Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumJordan Valley demolitions leave 50 Palestinians homeless
Israeli forces on Monday demolished four houses and eight agricultural structures in the southern Jordan Valley, leaving at least 50 Palestinians homeless, a local official said.
Fathi Shqaier, head of a campaign to support communities in the Jordan Valley, told Ma'an that Israeli forces demolished the properties in al-Auja village.
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The Jordan Valley forms roughly a third of the occupied West Bank, with 94 percent of the area off limits to Palestinian use and development.
Israel has declared around 56 percent of the total area to be part of closed military areas.
In 2012, 540 Palestinian structures were demolished in Area C due to a lack of Israeli-issued permits, displacing 815 people, over half children, the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs says.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=653294
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Facts on the ground and all that good stuff.
K&R
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Najada added that some residents filed an appeal in Israeli courts and have official documents proving that the land belongs to the Islamic endowment.
I was told recently by a knob-headed muppet that the current system of apartheid or colonization is one of stability for Israel...and themselves.
These Palestinians are humans. What did they do to deserve having their homes destroyed? Nobody with good conscience can legitimize apartheid or colonization and claim security when security is denied to those under Israel's boot.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)On May 16 Hamas police dragged his wife and eight children out of their squat cement house and pummelled him with wooden batons as bulldozers razed the building along with nearly 20 other homes.
"They didn't come here as a government, they came as an enemy power," he said, surrounded by several nodding neighbours who are also camping out at the site, an outcrop of sand dunes on the edge of the town.
"Whoever destroys my house is my enemy," he said.
Hamas authorities said they demolished the homes under a court order because they were illegally built on government land.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iFPsv5xO7nPqyXEwz2NH6fzRAtCQ
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)guess Israel can't hold a candle to that huh?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And it doesn't even come close to the scope and scale of Israeli house demolitions.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I support Hamas, but thank you for bringing up an article from some time ago.
It illustrates how you have to apologize for Israel when none are acceptible.
I don't apologize for Hamas, but any 40 watt bulb would know that.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I offer no apology for Israel's actions.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)you believe that I do not support, instead of staying on topic?
What wad the reason of bringing up something on Hamas from 2010 when Israel does this to Palestinians on a near daily basis?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Palestinians demolish the homes of other Palestinians if they were built illegally.
Palestinian leadership only lets Palestinians build homes in certain areas and not in others.
The difference, of course, is that the Israeli leadership should not have any jurisdiction in the West Bank.
There should be two independent states living side by side in peace with one another.
Let's work together to try to make that happen.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)and Israel may get away with it.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's the only path forward for all concerned.
Let's work towards it together.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)it does not look likely to occur..not one that would provide a viable state for the Palestinians.
I prefer to be wrong about that.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If both sides worked seriously towards a two-state solution, then the Palestinians would have an independent state. Sadly, the current Israeli leadership is not keen on the idea, to put it mildly.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)in my words about him, at the moment.
If Israel gets the land swaps they want, it will be a Bantustan state left for the Palestinians.
There is no pressure coming from the US, for example, remember what Obama said this
past winter about E1? He knows it's wrong but no pressure, regardless...none I am aware
of anyway.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What is a more realistic and equitable solution?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)without that support....but there is always the Palestinians, themselves. If the
situation ignites an uprising, there may be a very different more positive outcome for them.
I don't have anything to propose other than I prefer to see the US do what is right
and use their power to end the misery once and for all. They already know what they should
have supported long ago but they're not going to do it.
The United Nations General Assembly
Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine.
snip* Affirming the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war;
Affirming also the illegality of the Israeli settlements in the territory occupied since 1967 and of Israeli actions aimed at changing the status of Jerusalem;
Stresses the need for: (a) The realization of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, primarily the right to self-determination; (b) The withdrawal of Israel from the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;
Also stresses the need for resolving the problem of the Palestine refugees in conformity with its resolution 194 (III) of 11 December 1948.
http://www.un.org/en/ga/68/resolutions.shtml
oberliner
(58,724 posts)"If the situation ignites an uprising, there may be a very different more positive outcome for them."
Can you clarify what you mean by that?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Really now, an uprising, en masse, in protest. The Israeli government has the US at it's
back but the Israeli government does not have international support from the people
of the ME and among most nations to leave the Palestinians with little more than
a Bantustan state. Look at the UN resolution..how that number weighed in support
vs those who voted no. It would be over for Israel's business as usual, they would
have to vacate the settlements..at the very least, compensate for the ROR, etc.
No one can call for such a thing, an uprising develops from within the people themselves.
If you fear such a thing, don't worry...it looks like Israel will get its way.