PLO: 56 Palestinians killed, 897 injured since peace talks began

[azurnoir]

Israeli military forces have killed 56 Palestinians and injured 897 since the resumption of peace negotiations with Israel in July, the Palestine Liberation Organization said Tuesday.

"Israeli violations of international law and human rights continued unabated. Rather than demonstrate goodwill during this period, Israel has done the opposite, with the aim of derailing the US peace efforts led by Secretary of State Kerry," a PLO statement said.

There have been over 500 settler attacks on Palestinian civilians and their property in the occupied West Bank and Israeli forces have arrested over 3,000 Palestinians in 3,767 military raids.

Israel has also begun work on 10,509 housing units in illegal settlement while simultaneously demolishing 146 Palestinian homes, the PLO said.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=682955

[shira]

1. Great. Another propaganda piece by racist Maan. If Zionists aren't shooting a zillion bullets....

...at the feet of Palestinian children who play FIFA soccer in an attempt to end their careers, they're off killing 56 Palestinians for no other reason than that they're Palestinians.

I wonder if any of these 56 were in any way associated with terror, like these 4 Hamasniks:

(Nov 2013) Israeli Strikes in Gaza Kill 4 Hamas Militants
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/02/world/middleeast/israeli-airstrike-kills-4-militants-in-gaza.html?_r=0

[azurnoir]

2. Maan gives the numbers not who so you're claiming it's false?

the settlement housing starts-detentions- number of those killed since the peace talks began what? Do you have different numbers?

[shira]

3. It's deliberately misleading propaganda. Lying by omission.

Wouldn't be much of a thrilling story if they said the vast majority were terrorists.

[azurnoir]

4. Nothing was misleading the dead are dead period what about the rest is that misleading too?

[shira]

5. Of course not. And Maan isn't racist. And that story about 10 bullets to the feet....

...of soccer players is also accurate.

And Israel is to blame for Palestinian refugees who cannot get out of Syria, not Abbas....

One lie after the next.

[Jefferson23]

7. More spam you can't back up with a news source..typical. n/t

[shira]

9. I quoted the NYT. How many terrorists are included within the 56 dead? n/t

[Jefferson23]

11. Don't play games, you're not good at it. Your spam is right here, in your continual

bogus claim about this OP: Great. Another propaganda piece by racist Maan. If Zionists aren't shooting a zillion bullets....

...at the feet of Palestinian children who play FIFA soccer in an attempt to end their careers, they're off killing 56 Palestinians for no other reason than that they're Palestinians.

So now you're trying to link it to another OP from the NYT.

You are so transparent...it's sad.

[shira]

17. Too bad u can't handle criticism of your go-to news source....

You're a pro at smearing every seemingly pro-Israel or neutral source out there.

But when the target is one of your favorites, you go all ape-shit.

[Jefferson23]

18. Too bad you still don't have a news source...then you might have a legitimate complaint.

But you don't.

[shira]

19. Got the best kind of evidence on their Facebook page. Busted! n/t

[Jefferson23]

20. I can't thank you enough for confirming what you find credible corroboration of a story

from the Elder of Zion blog..facebook. No news source, ok..good to know.

The next time Israel is accused of a crime, and it is listed on a blog with facebook as the
only source....I am sure you will accept that as corroborated fact.

[shira]

21. Same boys on Facebook as on websites devoted to the case. So busted.

Adam Johar's personal Facebook has a photo devoted to der Fuhrer:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=289686827774966&set=pb.100002009545740.-2207520000.1395053377.&type=3&theater

Again, here's the Palestinian group fansite (it's in Arabic so it requires translating) with all the photos that ElderofZiyon captured:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1381796345392719/

That group has 709 members! All ElderofZiyon stooges.....er, fans of the boys.

Were you under the impression that the Facebook page was created by some nasty rightwinger?

[Jefferson23]

24. More spam...I will recall this when Israel is accused and someone puts this up as

fact.

[shira]

26. Were you under the impression the Facebook page was setup by rightwingers?

It's an Arabic fansite devoted to the boys and setup last month, before The Nation article.

709 members.

[Jefferson23]

27. Spam away...when you find a news source, post it. n/t

[shira]

28. Don't u need a news source to back yr claims about PMW? Or Marcus? n/t

[Jefferson23]

29. Already posted from the judge..keep up. n/t

[Jefferson23]

6. Amnesty International, B'Tselem, have all documented these crimes and violations. n/t

[shira]

10. All 56 dead are crimes? No terrorists included within those 56? n/t

[Jefferson23]

12. Keep up, my post was to the OP, not your deflections. n/t

[azurnoir]

14. Nothing said about the deaths being a crime though just that they're dead

unless of course you believe in zombies?

[King_David]

8. Any Maan post needs cross reference

Otherwise all their articles are suspect .

[Jefferson23]

13. Spam is all you've got against Ma'an. n/t

[King_David]

15. Nope ,

But I'm Jewish , I take it personally when a newspaper repeatedly publishes antiSemitic filth like the essay they published on the Protocols bullshit. Pure unadulterated hateful shit that belongs on Stormfront .

I don't think anyone here on DU would support publishing that hateful anti Jewish shit ?

I am not that forgiving , it's not the 1st , 2nd or 3rd offense.
I was brought up in a Jewish family we were taught Never Again, no forgiveness here.

[Jefferson23]

16. Yea, like I said, your outrage about sources rings hollow considering sources you trust,

RW filth.

[King_David]

22. I don't trust extreme right wing

Stormfront type of sources or publications that publish Jew Hating filth like the essays Maan publishes.

[shira]

23. Well why the hell not? Maan's being posted here more often than ever! n/t

[Jefferson23]

25. lol, your posts and links say otherwise. n/t

[King_David]

30. Actually no I do not

And I think you know it .

[Jefferson23]

31. You have a documented record here, just like everyone else. n/t

[King_David]

32. Exactly right,

And I have never posted Stormfront , Rense , Zundel , Maan or David Duke ...

[Jefferson23]

33. Not the ones I am referring to..but you knew that. n/t

[King_David]

34. Here it is , the article published on Maan

I encourage everyone to use Google translate to read the filth antiSemitic Jew hatred essay published here.

And still up after the "expose"

http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533

[Jefferson23]

35. You really hate that judge's ruling, don't you...lol. You might have something here if not for

all the comments that are hateful toward Israel that remain on many websites.
No complaints from you on that score..this was a letter to the editor, not written by
the editor.

I see your still peddling a kick from Palwatch....classy guy.

I don't read Arabic btw, so I will have to take your word that it is awful.

[King_David]

38. No need to read Arabic

Google translate .

No judge ever ruled on this letter to the editor essay published by Maan .

It's absolute Jew hating filth as you can see.

Maan has had it up on its page for more than a month now and this antiSemitic extreme right wing filth of an essay is still prominently up there published by Maan.

And apparently the part that shocks me the most is that this filth of a publication is supported by some DU members here even though at least half of us posting here are targets of this filthy antiSemitic racist extremist essay.

Here's the essay , google translate does an adequate job translating this hateful filthy essay.

http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533

[Jefferson23]

39. Already discussed and explained. see post #35.

You're merely spamming at this point.

[King_David]

40. Not spamming

Approx half of us posting here are part of the minority group targeted by this gate speech promulgated by this racist newspaper .

[Jefferson23]

41. Go write and tell all the

publications to remove their numerous bigoted attacks on Palestinians that remain on many websites,
including Haaretz. The letter to the editor is still there, that is unfortunate, I suggest you complain
to all these publications. If you imagine you are rational to shut down Ma'an here then all your sources
will need to be included too.

Write Itamar Marcus, the racist, tell him to knock it off too...he is obsessed with his hate
of Palestinians.The judge did not buy his bullshit about Ma'an..try and remember that as you go forth with this
bogus campaign.

[King_David]

42. I'm worried how it affects me and my family

Being members of this minority group targeted by this Racist disgusting essay penned in this publication .

The other groups are taking care of their issues themselves.

This antiSemitic hateful bigoted essay against a minority published in Maan affects at least half of us posting in this group.

[Jefferson23]

43. Your outrage rings hollow just as your sources of Palwatch make clear..your true intentions. n/t

[King_David]

44. That's why we need deal with the Jew hatred ourselves

Nobody else cares.
That's why we support the Democratic Party in such large numbers AntiSemitism is not tolerated.

As far as Maan is concerned they are no longer considered a fair or reliable source.

And I'm pretty sure most people on DU would never accept antiSemitic racist hate filled rants on Rense Maan or David Duke --- all of which do a disservice to the Palestinian cause with their overt hatred of Jews .

[Jefferson23]

45. Palwatch good, although discredited by Israeli judge. Ma'an bad. Your agenda is very clear through

Itamar Marcus.

Sickening, but clear.

One letter to the editor versus a man who has spread numerous lies..interesting.

Who are you going to try and silence next, B'Tselem? lol

All the Itamar Marcus racists you can muster up will never erase Israel's human rights abuses, never.

[King_David]

46. How can you compare Betselem to a disgusting

Newspaper like Maan that has a recurrent history of publishing the most filthy racist anti Jew articles usually reserved for extremist right wing publications.

[Jefferson23]

47. Not according to an Israeli judge, no. You are spamming, but that is all that

Palwatch is capable of accomplishing. That is one reason she found him and his case a total failure.

A racist and settler on occupied Palestinian territory who tried to blame an entire people for incitement via
Ma'an, he failed. The lawsuit was based on 78 counts of incitement over 14 years. That is a large
passage of time to cover and he failed to make his case, as have you here.

But do keep up your support of the loser and your empty charges, since numerous publications
have comments that are contemptible against both parties in the conflict but they remain.

Maybe you can convince him to take this letter to the editor back to court and convince
the judge again that the publication is advocating anti-semitism.


B'Tselem has been a target of Palwatch..they despise accuracy on human rights abuse reported.

You have zero credibility on this topic, much like he does.

[King_David]

48. I have no interest in Palwatch nor support them

I do have an interest in the sick antiSemitic filth published by Maan .

No Israeli judge has ruled on this sick filth Maan published here.

http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533

It doesn't need a judge or Pal Watch to tell you what sick antiSemitic Jew hating filth Maan is publishing... Read it yourself.

[Jefferson23]

49. Your back peddling is too little and too late on Palwatch. As you have been kicking a thread up

today signed off by Palwatch with the intention to prove Ma'an a liar. A lie based on what an
anonymous Elder of Zion blog and facebook claim..no news source to confirm.

By your measure, no news source would be suitable to post on DU. I already indicated
and which you ignore, numerous publications have letters to editors and comments sections
that smack of racism against both parties and they remain posted, this include JPost and Haaretz, to
name two.

The failed case presented by Palwatch is relevant as it covered a long period of time
for Ma'an publications and other publications within the Palestinian media and they were
vindicated.


Yet you spam threads with bogus claims using a standard you do not employ for
other publications.


Your agenda is empty..you were out of gas before you even began...hypocritical to say the least.

[King_David]

51. Yes I kicked it up and will kick it again

In case there's anyone who doesn't know what a hateful bigoted anti Semitic anti minority publication Maan turned put to be.

Period.

[Jefferson23]

59. Thanks for confirming your support for Palwatch and anonymous bigoted blogs. n/t

[King_David]

62. Your posts and support if this extremist right wing

Jew baiting newspapers publication of this essay has been astoundingly revealing --- even for me.

You haven't even garnered any support from people here I thought woulda supported you in this and that's pretty revealing too.

[Jefferson23]

63. Yea, me and the judge, lol. It is sad how you are so desperate to disparage a Palestinian

publication, based on a letter to the editor...and Elder of Zion blog, and facebook.

I don't need you, just read the judge's ruling.

[King_David]

68. Pathetic that you've been told the judge did not even comment

In this hateful racist shit and yet you cling to that ridiculous "argument" to support this racist publication against a minority with a large number of posters in this group.

Here's the essay published in Maan:

http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533

[Jefferson23]

71. You presented an agenda with alleged facts from a racist settler who lives in the OPT.

Then he uses an anonymous blog that disparages not only Palestinians but people on the
political left. Then he adds facebook..no news source. Harretz btw, has used Ma'an as
a source when reporting the story themselves on the athletes.

The judge does not need to rule on the letter to the editor and I doubt that asshole
Marcus will be using the courts again.

Itamar Marcus recent history is he lost his case of incitement against the Palestinian
publications which came with a scathing rebuke from the judge for she did not only
see him as not a credible " expert" and his entire case was bogus.

Try, if it is possible, to use critical thinking skills, and ask yourself what this judge
would think of claims based on the evidence you have presented to disparage
the story of the athletes and make a claim of anti-semitism against Ma'an based
on a letter to the editor..which comes with a disclaimer. Then think about how
any judge is going to look at that and all the publications that leave racist
comments and editorials.

It is a desperate move you have made, and why it is so sad to witness and why your
opinion is deeply hypocritical. If you find Ma'an illegitimate you would need to disavow
yourself from just about every OP posted here..but your only focus is on a Palestinian
publication.

[King_David]

72. Here's the Jew Hating essay in Maan

http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533

Still standing .

Nobody needs take my word for it...

Easy to see for yourselves.

Indefensible unless someone agrees with this ugly Jew Hating Racist shot then a person could defend this filth...

http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533

[Jefferson23]

74. Right, and like all publications, comments that are repugnant are not usually removed.

Your focus and agenda is only about this Palestinian publication.

Judge says your sources are worthless.

[King_David]

77. Been for a month

It's not a comment it was chosen for publication and it's still standing 1 month later.

The judge you keep referencing in support of this filth had nothing to say about this filthy bigoted antiSemitic essay. At all ... He ruled way before the filth was ever published in Maan.

Astounding anyone could support this extreme right wing racist shit.


http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533

[Jefferson23]

78. Same thing...not by any means different..you can read a bigoted talk back on

just about any publication posted here. They are, generally speaking, never removed.

Israeli judge ruled against your sources...that's just the way it is.

[King_David]

80. I have no source ,I can read it myself on Maan.

As can anyone interested.

http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533

I have no interest in arguing with anyone supporting the publication of this racist Jew Haring filth .

I'll just say anyone sourcing Maan in the future may as well source Stormfront .

So defend away this racist publication .

The evidence is clear..
http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533


Bye bye

(Your reply will be "the judge the judge who ruled on some traffic ticket a year ago.. In Tel Aviv... yada yada)

http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533

[Jefferson23]

82. Yea, bye bye, because you have no case, just like Itamar Marcus had no case.

Findings, Israeli Judge finds Itamar Marcus not credible, loses cases of incitement against Palestinians:

http://972mag.com/judge-dismisses-credibility-of-palestinian-media-watch-testimony/78900/


Palestinian incitement: Genuine problem or right-wing dream?

http://eng.haokets.org/2014/02/22/palestinian-incitement-genuine-problem-or-right-wing-dream/


And I will add you have no evidence that a letter to the editor is any different from all
the publications you approve of, do not have the ability to screen and or remove posts
that would be deemed racist..none. On edit to add, they have the ability to do so, yet
most of these racist posts remain...and you have no problem with using them as a source
despite that fact.


Your focus of condemnation has been on Ma'an, a Palestinian publication.

[shira]

73. What evidence do u have that the athletes were shot 10 times in the feet?

Where are the photos or video?

We have photo evidence showing otherwise.

[Jefferson23]

76. Doesn't work that way..take your doubts and ask Harretz why they trusted Ma'an

when they used them as a trusted source.

I know, it is a Palestinian source. Palwatch can't handle that.

[shira]

81. Haaretz didn't report 10 shots to the foot. No evidence exists for that claim.

But counter-evidence clearly exists.

Deal with that.

[Jefferson23]

83. Huh? They used Ma'an as their source, period.

Difficult for some to deal with a Palestinian publication but not for Haaretz.

[shira]

85. No lies about ending careers by mutilating feet with multiple bullets. Try again, champ. n/t

[Jefferson23]

86. You are stating bullshit, as usual. Post a news source to back up your claim.

Still haven't found one and you hate being stuck with a Palestinian publication, despite
Haaretz trusting them.

[shira]

88. Here's Maan with the bullshit...

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=673479

Medical reports said that Jawhar was shot with 11 bullets, seven in his left foot, three in his right, and one in his left hand. Halabiya was shot once in each foot.

Can't wait to see the evidence. Have you seen it? Is it a secret for some reason?

[Jefferson23]

89. Yea, it's bullshit because you say so due to it being a Palestinian publication.

Harretz does not join you, that is why they used Ma'an as a verifying source.

Nor does an Israeli judge agree with you about Ma'an...only Itamar Marcus, the racist settler
living in the OPT agrees with you.

When you find a news source, post it.

[shira]

90. So no evidence. Haaretz doesn't claim 11 bullets to the feet. Don't pretend otherwise....

You don't have a damned thing proving the lie that this guy was shot 11 times in the feet.

Photographic evidence proves that's bullshit.

[Jefferson23]

92. You have no link to Harretz, interesting. I have nothing to pretend, I don't rely on

Palwatch, the proven non expert who lost his case in an Israeli court.

That's your high standard, that guy.

[shira]

93. It's not just Haaretz, it's Amira Hass...

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.572103

Nothing about 11 bullets to the feet.

And Hass reports they were throwing bombs, which is quite different than Maan making them into perfectly innocent soccer victims of the evil Zionist regime.

========

Still waiting.

Where's evidence of all these bullets to the feet?

[Jefferson23]

94. Ma'an reported on what the IDF claimed, stop misrepresenting..you learn this tactic from

Palwatch, I presume. You're faulting Hass for not updating what the physician was quoted
in the Ma'an coverage..unreal.


You should be cautious to claim Israel's innocence based, on their history it does not bode well
for them. Documented by B'Tselem their horrific treatment of Palestinian athletes:

Administrative detention
Mahmoud a-Sarsak, imprisoned in Israel for about 3 years, has been on a hunger strike for some 80 days and in danger of death
Published:
5 Jun 2012
Updated:
10 Jul 2012

Mhamoud a-Sarsak was released on 10 July 2012. On 19 June 2012, the media reported that Attorney Muhammad Jabarin, counsel for Mahmoud Sarsak, had reached an agreement with the Israeli authorities pursuant to which his client would stop his hunger strike and would be released on July 10th, and that meanwhile he would be under medical supervision. At that point, Sarsak ended his hunger strike.

Mahmoud a-Sarask. Photo from football team posterMahmoud a-Sarsak, imprisoned in Israel for about 3 years, has been on a hunger strike for some 80 days and in danger of death

Mahmoud a-Sarsak, age 25, a resident of the Rafah refugee camp in southern Gaza, has been imprisoned by Israel for the last three years under the Internment of Unlawful Combatants Law of 2002. Physicians for Human Rights-Israel report that a-Sarsak, who has been on a hunger strike for some 80 days, has lost a great deal of weight and that his life is in imminent danger.

The Israel Security Agency (ISA) did not permit a-Sarsak to be checked by independent physicians, and so PHR-Israel petitioned the court to allow one of its physicians to examine him. The petition was heard on 30 May 2012 in the Central District Court in Petakh Tikvah, and Judge Abraham Tal ruled that the ISA must set a date for the examination. Yesterday, the ISA notified the organization that the examination would take place tomorrow, 6 June 2012.

http://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/20120605_sarsak

Enjoy your hate fest on a Palestinian publication.

[shira]

95. Still no evidence of 11 bullets to the feet from you. No photos, nothing...

In fact there are photos online proving that claim is a lie.

[Jefferson23]

96. Of course there is, the Ma'an report quoted the doctor.

You don't believe it because it comes from a Palestinian publication..you made that
clear.

[shira]

97. That's not evidence. There's no visual evidence either...

Facebook photos on a fan site worshipping these 2 guys shows otherwise.

You don't believe the 2 boys on Facebook are the same 2 who were shot?

[azurnoir]

104. wait a minute here Maan reported what the doctors told them-you've been going on like it was Maan

who invented it-interesting and BTW shot 10 times doesn't say whether it was rubber bullets or live ammo

[Jefferson23]

105. lol, yea..a quoted physician is not a credible source..only in your world.

The word of Itamar Marcus, settler/loser and living in the OPT..great standards you have.

Post a news source that proves Ma'an wrong. Haaretz is fine with a Palestinian publication..just not you.

So is an Israeli judge btw.

[azurnoir]

36. still going on about a letter to the editor? Because that is what it was

but you already know that

[King_David]

37. Besides an extreme right wing hate publication

Do you know any other other of publication that would select a letter to the editor like this hate filled bigoted anti Jewish essay , publish it and then leave it there for more than a month now ?

There is no defense for this hate , letter to the editor or advertisement or 3rd party hate.

Maan has published extremist bigoted filth against Jews and people here are defending this hate publication .

http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=672533

[azurnoir]

50. No one is defending the letter to the editor published in Maáns Arabic version

what is in question is why the need to demonize or is it silence the English language version of an Arabic language Palestinian publication? Is Maan small making it an easy target, is that it? What about Al Jazeera's Arabic version? Is it too big for Itamar Marcus to take on?

No one bothers to go over Israeli publications in this manner, is it because they are pure or is it because the actions of a country and it's military speak much more loudly that the petty ramblings of an individual's letter to the editor?

[King_David]

52. The hateful essay against a minority group is still there

On this Maan publication .

People must realize this hate is tolerated and promoted by this publication , English Arabic or Swahili .

[azurnoir]

53. who is the minority group here? you claim it's antisemtic so your talking about Jews correct?

In Israel Jews are not a minority, now if you wish to go global Jews outnumber Palestinians 13 million Jews 11.4 million Palestinians, so really who's the minority here

I'm not claiming antisemitism doesn't exist or that i should be ignored but you said minority group and in this particular situation it is the Palestinians-if we were talking about any other country you's have a point though

and BTW if you to wish go that route, perhaps we should start publishing some of the Islamophobic hate talkbacks published daily in Israeli publications-in fact there's some at +972 that deserve some exposure here whaddya think-there were recent memorable ones there from one poster everything from Obama's secret Muslim advisers to how the only thing to do with Palestinians was kill them, but myself I think that stuff petty oh and don't get me started on stuff you see at Times of Israel, JPost, and Ynet

personally I think discussion of real world stuff is more important-but apparently some would rather stick to the petty

[King_David]

60. Jews are minority to the world

To Arabs
To Muslims
To Christians

This article in Maan is prejudice against a minority --- yes Jews .

[azurnoir]

61. But not to Palestinians unfortunately unless of course you wish to deny them a peoplehood

would that be the case?

[King_David]

65. Jews are a worldwide phenomenon

Israeli Jews are Majority within Israel .
Palestinian Arabs are majority within Palestine .

Arabs are majority in many countries and outnumber Jews in the world many many times over.

Jews are a minority in every single country except one .

This Maan essay was disgusting filth against all Jews in the world including myself and half of us posting in this group.

A filthy racist antiSemitic hateful attack against a minority published by Maan.

[azurnoir]

66. so you wish to lump Palestinians into a group defined by linguistics

there by denying them their right to their identity? As I said in my original comment if you speaking about any other country you would be right Jews are a minority, but not in Israel

and you'll find equally hateful stuff in talkbacks/LttE almost anywhere

[King_David]

67. Maan is a proven racist publication

And majority of Palestinians are Ethnic Arabs.

[azurnoir]

69. Arab is defined as speakers of the Arabic language not an ethnic group in the common sense n/t

[King_David]

70. You should tell Arab nationalists like Nasser

this good news.

I'm sure the Arab Nation will take your expertise under advisement.

[azurnoir]

84. Nasser was Egyptian and has been dead for 44 years n/t

[King_David]

87. Wow

You really know your stuff .

[King_David]

75. It's not enough that people who are not Jews keep telling us we not a people,

( talking in general not about you)
And now people who are not Arabs are stating they are not a people either.

Tooooo bizarre.

[azurnoir]

79. I am saying that Arab is defined by Arabic language speakers within that group there are like Jews

numerous nationalities and races, much like almost any other group for that matter Blacks, Asians, Whites you name it

[shira]

54. Maan is vulgar racist incitement and shouldn't be tolerated here.

Deflecting onto PMW is nothing but a diversionary look-over-there tactic used to defend posting future Maan incitement here.

[azurnoir]

55. I didn't 'deflect'on to PMW I pointed out a fact

this was a letter to the editor in Maan's Arabic version which Maan also publishes a disclaimer to, however if you wish to take this route perhaps we should be regular about it -print the talkbacks from Ynet JPost Times of Israel and oh +972 there are a couple commenters there that that are every bit as bigoted shall we?

personally IMO this is a diversion a tactic to avoid discussing the issues at hand

[shira]

56. The op-ed at Maan isn't a talkback & not even comparable.

Talkbacks at all online news sources (including the NYT) tend to be racist in one way or another.

There are no other reputable papers to compare this Maan incitement with. In no other papers do we see antisemitic neo-nazi op-eds like at Maan.

In addition, the latest Maan article on the Palestinian FIFA footballers was a hoax & therefore even more incitement. In no way can Maan be considered a credible news source.

[azurnoir]

57. bull it's a letter to the editor period and Maan also publishs a disclaimer those

and as for incitement wouldn't you call comments saying Palestinian stone thrower deserve to be shot incitement too?

[shira]

58. Bullshit, there are no such neo-nazi "letters to the editor" or op-eds....

...that can be found on any other news sites, disclaimer or not.

And that horseshit hoax story by Maan about 10 bullets to the feet is straight-up lying, racist incitement.

Not to mention the bullcrap from last week about Israel being responsible for Palestinian refugees trapped in Syria - not Abbas who says they're better off dead than renouncing their RoR.

It's all racist incitement that has no business being posted, let alone being defended here.

[azurnoir]

64. well I would guess we disagree about what's Left or Right as I would not call a member

of NGO Monitors board of directors and who publishes articles denying Palestinian refugees a Leftist

For part Maan is neither strictly Left or Right and in the English language version of Maan they regularly get comdemed for taking Israel's side

and oh a letter to the editor is not an op-ed as it not done by a journalist-just check out any news publication maybe you'll see the difference LttE are far more comparable to talkbacks because in essence that's what they are

[shira]

91. Name one reputable publication allowing comparable LttE filth. And let's see it. n/t

[azurnoir]

98. you wish us to believe that a LttE is the same as a OPED written by a bona fide journalist

as opposed to a talkback which is really what a LttE is as I said there are really good one especially at +972

[shira]

99. So besides redefining "breaking in" you're now redefining a LttE as a talkback

I'm pretty sure you don't even take yourself seriously.

[azurnoir]

101. LttE's like talkbacks are written by random readers not journalists as OPED's are

and like talkbacks Maan and every other publication that posts either have a disclaimer that states the opinions expressed by the readers do not represent the publication (something you've been quite studiously ignoring BTW) so yes they are the same in that respect where as OPEDs usually represent the publication and no disclaimer is used

[shira]

100. Note your change in stance since the last time Maan published an obscene racist piece...

You were convinced all was okay once they immediately deleted the article.

Now you're a-okay with something just as monstrous still on the site a month later, and counting...

Your standards are falling by the day.

[azurnoir]

102. what are even talking about ? I said pretty much the same thing then as I am now

except I did not point out that nasty hateful stuff is published all over place in Israeli publications too

[azurnoir]

103. Maan has been used here for years by both sides here in the I/P group or forum (DU2)

only now are you making some vengeful run at it why the seemingly over whelming need to silence Palestinian voices

or need I really ask?