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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 06:36 PM Oct 2013

Israeli Police Lock Up Haifa Activist For Facebook Statuses

Police detained and held Razi Nabulsi, a young Palestinian from Haifa for a week for statuses he posted to Facebook and Twitter, claiming they constituted incitement. The catch? Even though the statuses were posted publicly on the Internet, police declared them to be secret evidence and refused to publicly say in court what he was accused of writing.

By Yoav Haifawi

Razi Nabulsi, a 23-year-old activist and student in Haifa, spent the last week in jail for statuses he publicly posted on Facebook and Twitter.

His detention was extended twice. In four different court hearings during the week (two remand extension hearings and two appeals) the Haifa court decided that his statuses constitute a danger to the State of Israel. The court extended his remand to custody on the grounds of “incitement.”

Razi was represented by attorneys Aram Mahamid and Hassan Jabareen from Adalah – The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel.

The materials the police submitted to the judge were, of course, “secret.” What we were able to understand from what police investigators said in court in response to the defense attorneys, was that the allegations were based on statuses Razi supposedly posted on Facebook and some leaflets that were distributed in the streets of Haifa. He was also accused of possessing books by the Palestinian writer Ghassan Kanafani.

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Israeli Police Lock Up Haifa Activist For Facebook Statuses (Original Post) Purveyor Oct 2013 OP
Secret evidence in Israel. In the US, secret courts, secret laws. enough Oct 2013 #1
wonder if MEMRI did the translations for the Israeli police? azurnoir Oct 2013 #2
Control of language -> control of *every* narrative. delrem Oct 2013 #3
Secret Evidence. Scootaloo Oct 2013 #4

enough

(13,260 posts)
1. Secret evidence in Israel. In the US, secret courts, secret laws.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 06:40 PM
Oct 2013

With secrecy, there is no rule of law.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
2. wonder if MEMRI did the translations for the Israeli police?
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 07:04 PM
Oct 2013

here's one example from the article

Razi gave us many examples of the statuses he was interrogated about, divided between the foolish, misleading translations, ignorance, gossip, whatever. But at least in one case I could understand the horror his status aroused in the people that are responsible for state security.

“One day the nightmare will be over,” the status read.

The interrogator claimed he clearly wrote it to express his wish that the state of Israel will cease to exist!


There's more in OP about the word martyr being translated as suicide bomber, something we see done here with some frequency, the dirty little secret is that in this venue I/P, Palestinians use the word martyr for any Palestinian who was killed by Israel' no matter under what circumstances, age, or gender-so an infant killed in it's cradle by an IDF bombing say in Gaza is also called a martyr

delrem

(9,688 posts)
3. Control of language -> control of *every* narrative.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:56 PM
Oct 2013

I've noticed that increasingly, exponentially even, gov'ts around the world are using the techniques of redefining terms that already have definite meaning, and inventing new categories entirely (e.g. "enemy combatant&quot so as to subvert the meaning of existing terms, even legal terms.

This is happening in the US as well. As noted by 'enough', above - but also the US is now dealing with "secret interpretations" of publicly affirmed laws, so the meaning of the redefined legal terms is unknown. That's beyond weird. To put it another way, that contradicts western liberal (small l) democracy that I was taught existed, and that separated the "free world" from "dictatorship".

Translating the word 'martyr' as 'suicide bomber' is about as offensive as one can get, tho' --

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