'Wave Of Palestinian Terror'? Not Exactly

[Purveyor]

It’s pretty difficult to pinpoint anything resembling a starting point for the latest violence; prior to last week, Israeli forces killed 19 Palestinians since July, compared to four Israelis who were killed. The violence is neither unilateral nor arbitrary.

By Dahlia Scheindlin |Published December 26, 2013

The latest escalation between Israel and the Palestinians has taken lives on both sides over the last week. The Israeli media is now describing the violence as a new “wave of Palestinian terror.” Commentators have said that it’s not clear yet whether this is a third Intifada, indicating an organized uprising, since the attacks appear to have been perpetrated by individuals. But they are unquestionably acts of terror.

Israeli media tells a very simple story: the attacks are happening to us unilaterally and unpredictably, their arbitrary nature makes life in Israel terrifying and fragile. The only possible explanation for the uptick in Palestinian violence, observed Israeli officials such as Police Commissioner Yochanan Danino and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon, is that Palestinian extremists hate the peace negotiations currently underway.

Consider the main violent events over the last week. The IDF ambushed and killed two Palestinians on Thursday, December 19, in separate incidents that took place in Jenin and Qalqilya. The army told news agencies that the men were wanted for shooting at soldiers, which Palestinians dispute in at least one case.

The next day, Friday, December 20, IDF shot and killed a Gazan civilian and wounded his brother, both in their 20s. Ynet quoted the IDF spokesman saying the two had approached the fence in an attempt at sabotage, and did not respond to warnings. Haaretz later reported that the wounded brother said the two were collecting plastic and metal scraps. The report added that they were known in the neighborhood as having made their living collecting plastic and metal shards from the dumps. Garbage scrounging is a familiar source of income for some Palestinians, in the West Bank as well, so this is not an unreasonable prospect.

MORE...

http://972mag.com/wave-of-palestinian-terror-not-exactly/84412/

[King_David]

1. 972Mag again?

LOL

Talk about credible

[Purveyor]

2. "King_David" again... Talk about credible!

[King_David]

3. Well I am not a magazine,but 972Mag is the same as this model,

http://badnewsfromthenetherlands.blogspot.ca/


Don't take it personally it was a comment on the ''magazine'' not yourself. I would say the same about the National Enquirer and it would not be a personal attack.

[Purveyor]

4. I think I'm just going to ignore your tripe for awhile if I can remember how to access the 'ignore

list.

See you on the other side...

[King_David]

5. Cheers,

That is what the ignore button is for.

[Jefferson23]

6. Share what you believe is inaccurate in the OP and what is not credible about the author.

Is she a fake, King David..the surgeon?


Dahlia Scheindlin is a leading international public opinion analyst and strategic consultant based in Tel Aviv, specializing in progressive causes, political and social campaigns in over a dozen countries, including new/transitional democracies and peace/conflict research in Israel, with expertise in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. In Israel, she works for a wide range of local and international organizations dealing with Israeli-Palestinian conflict issues, peacemaking, democracy, religious identity and internal social issues in Israeli society. More…

Dahlia is currently writing her doctoral dissertation in comparative politics at Tel Aviv University. The focus of her research is unrecognized (de facto) states. She has been an adjunct lecturer at the Department of Politics and Government at Ben Gurion University and currently teaches adjunct at Tel Aviv University’s Political Science Department.

Dahlia writes a monthly column for the Jerusalem Report magazine and is a regular media commentator and guest lecturer.

[King_David]

7. I do not believe she ''Is she a fake, King David..the surgeon? ''

I do not think she is a surgeon at all. That is a bizarre thing to say.

[Jefferson23]

9. You don't do coy well at all. Share what is not accurate about the OP and

why you believe she is not credible.

You are the one who claims to be an expert on the conflict and by profession a surgeon waiting to
serve the IDF, correct?

So, have at it...what is it about the OP that is not credible?

[King_David]

10. Yes that makes sense and is relevant to this discussion...

[Jefferson23]

12. No response, ok. I did not think there would be one.

Try and recall, that you insert yourself as an expert, not me.

[King_David]

13. I see you still never got over telling us what a big Holiday Christmas is in Israel and Palestine?

You do not like to be wrong ...LOL

or even to be pointed out to be wrong,mister...

It never took an ''expert'' to know this.

But I think you realized it eventually.

[Jefferson23]

18. Post where I said that, or implied it. Your expertise on Israeli holidays

claimed the opposite of the Harretz OP I posted...you're very foolish.

Most important, you spent an entire thread, avoiding an OP about demolition of
homes that took place on christmas eve, and you needed to keep the focus on that
since that could serve your cause much brighter...that much was clear.

[King_David]

20. OK

I can see it needs end here as some people can never admit they were wrong.


Cheers.

Have a great night.

[Jefferson23]

22. Please point it out..in a post..I am certain an expert like you, could do it. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

47. Dave doesn't do expertise.

He runs at the first sign of responsibility to answer.

[King_David]

8. String of Palestinian attacks has Israel fretting over potential new violent uprising Read more: ht

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/string-of-palestinian-attacks-has-israel-fretting-over-potential-new-violent-uprising-1.1608049

or


Atmospheric terrorism

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=6781


and it goes on and on...

[Jefferson23]

11. Really? This is evidence the OP is inaccurate?

"Politically, there is no sign of any hope and on the economic side there is no sign too," said Jihad Harb, a Palestinian commentator. "People are frustrated by political groups who failed to bring them independence, so therefore they behave individually."

Israeli leaders accuse the Palestinians of spreading hatred and incitement.

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/string-of-palestinian-attacks-has-israel-fretting-over-potential-new-violent-uprising-1.1608049#ixzz2ocaO85G3


How do you conclude that, King David.

[King_David]

14. I never said the OP was inaccurate,

I did say 972Mag was not credible, and it is not.

The model of Journalism at 972Mag in general is akin to :


http://badnewsfromthenetherlands.blogspot.ca/

[Jefferson23]

15. This is what you use to measure that 972 Mag is credible or not. You are relying

on a man who writes for Arutz Sheva, a pro settler publication.


Dr. Manfred Gerstenfeld's Articles
Dr. Manfred Gerstenfeld on Arutz Sheva (119)
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Author.aspx/908

[King_David]

16. Thank you, I never knew ,but ,I am not surprised ,Arutz Sheva and 972Mag are 2 peas in a pod...

On opposite sides of a circle where they intersect. Mondoweiss too and EI.

I never use any of them as sources.

That is why I said 972Mag uses same tactics and same credibility as Arutz Sheva.

It uses the same model as :

http://badnewsfromthenetherlands.blogspot.ca/

[Jefferson23]

17. I suggest you read your sources before you post. You're sorry? The guy who's

theory you believe is the same man who writes for arutz sheva..and no they are in no
way alike.

[King_David]

19. Same Modus operandi

There was no problem with the source as presented, it illustrates perfectly the two ,972Mag and Arutz Sheva are just as bad as each other.

[Jefferson23]

21. By your own admission, the 972 OP was not incredible..yet you think you can equate the two

by just saying so now..interesting.


The author, Manfred Gerstenfeld is your model for what is credible and what is not.

[Scootaloo]

27. Suggesting David read his sources? What blasphemy is this?

What next, suggesting he verify them, too?!

[Jefferson23]

30. lol. n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

25. That's completely untrue...

Arutz Sheba is an Islamophobic pro-settler rag. 972mag is written by Israeli left-wingers and isn't bigoted. 972mag is similar credibility wise as Ha'aretz, which I've seen you slam in the past. But given some of the sources you've used in the past, I'd be taking anything you said with a massive grain of salt...

[King_David]

26. Bye bye

I promised myself not to engage you in conversation and I am not.

''I'd be taking anything you said with a massive grain of salt...''

Please do, it is for the best.

[Violet_Crumble]

28. Make sure you keep that promise to yrself...

Considering that when I said I wasn't going to bother with yr posts, you were replying to mine, I suspect that'll be a promise you can't keep...

I doubt very much I'm the only one that takes anything you say with a grain of salt. I should go back and dig up some of the stinky sources you've used in the past to show others exactly what you do find credible as a source while slamming left-wing Israeli sources...

Have a lovely day!

[Israeli]

29. You are not alone ....

ref : " I doubt very much I'm the only one that takes anything you say with a grain of salt. "

[Violet_Crumble]

31. I was very sure I'm not alone in that....

Two major topics are sources and bigotry. Sorry, I'm on my new tablet and haven't worked out how to copy and paste yet, but after seeing the incessant attacks from Dave on 972mag where he claims it's not a credible source, only a few threads down from here, he posted an OP from the extremely RW NY Post. What was that he was saying about credibility of sources again? On bigotry, I pay no attention to the person who posted at DU2 that someone who says they hate Muslims isn't an Islamophobe. I can post a link to that if I can get on my laptop again. It was a real eye opener and an example of what a high bar is set by some for Islamophobia while the same person has an incredibly low bar for anti-Semitism (an example would be the thread in November where he insisted yellow was selected for stickers on supermarket items advising they were products made in Israel or the West Bank (can't remember which) was done on purpose because of the yellow stars the Nazis made Jews wear during the Holocaust. Even though people pointed out to Dave that yellow's a favoured colour in supermarkets coz of the visibility, and even though no-one in this forum agreed with him, he clung to it.

[oberliner]

54. Re-read the posts at your link

The "good" was in response to:

13. In legal precedent, Israel court stops demolition of unrecognized Bedouin village

[King_David]

41. Well I find you very informative and an asset to this discussion forum and never nasty.

Always polite and never display any malice.

I never take what you say (yourself and not your many many links) with a grain of salt.

My Aunt married a dude in Raanana that has a similar (misguided in my opinion) philosophy to yourself. And he is a friend .

[King_David]

32. "Make sure you keep that promise to yrself..."

You don't get it .

You don't get to order me around at all ever.

I don't "make sure " I do anything .

And as for your blah blah blah blah..

Your frustrated that you can not bully me ... Not sure why you think you can..

[Violet_Crumble]

55. I've kept New Years resolutions longer than you kept that promise, Dave...

Oh, well. There's always the next promise to look forward to. I might start even start a pool on how long it takes to break it.

You have as little a clue about what ordering someone round involves as you do about bullying, which you still equate with people responding to you trying to discuss an actual issue. The issue bit would be my post (#25) discussing sources and why there's a massive difference between LW Israeli sources and Arutz Sheva, which I suppose you stuck in the 'blah blah blah' category. You could always try to point out how that post is 'bullying' you, because I'm not bullying you and see nothing I've said that could be construed that way. Those who make false claims of bullying have to be aware that it's likely other DUers will use that same yardstick to them go through the posts of the person making the false claim and pointing to examples of where they've done the same or far worse...

So, while it's great to see you keeping the spirit of Meta alive, is there any possibility that you'll decide to respond to posts that are discussing actual issues with something other than complaining about other DUers?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

48. Bye bye means you have just ceded the argument, dave.

What a way to operate!


On edit. Temper temper, dave.

[oberliner]

39. Do you find this statement to be bigoted?

"I was raised as an observant Muslim, graduated from a religious school, but saw the light and turned atheist at the age of about 17."

[Jefferson23]

40. Do you? n/t

[oberliner]

42. Seems to have a negative connotation towards Muslims

Definitely rubs me the wrong way.

[Jefferson23]

43. Really? Not to me, when I read it, seemed in line with what you may find

expressed from anyone who feels an affinity to atheism.

[oberliner]

44. Fair enough

I think it's the "seeing the light" part that bugs me. Seems insensitive and pejorative.

[Jefferson23]

45. Think about it, anyone changing /converting to another religion, or no religion..see's the light..so

to speak. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

[oberliner]

46. Your point is taken

I just think there is a more tactful/respectful way to put it.

[Violet_Crumble]

56. No...

I'm pretty much in the same boat. I was raised Christian, went to church, got confirmed, and sometime during that period it dawned on me that I was an Atheist and I only attend church now for hatches, matches and dispatches. That doesn't make me an anti-Christian bigot. It just means I'm not into religion....

[azurnoir]

23. Alex Traiman sez it is a wave of Palestinian terror and it's what they do during 'peace' negotiation

and Alex Traiman should know after all he lives in Beit El which is located in the West Bank and made a movie called Iranium he's an xpert 4 shur

[azurnoir]

24. Kick n/t

[azurnoir]

33. kick for facts n/t

[King_David]

34. Lots of Facts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113455219

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113455223

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113455220

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113455142

[azurnoir]

35. so 19 dead Palestinians equates to nothing for you or do

they deserve to get shot as long as it's an Israeli bullet?

but yes we've all seen the flood of threads

[King_David]

36. Strange question,

How about tell us your opinion and if I want to I will express my opinion, instead of you expressing my opinion for me.

Did you get that from a Tarot card reader? Psychic? And you kicked for facts ? LOL

[azurnoir]

37. I asked you a question and now will ask several - are 19 dead Palestinians unimportant in this?

did this so called wave of Palestinian 'terror' happen simply because of so called peace negotiations?

is it possible that the wave of Israeli killings of Palestinians (unless of course 19 is not an uptick) happen as possible incitement or we're they in your opinion deserved deads?

[King_David]

38. Lots of reasons,

And most times terrorists do not need reasons, but history has shown terrorism increases whenever there is any kind of tiny positive movement in peace negotiations.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

50. Funny that you would bring that up since some of the founders of Israel

were terrorists who killed in the name of their own dogma.

I guess that at the time there must have been a positive movement that they had to crush and drive the British off. No?

[Niceguy1]

51. oh my god that's as bad as quoting Fox News

[Violet_Crumble]

57. What is, and how? n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

53. From the article...

Finally, announcing yet another settlement expansion during peace negotiations as Netanyahu is expected to do will not only crush any trace of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’s credibility – it is sure to encourage further violence. That Israeli President Shimon Peres argued “Gaza is not under any occupation,” implying that there is no fathomable reason for discontent in Gaza, is simply baffling. It means that the Israeli head of state has completely failed to grasp Palestinian political consciousness. Occupation in the West Bank is occupation in Gaza. It’s not that hard to understand.