Netanyahu looks to Belgium-Holland border for settlement solution

[azurnoir]

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has reportedly asked his cabinet secretary to investigate a highly complicated Dutch-Belgian border arrangement, under which citizens of one country live in enclaves within the other, as a possible precedent to enable Jewish settlers in the West Bank to remain under Israeli rule inside a future Palestinian state.

The prime minister has tasked Cabinet Secretary Avichai Mandelblit with researching the arrangements that prevail in the Belgian “Baarle-Hertog” and Dutch “Baarle-Nassau” areas — complex border arrangements that originated in a mixture of medieval treaties, land swaps, land sales and other agreements — to see whether they constitute a viable legal precedent for similar arrangements under which Jewish settlers could stay put within a Palestinian state, Israel’s Channel 2 news reported on Sunday night.

Taking a precedent from the Belgian-Dutch arrangements, which have been described as the “most complicated” in the world, was one of “many ideas” being contemplated by Netanyahu, the TV report said.

According to Channel 2 correspondent Udi Segal, after Netanyahu raised the idea in meetings, the National Security Council has compiled a comprehensive report addressing the practical aspects and legal precedents.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-looks-to-belgium-holland-border-for-settlement-solution/

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[Glorfindel]

1. Interesting...India and Bangladesh have a similar arrangement of enclaves

I can't imagine how they keep up with things!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Bangladesh_enclaves

[Jefferson23]

2. Alrighty then.

[Scootaloo]

3. Or could just drag the squatters back to Israel.

Where they can live under Israeli rule without silly stuff like this.

[Fozzledick]

4. Ethnic cleansing to create an apartheid state?

I see.

[Scootaloo]

5. Hardly

You're aware that the Israeli settlers are there in violation of international law, right?

[Fozzledick]

6. No, not at all.

I am aware that those who want to push the population of Israel into the sea often make that claim but no international court has ever ruled as such, that seems to be a rather tortured misinterpretation of "transfer of populations", Jordan has already forfeited any claim they may have had, and Israel has at least as much of a legitimate claim to the territory as anyone else, if not more.

You are aware that the aggressive war to destroy Israel that the Palestinians have joined in on and refuse to end is entirely and undeniably in gross violation of international law, right?

[Scootaloo]

7. Wow, you're having a bad day with facts

I am aware that those who want to push the population of Israel into the sea often make that claim

Opening with wild-eyed hyperbolic bullshit is a good way to start off.

but no international court has ever ruled as such,

Because it hasn't been brought to an international court yet, Fozzledick, because the Palestinians are still stringing themselves along on settling the issue through negotiation with Israel. However, the United Nations Security council, the General Assembly, International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Convention have all afformed that the 4th Geneva convention on acquisition of territory and transfers of population damn sure DO apply.

This renders this claim of yours:

that seems to be a rather tortured misinterpretation of "transfer of populations",

into utter nonsense.

Jordan has already forfeited any claim they may have had,

because Jordan formally recognized the Palestinian Liberation Organization, later the PA, as hte sole representative of the Palestinian people and their territories, thus stepping back from that role themselves.

and Israel has at least as much of a legitimate claim to the territory as anyone else, if not more.

Well no, nations do not have any claim to any territory outside their recognized borders. I mean that's really the entire damn point of borders, really.

You are aware that the aggressive war to destroy Israel that the Palestinians have joined in on and refuse to end is entirely and undeniably in gross violation of international law, right?

Someone who can't tell their ass from their elbows on such a simple notion as the function of borders really doesn't want to engage me in a full-on history lesson about the wars involving Israel.

[azurnoir]

8. no not "into the sea" and there is absolutely no tortured interpretation of anything needed

the forced transfer of the Palestinian population out of Area C will do along with Israel funding the transfers of it's population on to land not part of sovereign Israel. The tortured explanations are those attempting to obfuscate the truth and there you are again claiming aggressive war being waged by Palestinians where did we leave off on that one last time-again I'll pick it up there and I'd be more than glad to do on your LBN thread if you wish

[shaayecanaan]

10. so the state of Israel was guilty of ethnic cleansing

...when it withdrew all the settlers from Gaza?

No doubt you would support those Israelis responsible for the Gaza withdrawal being charged with crimes against humanity. After all, I'd hate to think that you were just talking out of your arse.

[King_David]

9. Maybe after Crimea becomes part if Russia with a " referendum "

A "fair" referendum and the world does nothing ( unfortunatly my prediction )
A percedent will be set for future referendums for blocks in occupied Palestine on which country to join.
That would suck big time .

[shaayecanaan]

11. you would deny the Ossetians

or the Crimean right to self determination? I guess that their national aspirations are not as important as those of Jews.

[King_David]

12. A precedent will be set

In a referendum if they secede occupied Crimea from Ukraine and join Russia... It could happen in other occupied states ... Ariel and Maale Adumim for example.

[shaayecanaan]

13. The precedent was already set

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_independence_precedent

[King_David]

14. OK then ... All set ...

[azurnoir]

15. yep from your wiki link

Yasser Abed Rabbo, a member of the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian negotiating team, said that if the United States and the majority of the European Union "have embraced the independence of Kosovo, why shouldn’t this happen with Palestine as well?"

[azurnoir]

16. are you confused? Ariel and Maale Adumim are not states they are

the colonies (more pc term is settlements) of the occupying state, built on militarily occupied land not the sovereign territory of the occupiers-now if you wish to have a referendum among Palestinians who are living in the West Bank as to whether or not they'd wish to continue being occupied or would rather have self determination then I'd say why yes-is that what you meant?

[King_David]

17. Not confused at all , Crimea is not a state either.

Maale Adumim can have a referendum , just like Crimea .

Precedent .

[azurnoir]

18. not the Palestinians only those that are citizens of the occupying country are allowed a referendum?

interesting

[King_David]

19. Nope

Everyone living in the area.

[azurnoir]

20. define the area please would that be the entire West Bank?

[King_David]

21. Mmmm

My original post said areas like Ariel and Maale Adumim.

[shaayecanaan]

22. You are a bit confused

Kosovo, South Ossetia etc are breakaway states.

If the residents of maale adumim held a referendum for independence, then presumably you would have them become the de facto independent republic of maale adumim, which is a bit like me and the neighbours in my street declaring a peoples' republic of Glendale, ie not exactly something to be taken seriously.

[King_David]

23. Not confused

Nobody will recognize Crimea as part of Russia either.