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Related: About this forumIsraeli Racism And American Jewish Hypocrisy
On the U.S. Jewish establishments double standard regarding what gentiles can say about Jews and what Israeli Jews can say about Arabs and blacks.By Larry Derfner |Published August 13, 2013
The Anti-Defamation League and the rest of the American Jewish establishment owe Jesse Jackson an apology. They put the man through the wringer, they made him apologize in every possible forum for his Hymie and Hymietown remarks back in 1984. Yet look at the kinds of things Israeli leaders senior government ministers, chief rabbis get away with without ever having to apologize, without ever being punished in the slightest.
A couple of weeks ago the economy minister, Naftali Bennett, the fresh new face of right-wing Orthodox Judaism, was saying in a cabinet meeting how he didnt like these releases of Palestinian prisoners. If you catch terrorists, you simply have to kill them, he was quoted in Yedioth Ahronoth as saying. The head of the National Security Council, Yaakov Amidor, told Bennett, Listen, thats not legal. Bennett replied: I have killed lots of Arabs in my life and there is no problem with that.
The media, the left and the Arabs made a big deal out of it, nobody else. Bennett defended what he said, and so did countless talkbackers and Facebookers.
Two days later the newly-elected Ashkenazi chief rabbi of Israel, David Lau, was seen on a video telling an audience of yeshiva boys that they shouldnt watch Euroleague basketball games in public; it was bad for their image. What difference does it make, Lau said, if the kushim who get paid in Tel Aviv beat the kushim who get paid in Greece? Kushim, especially when used in a dismissive context like Lau did, is a well-understood derogatory term for blacks.
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Israeli Racism And American Jewish Hypocrisy (Original Post)
Purveyor
Aug 2013
OP
well from my reading it means approximately the same when used in that manner as
azurnoir
Aug 2013
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)1. I've never heard the term kushim.
I wonder if it has a meaning?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)3. well from my reading it means approximately the same when used in that manner as
ni**er does in American English but as of days ago Israeli web posters are claiming it isn't a racial slur ah ya and maybve when someone calls a Black person by the 'N' term in the US it only means they're excessively frugal too
shira
(30,109 posts)9. The Rabbi's remark is vile, no doubt. But pro-Palestinian types like yourself.....
...are no better. You're actually far worse.
From the comments section at 972:
Anyway, youre missing the REAL racism. Ever heard yourself (or anyone else) say Arabs were provoked into throwing stones? That violence is expected to erupt if negotiations fail\Jews come to the Temple mount\Jews move into an Arab neighborhood? Thats racism. The thought that Arabs are like a force of nature.
To think that releasing hundreds of terrorists for Shalit is OK thats racism.
The thought that Abu Mazens demand to release murderers is legitimate because it will straighten him is racist. It assumes thats OK for a society to honor cold blooded murders *for their murder*, because they are Arabs. They are not honored for their contribution to the struggle. They are honored because they have killed Jews.
To ignore violence against Jews by Arabs or by infiltrators living in TA, but to scream and fume whenever a kid that was throwing stones at soldiers gets pushed by a soldier.
To judge Israel by different standards and discuss its worthiness and ignore other countries thats racism..
Of course, we need to add the fact that only Jews count as settlers in your opinion, not Israeli Arabs. Not Israelis, but Jews in particular.
In addition, your support of a Jew-free Palestine as described clearly by both Abbas and his US Ambassador.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)2. If anyone knows about racism and hypocrisy, it's Larry Derfner
I wonder how Greta Berlin compares to the folks mentioned in this article?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)4. ah yes this again
here is what Derfner really said
In other words, Berlins explanation, available for all to see, is that the tweet and video dont represent her views they represent views she considers extremely dangerous.
Do you believe her? I do, absolutely. I dont agree with the overall view of Israel-Palestine held by Berlin and the Free Gaza Movement (although I do support the mission of their flotillas, which is to break the blockade of Gaza) but to think that she believes in this psychotic, frothing-at-the-mouth garbage about Jews? No, I do not.
But I have to admit when I first heard about the tweet, and read Avi Mayers Facebook entries and the JTA story, I found it unbelievable yet I believed it, because there it was in black and white, the original tweet plus the video, all written up in the newspapers and websites in stories that purportedly included Berlins side of the story.
It was only after I read Berlins actual side of the story that I realized that Mayer, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, The Jerusalem Post and the National Post were telling good old lies of omission. Theyve slandered Greta Berlin and the Free Gaza Movement, in most if not all cases out of right-wing political motives. (The writer of the Jerusalem Post article, Benjamin Weinthal, is a right-wing propagandist posing as a journalist. He quotes another right-wing propagandist, NGO Monitors Gerald Steinberg, saying: The NGO activists in the so-called Free Gaza campaign have always reflected obsessive, irrational and immoral characteristics, and the revelation of links to crude anti-Semitism provides additional evidence.)
Do you believe her? I do, absolutely. I dont agree with the overall view of Israel-Palestine held by Berlin and the Free Gaza Movement (although I do support the mission of their flotillas, which is to break the blockade of Gaza) but to think that she believes in this psychotic, frothing-at-the-mouth garbage about Jews? No, I do not.
But I have to admit when I first heard about the tweet, and read Avi Mayers Facebook entries and the JTA story, I found it unbelievable yet I believed it, because there it was in black and white, the original tweet plus the video, all written up in the newspapers and websites in stories that purportedly included Berlins side of the story.
It was only after I read Berlins actual side of the story that I realized that Mayer, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, The Jerusalem Post and the National Post were telling good old lies of omission. Theyve slandered Greta Berlin and the Free Gaza Movement, in most if not all cases out of right-wing political motives. (The writer of the Jerusalem Post article, Benjamin Weinthal, is a right-wing propagandist posing as a journalist. He quotes another right-wing propagandist, NGO Monitors Gerald Steinberg, saying: The NGO activists in the so-called Free Gaza campaign have always reflected obsessive, irrational and immoral characteristics, and the revelation of links to crude anti-Semitism provides additional evidence.)
http://972mag.com/the-slandering-of-gaza-flotilla-activist-greta-berlin/57110/
but when it comes to playing the race card I can give you stunning examples if you wish one involving Ali Abunumah's condemnation of Greta Berlin and another involving a teacher in Louisiana
delrem
(9,688 posts)5. I think a spinoff of Derfner's point might be
that if you want so bad to smack Derfner *that* way, then you'd better smack Naftali Bennett in the *same* way.
Otherwise you're a hypocrite.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)6. wll I for one will not be holding my breath for that :)
delrem
(9,688 posts)7. Yet, it gives the biggest loophole imaginable, so enticing to jump in!
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