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Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 01:33 PM Jul 2014

Gaza chose terrorism over building a Palestinian paradise

At such dismal times when projectiles are whizzing overhead and hearts are palpitating from the siren call of rockets, with Iron Dome batteries lighting up the sky and the hideous sight of dead Palestinian children paraded in front of TV cameras, let’s engage in a moment of wishful, magical thinking, the alternative universe of what Gaza might have become after Israel had ended its occupation in 2005.

Let’s call it: “It’s a Wonderful Life” for Palestinians, a counter-narrative where warfare and bloodshed never happened because the Gazans were too busy preparing for a new nation. Today, instead of missiles raining down from all directions, Gazans might have been eyeing a bid to host the next World Cup.
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Nothing was inevitable. With Israel’s withdrawal there was a blank slate of possibilities. Today people speak of Israel’s naval blockade and restrictive border crossings (now imposed by Egypt, too) as reasons for why Gaza did not have a free hand in charting its future. But such restrictions on the flow of people and raw materials took place only once it became clear that for Hamas borders and ports are arteries for rockets, artillery, and the kidnapping of soldiers. If the Gazans had spent the last ten years importing equipment with which to build a new nation, there never would have been an Israeli blockade.

While we’re dreaming, it’s important to remember that Gaza is a beachside enclave right on the Mediterranean. For decades it has been an armpit of rubble and dust, but it had the potential to be the harbinger of a Palestinian paradise. If Hamas, fresh from its electoral victory over Fatah, had called up casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, as right-wing a supporter of Israel as there is, and suggested a partnership in casinos all along the strip, rather than firing rockets at civilians and martyring their own, Hamas would have been busy booking Tony Bennett and Britney Spears to headline its hotels for Christmas.
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There was a choice: Nation building or rocket launchings. We know what Gazans chose, a decision that was made permanent when they exercised their electoral franchise and Hamas came to power without city planners, architects, or finance wizards with MBA’s. The message sent to the world was: We’re not ready for statehood. Our diplomacy will focus on blowing things up rather than Palestine rising from the ground. Our tunnels will transport terrorists. All we desire is to obliterate the Zionist enemy with whatever means possible.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.605297

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Gaza chose terrorism over building a Palestinian paradise (Original Post) Fozzledick Jul 2014 OP
Israelites would never allow gaza to become such a place, never nt msongs Jul 2014 #1
Why not? That seems to be just what they were expecting when they withdrew. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #2
Who are the Israelites ? King_David Jul 2014 #11
I think maybe they're a Jamaican Ska band Fozzledick Jul 2014 #13
And you know this how? Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #3
Why don't you answer how you know it couldn't happen before you change the subject? Fozzledick Jul 2014 #6
Calm down fozzledick Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #8
Sorry, I got the thread tangled. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #9
No worries, mate! Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #10
Delusional. (nt) enough Jul 2014 #4
Can't you ever make a post that isn't 100% blatant Israeli propaganda? BillZBubb Jul 2014 #5
Can't you ever make a post that isn't 100% blatant anti-Israeli propaganda? Fozzledick Jul 2014 #7
Ever heard of the Gaza greenhouse and what happened to them? King_David Jul 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #14
Palestinian militants ransack former Gush Katif greenhouses King_David Jul 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #16
heres part of the 'ending'-Gaza greenhouses herald economic harvest azurnoir Jul 2014 #20
Then the greenhouses were stripped of every metal piece King_David Jul 2014 #22
Well. None of that is true. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #17
and you choose simplistic rah rah propaganda... every time. cali Jul 2014 #18
It really should be asked sabbat hunter Jul 2014 #19
It is the allowing of this sort of self-serving propaganda attack on Palestinians bemildred Jul 2014 #21

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
5. Can't you ever make a post that isn't 100% blatant Israeli propaganda?
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:46 PM
Jul 2014

When Israel withdrew from Gaza, they hardly left a region capable of becoming anything more than a ghetto. The Israelis maintained control of the Palestinian finances, access to power, access to movement, access to building materials. The minute Hamas won a fair election there, the Israelis tightened the screws even more.

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
7. Can't you ever make a post that isn't 100% blatant anti-Israeli propaganda?
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jul 2014

You know Gaza was fine before they started shooting rockets.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
12. Ever heard of the Gaza greenhouse and what happened to them?
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 05:03 PM
Jul 2014


And after Hamas won the fair election they threw all the Palestinian opposition off the rooftops of Gaza and never held an election ever again .

Response to King_David (Reply #12)

King_David

(14,851 posts)
15. Palestinian militants ransack former Gush Katif greenhouses
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jul 2014

Palestinian militants ransack former Gush Katif greenhouses
Damage is irreparable; international donors had purchased the greenhouses from evacuated settlers for benefit of the Palestinians.
By Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondent
Published 00:00 10.02.06


http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/palestinian-militants-ransack-former-gush-katif-greenhouses-1.179788


(Palestinian Militants = Hamas)

Response to King_David (Reply #15)

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
20. heres part of the 'ending'-Gaza greenhouses herald economic harvest
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 08:55 AM
Jul 2014

I'm sure you'll be ecstatic to read this and note the date is well after the supposed destruction by Palestinians

Less than three months after the Israelis departed, Palestinians have repaired scores of greenhouses left by the settlers, planted an autumn crop and are preparing to harvest an estimated $20 million worth of strawberries, cherry tomatoes, sweet peppers, and an array of herbs and spices. The produce is intended mostly for export to Europe, but some will also be headed to Israel, Arab countries and the United States.

After overcoming numerous obstacles, the Palestinians said their main worry now is the Karni border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Israel, a source of blockage in the past and a focus of negotiations involving the Israelis, the Palestinians, the World Bank and even the U.S. secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice.

Still, the harvest, which begins in about 10 days, will be the first tangible measure of development in Gaza, which has been in an economic free fall for most of the past five years.

"We are employing thousands of people in these greenhouses," Jabir said during an interview in the former settlement of Gadid, in the southwest corner of Gaza, as he visited the flourishing greenhouses. "We kept the growing cycle intact. We have pumped a lot of money into the Gaza economy."


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/27/world/africa/27iht-gaza.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

King_David

(14,851 posts)
22. Then the greenhouses were stripped of every metal piece
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 09:18 AM
Jul 2014

And returned to Israel as bombs- suicide or rocket.

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
17. Well. None of that is true.
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 05:52 AM
Jul 2014

Gaza had their own border w Egypt for trade, movement, transportation, etc. Israel left viable means of supporting an economy and was perfectly willing to buy their produce and provide aid and electricity. The plan under which Israel withdrew was agreed to by the Palestinians' own leaders, and no one at the time seemed to think that Gaza was being left in an untenable situation. It was an entirely fair opportunity, and one that the Israeli left had put a ton of political capital into achieving.

It was only hours after the withdrawal ended that the rockets began again. And yes, Israel reacted extremely negatively to Hamas getting elected. I'm aware that the election was fair, I'm just not sure why you think that makes a difference from Israel's perspective. If anything that makes it worse. It means the people legitimately chose to elect their worst chance for making peace with Israel, fully on purpose.

Of course there were repercussions to that vote. Had Hamas not been showering Sderot with rockets for weeks beforehand then perhaps that election's impact would've been mitigated.

But from Israel's perspective it had made concessions and taken political, economic and security risks in order to leave Gaza entirely. The right (Sharon) probably saw it as an opportunity to show everyone that they couldn't leave the WB. He expected Gaza to fuck it all up. The left thought it would be a blueprint of successful peace with Palestine. It was their policies finally being enacted on a large scale after all.

Well, they were wrong. Sucks, I was one of them. But that's what happened.

So why would any Israeli in their right mind stick with this same strategy for brokering a long term peace, and expect it to work any better than Gaza. Which is a disaster.

sabbat hunter

(6,829 posts)
19. It really should be asked
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 08:21 AM
Jul 2014

why did Hamas, IJ choose terrorism over building a paradise. The people of Gaza for the most part, would have loved to live in a paradise.
Hamas won a plurarity of the vote, so it should have been sharing power in Gaza, but took over full and absolute control via violence against Fatah backers.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
21. It is the allowing of this sort of self-serving propaganda attack on Palestinians
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 09:04 AM
Jul 2014

Last edited Sat Jul 19, 2014, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)

that makes me think we ought to allow EI here too.

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