Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumGaza chose terrorism over building a Palestinian paradise
At such dismal times when projectiles are whizzing overhead and hearts are palpitating from the siren call of rockets, with Iron Dome batteries lighting up the sky and the hideous sight of dead Palestinian children paraded in front of TV cameras, lets engage in a moment of wishful, magical thinking, the alternative universe of what Gaza might have become after Israel had ended its occupation in 2005.
Lets call it: Its a Wonderful Life for Palestinians, a counter-narrative where warfare and bloodshed never happened because the Gazans were too busy preparing for a new nation. Today, instead of missiles raining down from all directions, Gazans might have been eyeing a bid to host the next World Cup.
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Nothing was inevitable. With Israels withdrawal there was a blank slate of possibilities. Today people speak of Israels naval blockade and restrictive border crossings (now imposed by Egypt, too) as reasons for why Gaza did not have a free hand in charting its future. But such restrictions on the flow of people and raw materials took place only once it became clear that for Hamas borders and ports are arteries for rockets, artillery, and the kidnapping of soldiers. If the Gazans had spent the last ten years importing equipment with which to build a new nation, there never would have been an Israeli blockade.
While were dreaming, its important to remember that Gaza is a beachside enclave right on the Mediterranean. For decades it has been an armpit of rubble and dust, but it had the potential to be the harbinger of a Palestinian paradise. If Hamas, fresh from its electoral victory over Fatah, had called up casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, as right-wing a supporter of Israel as there is, and suggested a partnership in casinos all along the strip, rather than firing rockets at civilians and martyring their own, Hamas would have been busy booking Tony Bennett and Britney Spears to headline its hotels for Christmas.
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There was a choice: Nation building or rocket launchings. We know what Gazans chose, a decision that was made permanent when they exercised their electoral franchise and Hamas came to power without city planners, architects, or finance wizards with MBAs. The message sent to the world was: Were not ready for statehood. Our diplomacy will focus on blowing things up rather than Palestine rising from the ground. Our tunnels will transport terrorists. All we desire is to obliterate the Zionist enemy with whatever means possible.
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.605297
msongs
(67,406 posts)Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)I keep asking the many times he's said that but he never answers.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)???
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)Wasn't addressing you.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)I thought you were msongs replying to me. My bad.
Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)enough
(13,259 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)When Israel withdrew from Gaza, they hardly left a region capable of becoming anything more than a ghetto. The Israelis maintained control of the Palestinian finances, access to power, access to movement, access to building materials. The minute Hamas won a fair election there, the Israelis tightened the screws even more.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)You know Gaza was fine before they started shooting rockets.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And after Hamas won the fair election they threw all the Palestinian opposition off the rooftops of Gaza and never held an election ever again .
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King_David
(14,851 posts)Palestinian militants ransack former Gush Katif greenhouses
Damage is irreparable; international donors had purchased the greenhouses from evacuated settlers for benefit of the Palestinians.
By Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondent
Published 00:00 10.02.06
http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/palestinian-militants-ransack-former-gush-katif-greenhouses-1.179788
(Palestinian Militants = Hamas)
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I'm sure you'll be ecstatic to read this and note the date is well after the supposed destruction by Palestinians
After overcoming numerous obstacles, the Palestinians said their main worry now is the Karni border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Israel, a source of blockage in the past and a focus of negotiations involving the Israelis, the Palestinians, the World Bank and even the U.S. secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice.
Still, the harvest, which begins in about 10 days, will be the first tangible measure of development in Gaza, which has been in an economic free fall for most of the past five years.
"We are employing thousands of people in these greenhouses," Jabir said during an interview in the former settlement of Gadid, in the southwest corner of Gaza, as he visited the flourishing greenhouses. "We kept the growing cycle intact. We have pumped a lot of money into the Gaza economy."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/27/world/africa/27iht-gaza.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
King_David
(14,851 posts)And returned to Israel as bombs- suicide or rocket.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Gaza had their own border w Egypt for trade, movement, transportation, etc. Israel left viable means of supporting an economy and was perfectly willing to buy their produce and provide aid and electricity. The plan under which Israel withdrew was agreed to by the Palestinians' own leaders, and no one at the time seemed to think that Gaza was being left in an untenable situation. It was an entirely fair opportunity, and one that the Israeli left had put a ton of political capital into achieving.
It was only hours after the withdrawal ended that the rockets began again. And yes, Israel reacted extremely negatively to Hamas getting elected. I'm aware that the election was fair, I'm just not sure why you think that makes a difference from Israel's perspective. If anything that makes it worse. It means the people legitimately chose to elect their worst chance for making peace with Israel, fully on purpose.
Of course there were repercussions to that vote. Had Hamas not been showering Sderot with rockets for weeks beforehand then perhaps that election's impact would've been mitigated.
But from Israel's perspective it had made concessions and taken political, economic and security risks in order to leave Gaza entirely. The right (Sharon) probably saw it as an opportunity to show everyone that they couldn't leave the WB. He expected Gaza to fuck it all up. The left thought it would be a blueprint of successful peace with Palestine. It was their policies finally being enacted on a large scale after all.
Well, they were wrong. Sucks, I was one of them. But that's what happened.
So why would any Israeli in their right mind stick with this same strategy for brokering a long term peace, and expect it to work any better than Gaza. Which is a disaster.
cali
(114,904 posts)sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)why did Hamas, IJ choose terrorism over building a paradise. The people of Gaza for the most part, would have loved to live in a paradise.
Hamas won a plurarity of the vote, so it should have been sharing power in Gaza, but took over full and absolute control via violence against Fatah backers.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 19, 2014, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)
that makes me think we ought to allow EI here too.