Israel accepts truce plan; Hamas balks

[shira]

GAZA CITY — Israel on Tuesday accepted an Egyptian proposal for a cease-fire with Hamas in Gaza after a week of non-stop fire, but the Islamist militant group rejected the deal, saying it had not been consulted on its terms.

A senior Hamas official, Sami Abu Zuhri, called the proposal “unacceptable” and complained that Egyptians have not spoken with the Gaza leadership. The group’s armed wing, the Qassam Brigade, wrote on its Web site that the initiative was “not worth the ink it was written with” and “the resistance will continue until all the demands of our people are met.”

Israel reported several rockets launched over southern Israel just after 10 a.m. Sirens were going off in southern Israeli communities and in Sderot, indicating more rocket fire. A salvo of five rockets were seen launching from the center of Gaza at 11:15 a.m. Israel Defense Forces spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said the Israeli military was holding fire at the direction of the government, but will respond if Hamas and its allies continue to launch rockets.

In a televised press conference together with the German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier at the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv on Tuesday morning, Netanyahu said that “If Hamas rejects the Egyptian proposal and the rocket fire continues, which it looks like it does at the moment, then we are prepared to continue and intensify the operation against Hamas and we will get the support from the members of the international community.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-accepts-truce-plan-hamas-balks/2014/07/15/04373008-0bf5-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

For days there have been non-stop complaining about Palestinian casualties. So where are the cries from pro-Palestinians NOW for Hamas to stop firing rockets at Israel so all this can end?

Why the silence? Shouldn't there be worldwide outcry calling on Hamas to end their senseless and counterproductive attacks? If all these people who purport to care for Palestinians actually cared, they'd be begging Hamas to stop.

Where are they?

[NaturalHigh]

1. I wonder how the usual suspects will blame this on Israel.

[Fozzledick]

6. Shamelessly and self-righteously.

[shira]

7. you had to ask, didn't you? read this crap...

Radical leftwing Hamas apologists at +972 reject ceasefire. Apparently there hasn't been enough bloodshed yet...

http://972mag.com/what-does-israeli-acceptance-of-ceasefire-really-mean/93642/

The assholes at Mondoweiss and ElectronicIntifada are citing this trash, as they reject the ceasefire too.

[shaayecanaan]

2. ceasefire, not truce

According to al Jazeera hamas want a complete truce, no more arrests, no more assassinations in the west bank and no more air strikes for no more rockets.

Israel is only wanting to grant a bare ceasefire at this stage.

[King_David]

3. Yep , Egypt designed it that way,

Egyptian ceasefire proposal leaves Hamas cornered

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113468973

[shaayecanaan]

4. they're rooted either way to be honest

Hopefully the reconciliation can proceed after this is all finished and Gaza can begin to build again.

[shaayecanaan]

50. Yes

Other terms are knackered, buggered, stuffed. All of them are broadly equivalent to screwed, or fucked.

To have a root is to have a shag, a grind, a fuck. Ergo, you do not want to ask someone outside the US the name of the sports team for which they "root".

[azurnoir]

10. so are you saying Egypt purposely designed a 'cease fire' they suspected would be rejected by Hamas?

doesn't seem much like an honest broker to me, and sort of reduces the whole thing to what is called 'political theater', something that is very out of place in this situation

[King_David]

12. Hamas doesn't want to stop. Doesn't want a cease fire. Rejected a cease fire.

quelle surprise

[azurnoir]

13. well thanks and all but that really doesn't answer what I asked

Hamas did lay out what it found acceptable

The proposed truce would start on Tuesday morning, and be followed by talks on a long-term ceasefire.

Khaled al-Batch, a senior leader of the Islamic Jihad armed group, said that the group welcomed "Egypt's role and efforts to end the Israeli aggression and defend the Palestinian people" but will not accept the ceasefire without conditions.

"It is not acceptable to start observing a ceasefire for short term then negotiate the terms. We have experienced this in the past and it has failed," he said.

"What is needed now is to agree on the demands of the Palestinian people, chiefly ending the siege and opening the border corsing, then a zero hour can be agreed upon. Otherwise, history will repeat itself, period."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/hamas-rejects-egypt-ceasefire-plan-gaza-201471543638311569.html

[Fozzledick]

14. Hamas is demanding to be REWARDED for starting a war and getting Palestinians killed.

They're making extortionate demands not just on Israel but also on EGYPT for a temporary cease fire that would allow them to rearm and start over again, and rejecting any conditions that might lead to a real peace.

[azurnoir]

15. so ending the seige would not lead to peace in your mind?

is that because keeping it in place has or what?

[Fozzledick]

16. Ending the siege without a real peace settlement would just lead to more rocket attacks.

But you already know that.

[azurnoir]

17. would it now? again has keeping the siege intact lead to peace? n/t

[Fozzledick]

18. It's led to a reduction in Hamas' offensive capabilities.

WHY are you arguing against that?

[azurnoir]

19. I' m asking you questions and have twice now gotten accusations as part of your reply

I am not arguing for or against Hamas capabilities and how could I know what has not been tried

[Fozzledick]

20. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought your words had actual linguistic meaning.

I won't make that mistake again.

[azurnoir]

21. let's take a look at Israel's major military operation in Gaza since 2006 there have been 6 of them

June 2014 – Protective Edge

November 2012 – Pillar of Defense

December 2008 – Cast Lead

February 2008 – Hot Winter

June 2006 – Summer Rains

February 2006 – Lightning Strike

http://972mag.com/the-unfolding-lie-of-operation-protective-edge/93605/

have any of these brought peace?

[4Q2u2]

27. Those Dates

Magically coincide with rocket attacks from outside of Israel.
So were those operations responses or offensive?

[azurnoir]

28. there have been rocket attacks and bombing reprisals from Israel on an ongoing basis

these were major military operations all of which claimed to be sort of the "war to end all wars" sort of thing has that tactic worked?

[4Q2u2]

31. It is all Israel thinks it has

It's blockade is less violent but it was hammered for that tactic. It's Berlin Wall is supposed to be a non violent security measure, there were hammered for that. Hamas is not just going to stop until there is no Israel. They are barely welcome to the 2 State Solution. Flowers in their guns are not going to work.
I am open to your suggestions. I would like to know what alternatives are out there.

[azurnoir]

32. try this

The unfolding lie of Operation Protective Edge

An Israeli leadership truly interested in a peace agreement would not have driven its partner to the point of lacking any leadership authority among his people. But that is exactly the point. Israel is not really interested in peace or in a partner who can bring about peace.

http://972mag.com/the-unfolding-lie-of-operation-protective-edge/93605/

[King_David]

22. Bottom line Hamas rejected out of hand Egypt's cease fire proposal

Israel immediately accepted it .

Hamas fucked up before , during , and now.

How on earth can anyone believe they will be allowed to stay in the Palestinian government ?

[azurnoir]

26. yes Hamas rejected it and Israel accepted it in that order

making Hamas rather foolish and Israel's acceptance sort of meaningless in a real world way

the time stamps on these 2 threads show that

8:49 7/14 Hamas rejects

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=68951

2:48 am 7/15 Israel accepts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014846473

[King_David]

29. And that makes a difference ?

Israel's cabinet had to vote.
Terrorists rejected it immediately without even thinking . They don't really care - it is as it seems .

[azurnoir]

30. well it certainly made the outcome of Israels vote really neither here nor there didn't it?

as Israel already knew accepting the cease fire would amount to nothing in the reality on the ground

[King_David]

33. And that makes a difference because...

Israel accepted the cease fire, Hamas as expected rejected it .
The coming deaths and bloodshed is on Hamas . As usual.

[azurnoir]

36. I think you made the point for me - thanks

[King_David]

37. I agree

[azurnoir]

38. except as we shall review Hamas rejected and after that Israel accepted

makes a bit of a difference Israel's acceptance has made for a good show though

8:49 7/14 Hamas rejects

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=68951

2:48 am 7/15 Israel accepts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014846473

[King_David]

39. Hamas rejected this cease fire

And so the bloodshed continues.

Imagine how many lives would of been spared had Hamas accepted the Egyptian cease fire as Israel has?

Unfortunately no surprise .

[azurnoir]

40. Tell us do you think Israel felt it's acceptance would stop the bloodshed?

considering Hamas had already rejected the cease fire?

[King_David]

41. Israel accepted it ,

Had Hamas accepted it bloodshed would of stopped.

Hamas doesn't even need a formal cease fire --- if Hamas stops firing rockets Today-- the bloodshed stops.

Not in Hamas best interest to stop the bloodshed-

[azurnoir]

42. except as we will once again review Hamas had already rejected it at the time Israel accepted it

8:49 7/14 Hamas rejects

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=68951

2:48 am 7/15 Israel accepts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014846473

if indeed Hamas had not yet spoken it would be different

[King_David]

45. Anyone beside you think any of that is relevant ?

Kerry ? Abbas ?
Cameron ?
The people of Gaza?
A blogger or tweeter somewhere ?

[King_David]

43. Anybody else beside you think that timelines important ?

Kerry ?Abbas? Gazan People ?
A blogger somewhere?

[azurnoir]

44. do any of them post here? n/t

[King_David]

46. Ahh a personal theory

You should write a LTTE or something.

[shira]

8. Ali Abunimah retweets death better than ceasefire

https://twitter.com/WarpedMirrorPMB/status/488824988338638848

and then, Abunimah writes an article defending Hamas rejection of ceasefire:

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/hamas-did-not-reject-ceasefire-israel-did

[King_David]

23. True colors ..

[King_David]

35. He doesn't mean his own death,

He's bravely telling the Gazans their death is better than a cease fire.

[shira]

9. Mondoweiss shills for Hamas: "Understanding Hamas"

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/understanding-hamas.html

[King_David]

24. Mondoweiss ?

Who cares how you spell irrelevant.. May as well have been silver berg or Sdilverstein or scgnederstein or whatever his name is.

[shira]

25. They're taken seriously here on this forum....

...by Israel's harshest critics.

[shira]

11. Hamas shill Alex Kane (Mondoweiss) rejects ceasefire

https://twitter.com/alexbkane/status/489020949690204160

[King_David]

34. The White dude wannabe leaders of the Palestinian people telling them to fight on .

Of course it's not his blood or families dying because Hamas is hiding among them..

He's not even Palestinian .

My bet is most Gazans would of voted for a cease fire.

[shira]

48. Phonies @ Jewish Voice for Peace blast ceasefire too...

https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/489079462672465921

https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/489143711654109184

https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/489083241941327873

Same damned talking points as EI, Mondoweiss...

[shira]

49. BDS co-founder Omar Barghouti rejects ceasefire, sides w/ Hamas

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http://www.odsg.org/co/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3087:palestinians-totally-united-in-rejecting-egypts-pro-israel-proposal-for-ceasefire&catid=31:general&Itemid=41

NEW DELHI: The Palestinians have rejected the Egyptian proposal fr a ceasefire. The opposition is not restricted to Hamas that has of course made the first categorical announcement but to all shades of Palestinian opinion that feel it calls for “complete surrender of the Palestinian resistance.

Omar Barghouti who is a human rights activist the founding committee member of the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions Campaign against Israel told The Citizen from Ramallah that, “the so called Egyptian proposal, which is clearly a US-Israeli proposal with Egyptian packaging, reflects Israel’s predicament in its current bloody aggression on the besieged and occupied Gaza strip. The proposal is largely seen by Palestinian society as a lifeline thrown to save Israel after its failure to achieve any of its declared political objectives from the assault.”

Israel instead has lost public opinion across the world with massive demonstrations on its attack on innocent Palestinians reported from across the globe. As Barghouti said, “Israel’s current massacre in Gaza is premeditated, calculated and accurately executed to mete out severe pain on the 1.7 million Palestinians who live in that huge prison camp. That is not surprising, given Israel’s record of state terrorism.

[shira]

52. Richard Silverstein not only rejects ceasefire....

...but he responds with "You're Kidding" to B'tselem claim that Hamas rockets defy humanity & are morally reprehensible:

https://twitter.com/richards1052/status/489281982309072898

Makes excuses for Hamas rejecting ceasefire;
https://twitter.com/richards1052/status/489276344966979584
https://twitter.com/richards1052/status/489320032132816896
https://twitter.com/richards1052/status/489323221544890368