in the world would lovethat prospect, right?

'Cause that's the only way to stop this, really, is intervention. And here's the part that's going to make your skin crawl; the intervention will need to be on behalf of Assad's regime. Support this or that rebel faction, you get a Somalia - an unstable wracked nation where a lot of people die. Of course if you support Assad, you get a stable, damaged nation where a lot of people are still going to die.

It's a situation without a satisfying answer, isn't it?

So I'm not sure what you're wanting here, Shira. Given the nature of the situation, there's really not much to talk about. Everyone agrees that Syria is in a shitty state any way it resolves. Everyone agrees it's fucking awful what is happening to the people unfortunate enough to live there. Should we argue about whose more concerned or who can voice disgust the loudest? If so, how about this; you win, take your trophy and go.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
4. Just goes to show the loud flotilla, bds folks are silent when Israel can't be blamed....
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 07:40 PM
Mar 2013

....for the misery or killing of Palestinians.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
8. Not especially
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 12:52 AM
Mar 2013

Do you remember in 2004 when the news about US abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison broke? Remember how stunned and outraged pretty much every sane person in the United States was about this, to say nothing of the people whose country it happened in (and next to?) The outrage was very real, and it was very deserved. That it would happen was unthinkable, and greatly demoralizing.

Of course, th baath regime that ruled Iraq had been doing even worse things in Abu Ghraib since they took power. Go have a look at some of those photos, then imagine worse. way way worse. Little girls raped to death to punish their parents worse.

Where was the outrage then? where was the horror, the criticism, the shock and horror? Where were the front-page spreads on the New York Times or the morning news shows? WHERE? There weren't any.

By your logic on display here, that's because everyone hates America and loved Saddam, right? The loud focus on the one instead of hte other is some sort of weird racist self-loathing by Americans , and anti-yankee persecution and the worst of blood libels from the rest of the world, right?

Wrong.

It's because nobody ever, ever expected better of Saddam. He was already known as a brutal, gruesome dictator with no problems gassing thousands of Iraqis (or for that matter tens of thousands of Iranians, but that was never newsworthy apparently). But America was the beacon of freedom, a humane western nation espousing liberty and protection and equality.

Saddam acted exactly like everyone expected Saddam to act. When the US borrowed even a portion of his script, it was genuinely shovcking, because - imagine this - a civilized democratic nation preaching liberty is held to higher standards than an authoritarian dictatorship run by a guy who collects black velvet pornography and literally remakes Babylon in his own image.

Israel is held to a higher standard than Syria, by the same token. if it ever gets to the point where people don't expect Israel to be better-behaved than motherfucking Bashir Assad or the coked-up islamists trying ot murder him, then maybe you have cause to complain.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
11. So it has nothing to do with the (Palestinian) victims; only the alleged oppressor
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 06:04 AM
Mar 2013

That's why the so-called "pro" Palestinian contingent doesn't speak out much about:

a) Lebanese apartheid vs Palestinians
b) Hamas/PLO oppression vs Palestinian gays, women, and children
c) Syria or Jordan vs. Palestinians

No sense standing up for what is "right" or "just" WRT Palestinians when lesser regimes (are they retarded to you) are abusing them? You don't believe they can be pressured to treat Palestinians better? Seems there's no effort whatsoever to even try pressuring them. All this bad behavior vs. Palestinians is pretty much censored and ignored within the "pro" Palestinian community.

And people wonder why "pro" Palestinian advocates are considered phonies and shills for Arab regimes @ war vs. Israel.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
12. It's because it's already spoken about, without opposition
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 05:57 PM
Mar 2013

We've gone over this before, I believe. If everyone agrees on the subject, there's not really anything to debate. Have you seen anyone arguing that it's right for Syria to kill lots of people? Seen anyone arguing that it's great how Lebanon treats the refugees? Any congratulations towards Hamas at all?

No, on all counts. All you see from anyone are condemnations of these things. In absense of opposition, people tend to simply let statements stand without repetition.

Now we get to Israel, and there are people who DO think that killing a thousand Palestinians is commendable. We have people who DO think that keeping Gazans in a desert prison and forcing refugees to remain refugees is essential. We have people who clap with glee when gays, women, and children are turned to meat-mush by bombs, because they're Palestinian gays, women, and children (and men, and the elderly, and everyone else).

This generates debate. Which generates a large body of content. The existence of which you whine about endlessly.

Maybe if we had more mindless pro-Assad propagandabots?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. I'm not talking about here, but all pro-Palestinian advocates out there.
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 08:30 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Tue Mar 5, 2013, 11:00 PM - Edit history (1)

From FreeGaza to BDS to Mondoweiss and the PSC.

Palestinians cannot count on their support when their human rights are violated by Hamas, Jordan, Syria, or Lebanon. For some reason, the pro-Palestinian movement doesn't believe it should try pressuring those governments to treat Palestinians better.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
13. Everyone clearly thinks that
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 07:13 PM
Mar 2013

What happens in the Jewish Zionist State is much more heinous no matter what happens .. Even a traffic jam on Kikar Zion or Dizzingoff would get more condemnation and calls for a UN investigation .

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
3. Well I do know what to say here first
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 07:37 PM
Mar 2013

it's too bad that these refugees do not have a country where they are allowed to return to, second perhaps if they had been allowed to become Syrian citizens ,,,,,,,oh wait skip that one, ah what else oh I know why doesn't Jordan take them in? Yep that's the ticket blame Jordan except from what I've read Jordan is only accepting Syrian citizens as refugee not refugees that were in Syria as refugees from other countries that includes Iraq, surely some Iraqi refugees have been killed as a result have been killed in Syria too, but we haven't anything about that, whereas when America was killing Iraqi's ........ you get the idea I'm sure

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
6. so you believe that Palestinian deaths in Syria during a Syrian civil war
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 09:07 PM
Mar 2013

should be more important than deaths of any other person in Syria due to this civil war?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
14. Dunno I always hear that word
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 07:53 PM
Mar 2013

WRT Israel and never understand it there either.

It makes just as little sense when using that word as when it's used if Israel retaliates against terrorists.

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