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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 09:45 AM Mar 2013

Peres: I believe Obama, but Iran may be 'bluffing'

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4358676,00.html

Peres: I believe Obama, but Iran may be 'bluffing'

On eve of US president's visit, Israeli counterpart tells CNN 'he is a man that thinks before he speaks, but Iranians capable of bluffing others and bluffing themselves'

President Shimon Peres said he was "free of doubts" that his American counterpart Barack Obama would use military force if necessary to stop Tehran from developing a nuclear bomb.
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Last week Obama told Israel's Channel 2 he believes Iran is "over a year or so" away from being able to develop a nuclear weapon and that the US will use "all options" to stop it.



Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran?
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Peres: I believe Obama, but Iran may be 'bluffing' (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 OP
Let's hope so oberliner Mar 2013 #1
Unilateralism is so awesome, isn't it? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #2
Yea for striking Iran..what a day that would be for the pro-Israel crowd. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #3
Huh? oberliner Mar 2013 #5
Iran's religious leaders have declared nuclear weapons to be anathema. delrem Mar 2013 #7
Well that settles that then oberliner Mar 2013 #8
It's a feckin start, which is more than I hear from Israel. delrem Mar 2013 #12
They weren't a threat to begin with. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #9
So long as you ride the first bomb in, like Major Kong. n/t Scootaloo Mar 2013 #4
What the heck are you talking about? oberliner Mar 2013 #6
Apparently not ... holdencaufield Mar 2013 #10
I figured you were responding to Daneel's statement. My mistake. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #11

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
3. Yea for striking Iran..what a day that would be for the pro-Israel crowd.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 02:22 PM
Mar 2013

What a telling statement, oberliner..thanks.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. Well that settles that then
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 11:02 PM
Mar 2013

The Great and Powerful Supreme Leader has spoken!

So let it be written, so let it be done.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. What the heck are you talking about?
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 10:28 PM
Mar 2013

It is my hope only that Iran is bluffing.

A hope I would think everyone would share.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
11. I figured you were responding to Daneel's statement. My mistake.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 12:58 AM
Mar 2013

so this brings a new question; what exactly is Iran supposed to be bluffing with here? Iran's position is that it is not, has not, and never will pursue nuclear weapons. That's not a very good bluff. In fact I would argue that it fits no known definition of "bluffing."

Bluffing would be like when we decided to fuck Iraq no matter what and Saddam suddenly started threatening to use all those chemical and biological agents against US forces. That was a bad bluff, since a) that was what we were using as pretext and b) he didn't have any such weapons, but at least it was a bluff. Or, for that matter, there's Israel's own "maaaaaaaybe we do and maaaaaaaybe we don't" stance on its own nuclear weapons. That's a bluff too, of the Dirty Harry sort ("Feel lucky?&quot . And hten we have North Korea's bad habit of rattling its sabres every time one of the Kims gets hungry, threatening to attack the South in order to get more aid shipments. Everyone knows that'd be a goddamn dumb thing to do, but hell, the Kims are literally nuts enough, better to give 'em the cheese and crackers than watch 'em blow up a few hundred north Koreans by marching over their own landmines.

Calling "we don't have any and we don't want any" a "bluff" is frankly silly. The point of bluffing is to give a display of strength and confidence to make the other guy back off. Iran bluffing on nukes would be them taking a position similar to Israel's.

If "bluff" is being used to mean the weaker definition of "lie or mislead," then Peres is basically saying the Iranians are fooling themselves about their non-pursuit of nukes... which is just all kinds of silly.

Now, my perspective? Iran has apparently been "on the verge" of nuclear weapons since at least January 19, 2002, with Bush's "Axis of Evil" remarks in the State of the Union. For eleven years, they've been "just a year away," or "just a matter of months," or "two years" or "a year and a half," depending on who's making the claim, when, and to whom.

I would also find it a little easier to believe if the people that keep saying this weren't all, each and every one, so very eager to make war on Iran anyway.

It would also have a little more credibility if, y'know, the Supreme leader of Iran hadn't totally proscribed the weapons, along with chemical and biological weapons.

I didn't like the taste of yellow cake in 2002, and I still don't care for it.

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