Israel/Palestine
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Whatever the achievements of Israel's superior army and its anti-missile systems, and however appalling the devastation of Gaza, Hamas will survive, if only because Israel wants it to. The alternative jihadist anarchy that would turn Gaza into a Palestinian Somalia is simply too unbearable to contemplate.
Hamas leader Khaled Meshal's boastful rhetoric cannot hide the fact that Hamas's military power has been dealt a devastating blow. But, unless Israel is ready to pay an exceptionally high price in terms of its international standing by occupying Gaza and destroying its entire military hierarchy and arsenal, Hamas can still claim victory, having survived yet another onslaught by Israel's colossal military machine.
The superior power in an asymmetrical conflict always has a problem defining its objectives. In this case, Israel aspires to achieve "quiet" with few enough Palestinian civilian casualties to minimize international criticism. But the failure to achieve this goal is precisely where the superior power is defeated in asymmetrical conflicts. Moreover, "quiet" is not a strategic goal; nor is Israel's way of pursuing it a war every two or three years particularly convincing.
The real question is this: Assuming that Israel gets the quiet that it wants, what does it intend to do with Gaza in the future? And what does it intend to do with the Palestinian problem of which Gaza is an integral part?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101873291
bemildred
(90,061 posts)In recent weeks Israel has been engaged in a real boxing match with Hamas in Gaza. This is the third round in which we are called to face an enemy who will stop at nothing and will attack Israels vulnerable point which is - the lives of its citizens.
Israel is now at a decisive turning point and must choose between two options: Either it will deliver a crushing knockout that will destroy Hamas to the point where it will be unable to stand up on its feet in the political and military arena.
Or it will agree to a ceasefire that will enable a ruthless and merciless enemy to recover and rearm.
A ceasefire will grant Hamas terrorists time to reorganize, rearm and equip themselves anew, it will give them time to hide and move the ammunition arsenals that have now been exposed. It will also give them more time to produce new weapons and more time for the global media to de-legitimize Israel which would ultimately dwarf the achievement of Operation Protective Edge.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15414
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bemildred
(90,061 posts)The United Nations Security Council is theoretically a sort of sovereign in international law. If it designates a regime like that of Gaddafi in Libya as a threat to international peace, it can deputize the nations of the world to remove it. One major exception to UNSC authority is Israel, which routinely thumbs its nose at the world body while suffering no sanctions or other punishment.
Defying the UNSC can be extremely dangerous and costly. It demanded that Iraq dismantle its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs and destroy any stockpiles of such unconventional weapons, in a series of resolutions after the Gulf War. The Bush administration alleged that Iraqs President Saddam Hussein had declined completely to destroy those stockpiles and so was in violation of international law, and therefore claimed a sort of indirect sanction from the UNSC to invade and occupy Iraq in order to finish the job. (Unfortunately for Bush, the Baath regime in Iraq had in fact destroyed the stockpiles; this had not stopped Bush propagandists from continuing to this day to cite Saddam Husseins alleged defiance of the UNSC as a justification for the US war on Iraq.) Saddam Hussein was hanged in December 2006.
The UNSC demanded a decade or so ago that Iran mothball its civilian, peaceful nuclear enrichment program, aimed at gaining the capacity to fuel nuclear reactors to produce electricity. Iran refused, citing the pledge in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that guarantees all countries the right to close the fuel cycle. (Note that Israel went for broke to develop a nuclear warhead, of which it has several hundred, and never suffered any sanctions at all.)
As a result of the UNSC resolutions against Iran, the Obama administration was emboldened to impose a financial boycott on Iran, having it kicked off all the major banking exchanges and making it difficult or impossible for Iran to get paid for its petroleum. Then the US went around strong-arming countries like South Korea in a bid to force them to stop importing Iranian petroleum. A simple US congressional resolution would probably not have given the US the legitimacy to pursue this financial blockade against Iran, but the UNSC resolutions were much more persuasive, combined with US threats to sanction companies that traded with Iran.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/unlike_iraq_iran_libya_nkorea_israel_impunity_defying_unsc_gaza_20140729
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Ahmed is hungry. Eyes closed, he clutches his mother's breast and drinks, oblivious to everything around him. He ignores the rattling of the ceiling fan, dangling precariously. And he doesn't notice the dull thuds that cause the walls to shake and his mother, Marwat al-Asasma, to cringe. Sometimes his body trembles, and he balls his tiny hands into fists.
Her son now weighs a little over three kilograms (6.6 lbs.), says al-Asasma, 18, and he is healthy and gaining weight. She sounds as if she can hardly believe what she is saying. Ahmed is just over two weeks old -- born in the night when the Israelis sent their first tanks to the Gaza Strip border.
Ahmed is both a child of the war and one of its victims. Ten days after he was born, he lost his father, his grandparents and his home. His mother doesn't know how much is left of the family house. She remembers only dust and smoke, but is trying to forget even that.
She and her siblings used to live in Shejaiya, a suburb east of Gaza City. Now, though, no one lives there anymore. Shejaiya, where entire city blocks were demolished, now lies in ruins. The Israeli army, after identifying Shejaiya as a Hamas stronghold and a center of resistance, sent in tanks and combat units. At least 100 Palestinians were killed there on the Sunday before last. The exact casualty figures are unknown, but the Red Cross expects that there are significantly more dead, people who were burned to death, crushed or buried under the rubble of collapsed buildings, some of which were still smoldering days later. The ongoing fighting has made it difficult to recover the bodies.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/suffering-in-gaza-strip-increases-as-war-drags-on-a-983260.html#ref=rss
bemildred
(90,061 posts)---
I am a Zionist because the story of my forebears convinces me that Jews needed the homeland voted into existence by United Nations Resolution 181 of 1947, calling for the establishment of two states one Jewish, one Arab in Mandate Palestine. I am a Zionist who believes in the words of Israels founding charter of 1948 declaring that the nascent state would be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel.
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What I cannot accept, however, is the perversion of Zionism that has seen the inexorable growth of a Messianic Israeli nationalism claiming all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River; that has, for almost a half-century now, produced the systematic oppression of another people in the West Bank; that has led to the steady expansion of Israeli settlements on the very West Bank land of any Palestinian state; that isolates moderate Palestinians like Salam Fayyad in the name of divide-and-rule; that pursues policies that will make it impossible to remain a Jewish and democratic state; that seeks tactical advantage rather than the strategic breakthrough of a two-state peace; that blockades Gaza with 1.8 million people locked in its prison and is then surprised by the periodic eruptions of the inmates; and that responds disproportionately to attack in a way that kills hundreds of children.
This, as a Zionist, I cannot accept. Jews, above all people, know what oppression is. Children over millennia were the transmission belt of Jewish survival, the object of what the Israeli novelist Amos Oz and his daughter Fania Oz-Salzberger have called the intergenerational quizzing that ensures the passing of the torch. No argument, no Palestinian outrage or subterfuge, can gloss over what Jewish failure the killing of children in such numbers represents.
The Israeli case for the bombardment of Gaza could be foolproof. If Benjamin Netanyahu had made a good-faith effort to find common cause with Palestinian moderates for peace and been rebuffed, it would be. He has not. Hamas is vile. I would happily see it destroyed. But Hamas is also the product of a situation that Israel has reinforced rather than sought to resolve.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/opinion/roger-cohen-zionism-and-israels-war-with-hamas-in-gaza.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0
bemildred
(90,061 posts)GAZA CITY, Palestinian Territories (AFP) ― Bloodshed in and around Gaza surged Tuesday with strikes killing 13 Palestinians, a day after five Israeli soldiers died, shattering hopes for an end to three weeks of violence.
It was a bloody start to the three-day Muslim holiday of Eid al-Fitr which began on Monday, with international demands for an end to the fighting falling on increasingly deaf ears.
In the name of humanity, the violence must stop, pleaded U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon after holding long talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, urging him to stop the violence and heed international calls for a cease-fire.
But Netanyahu appeared determined to press the offensive.
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20140729000524
bemildred
(90,061 posts)A 16-year-old girl in Gaza has apparently live-tweeted a bomb attack by Israel.
Farah Baker, was at home with family when the bombardment began. She then seemingly tweeted throughout the night about the sound of bombs and rockets falling nearby, posting comments, audio clips and video footage on social media - including pictures of her six-year-old sister.
Her tweets are not geo-tagged, but they appear to be legitimate. It is believed she has been blogging and tweeting about the current situation in Gaza for the past three weeks.
This is in my area. I can't stop crying. I might die tonight, read one message that has been shared more than 10,000 times.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/10997610/Teen-Palestinian-girl-on-Twitter-live-tweets-Gaza-bomb-attack.html
bemildred
(90,061 posts)COPENHAGEN, July 29 -- Denmark's Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt has declined to sign a joint statement with her Nordic fellows that strongly criticizes Israel's actions in Gaza, local media reported Tuesday.
The social democratic leaders of Sweden, Norway, Iceland and Finland all attached their names to a letter which "condemns Israel's use of disproportionate violence" and calls on Israel to end its blockade of Gaza and occupation of the West Bank.
The message also calls on Israel to "stop its settlement policies."
However, as the only social democratic party leader who is also the head of a national government in the Nordic region, Thorning-Schmidt has chosen not to sign on to the strongly-worded message, according to the Danish news agency Ritzau.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/n/2014/0729/c90777-8762460.html
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Hamas operatives aim primarily to abduct soldiers and not to penetrate into civilian communities along the border with Gaza, a senior intelligence source said Monday.
The central objective is to kidnap a soldier, he said, to replicate the success of Gilad Shalit.
The assertion was borne out hours after the interview, when it became clear that a squad of Hamas gunmen had infiltrated into Israel Monday evening, near Kibbutz Nahal Oz, and directed their attack at an army post south of the kibbutz.
The Hamas squad launched an anti-tank missile at an army barracks adjacent to an IDF watchtower and then stormed the position, attempting to drag one of the soldiers into a tunnel. The soldiers in the tower, an army spokesperson said, identified an attempt to abduct a soldier, and opened fire, killing one of the attackers.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/soldiers-not-civilians-are-tunnel-infiltration-goals-says-senior-intelligence-source/
bemildred
(90,061 posts)wo employees of the United Nation's main agency in Gaza were killed on Tuesday as Israel stepped up its attacks on the enclave. Chris Gunness, spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), declined to provide any further details on the incident. Six U.N. workers have been killed during the ongoing offensive. Israel's nearly three-week incursion into the Gaza Strip has been punctuated by strikes on U.N. facilities and civilian centers. The U.N. has said Israel may have committed war crimes by shelling hospitals and homes where it claims Hamas is hiding personnel and rockets.
Bombing was especially heavy overnight, according to NBC News journalists in Gaza. The Palestinian death toll stands at 1,156, with 71 people killed on Tuesday. Fifty-three Israeli soldiers and three civilians have been killed since the beginning of the operation.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/united-nations-workers-killed-israel-steps-gaza-attacks-n167346
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Two people were killed on Tuesday by Israeli shelling of a United Nations Relief and Works Agency car in the northern part of the Gaza Strip, a Palestinian Health Ministry official said.
"The shelling left medical doctor Bashir al-Haggar dead along with his brother, Samir," Health Ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Qodra told Anadolu Agency.
Al-Qodra said earlier that ten Palestinians were killed by Israeli strikes on the northern Gaza Strip Jabalia camp.
United Nations personnel and Gaza's medical staff are proving not immune to Israeli strikes as Israel's shelling of the Gaza Strip, on that has been ongoing since July 7, has targeted these categories too.
http://www.aa.com.tr/en/rss/366192--israel-targets-unrwa-car-kills-2
oberliner
(58,724 posts)From the article:
There is only one way out of the Gaza tragedy that can provide justice to its many victims: The parties to the conflict and the regional actors now vying to act as mediators must leverage the ongoing calamity into a grand peace agenda.
This would mean launching a Marshall Plan to upgrade Gaza's infrastructure and improve social conditions. It would also entail lifting the blockade and opening Gaza to the world. The price Hamas would have to pay is complete disarmament and demilitarization of Gaza under international supervision, with Abbas's Palestinian Authority controlling the border crossings into Israel and Egypt.
Simultaneously, negotiations for a two-state solution should resume, with an unequivocal commitment by the United States and the other members of the so-called Middle East Quartet (the United Nations, the European Union, and Russia) to use all possible influence on the parties to prevent another failure.
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This is the answer.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)But Hamas is having a good time Bloodying Bibi's nose, and Bibi is not about to quit with a bloody nose, so I expect it will go on for some time yet.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's what I like best about your initial OP.
Regrettably, it's a solution not likely to be embraced by the powers that be.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Yeah, the solution has been laying there pretty much like that for some time now.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)A senior Palestinian Liberation Organisation official has said that all Palestinian factions, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad, have offered a 24-hour ceasefire in Gaza and "looked favourably" on a further two-day extension.
Yasser Abed Rabbo, a PLO executive committee member, said on Tuesday that the offer was agreed by all Palestinian factions and that a unified delegation could be sent to Cairo to talk about the next steps.
"The factions, including Hamas and Jihad, are prepared for a 24-hour truce and Israel will be held the responsible if it doesn't accept the truce as well," he said. "There is a proposal from the UN to extend the truce to 72 hours. And we look favorably upon that.
"All groups, including Hamas and Jihad, have agreed to send a unified delegation, which includes representatives from all of the Palestinian parties, to Cairo to talk about the next period.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/palestinians-offer-24-hour-truce-gaza-2014729123737270157.html
bemildred
(90,061 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)A Hamas spokesman said the group was open to a conference in Egypt over a cease-fire.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/07/29/Hamas-rejects-cease-fire-proposal-in-Gaza/1101406650891/
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Belgium advised retailers on Tuesday to clearly label the origin of products made in Israeli settlements that are in occupied territories where Palestinians seek statehood.
The non-binding recommendation has nothing to do with escalating conflict between Israel and Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip, the Belgian Economics Ministry said, noting that Britain and Denmark already had similar labeling in place.
It's a non-binding advice to state on labels that products originating from occupied territories come from there, a ministry spokeswoman said. We don't see this as a sanction against Israel, but EU rules stipulate that consumers have to be informed of the origins of products.
The ministry planned to send a letter to retail federations Tuesday recommending the use of such labels. Belgian retail federation Comeos and the Israeli Embassy in Brussels said they would not comment before the letter was issued.
http://www.voanews.com/content/belgium-urges-labeling-israeli-settlements-products/1967198.html
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)The prime minister is in talks with world leaders over a mechanism that would ensure that funds and materials allocated toward rebuilding Gaza don't sponsor terrorism, Israeli official says.
By Barak Ravid | 10:20 29.07.14
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants to establish an international framework for demilitarizing the Gaza Strip, supervising entry of people and goods into the enclave and preventing smuggling, a senior Israeli official said Monday. This mechanism will oversee the use of funds, building materials and arms in Gaza, in order to ensure that they are not used for terror.
According to the official, Netanyahu asked several foreign leaders for ideas on how the international community could assist in implementing these goals.
Dismantling the tunnels is a first and necessary step toward demilitarizing the Strip, Netanyahu said in a statement to the media on Monday. A mechanism for preventing the rearmament of terror organizations and a demilitarization of Gaza has to be part of any solution. The international community should forcefully insist on this.
Netanyahu delineated three areas in which international supervision can be involved. The first addresses Israels concerns that when hostilities cease, an international fund will be established, through which billions of dollars will be channeled from Arab states and Western countries toward rebuilding Gaza.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.607768
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I'm not going to comment today much, a lot of things are still murky.
However, Gaza must be rebuilt, lest Israel have it's own little Somalia next door. Bibi does not want to pay for it, as he has to pay for the war already, though no doubt the US Congress will help generously.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shit will hit the fan...but you know it's coming.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)once you leave out the civilians. This is starting to look like the Second Lebanon War (2006).
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)worrisome about Iran and Hizbullah.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Following 22 days of a conflict in which 1,100 Palestinians as well as 47 Israeli soldiers and three civilians have been killed, the Israeli Defence Forces at dawn on 29 July, bombed the headquarters of Al-Aqsa TV, the Hamas channel, located in the Nasser neighbourhood, northeast of Gaza City. Despite the destruction of some equipment and material, the station continued broadcasting via clandestine studios.
Forty-five minutes later, the Hamas radio station, Al-Aqsa, came under fire. Located in the Al-Shourouq building, in the Rimal neighbourhood of downtown Gaza City, the station went off the air after the attack. No employees were wounded.
The building houses a number of media bureaus, many of them damaged. The offices of Al-Aqsa TV in Burj Al-Shourouq had been hit by Israeli rocket fire two days earlier, on 27 July.
As the IDF Operation Protective Edge proceeds, a rocket hit the 15th floor of the building in Burj Al-Shurouq, in the Al-Rimal neighbourhood of Gaza City, that houses the station, according to Saad Radwan, the stations director general. The attack caused considerable physical damage including the destruction of some station equipment.
http://en.rsf.org/palestine-palestinian-media-including-hamas-29-07-2014,46716.html
bemildred
(90,061 posts)After three weeks of fighting in Gaza, the Israeli military has attained the goals set out for it, and the countrys political leadership needs to give it a new mission or pull troops out, a senior military official said Tuesday.
The unnamed officer, quoted in Israeli media reports, said it was unlikely Israel had found or would find every tunnel in use by Hamas to infiltrate into Israel the stated goal of the ground operation but the army had destroyed the ability to use the tunnels.
We have reached the goals that were defined for us, the officer said in media reports. The political leadership needs to make a decision if we are going in further or pulling out of the Gaza Strip.
The statement came a day after ceasefire efforts seemed to be pushed back as a several-day easing of hostilities gave way to heavy fighting, with multiple casualties on both sides. On Monday night, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the country should be prepared for a prolonged conflict.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pull-out-troops-or-give-army-new-mission-idf-officer-says/
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)reached out for) what that looks like, and if Hamas rejects it and why.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Once that happens there will be recriminations and investigations. The main thing I would want to know is whether anything substantive is addressed as a consequence this time.
And I also am curious about Hamas, in Gaza, what will they settle for? Will they get anything? They are really in control, weak as they are, at the moment. Nobody can make them stop shooting rockets, until they run out, and nobody really wants to go down in the tunnels after them.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Namely, what will change, and will it be for the greater good..has all this death
and devastation brought the powers involved a means to bring this to an end
once and for all? I too want to see what fall out there will be from all
the investigations. I do not see how Israel skates away from this like last
time, how many Goldstones can you rely on at the conclusion of these
reports and no one cries fowl?
The agreement to cease violence that Israel wanted no part of by Kerry, was that
rejected because they saw it as a means for Hamas to negotiate big ticket
items for information on the tunnels? If so, Israel will do all it can to diminish that
possibility, even though they know they can't penetrate it in the way
that would satisfy them. So, will the cease fire allow for penetration of
the tunnels without concessions from Israel that Hamas will agree to?
I say, hell no. Worrisome is, at what point Nasrallah and Iran would
enter the equation, if at all..no idea but they have gone on the record.
Meshal agrees to disarm, so how is it possible to reject this? Unless you are
willing to take the chance that you'll destroy enough of Gaza that brings the
people to their knees to disown Hamas..there seems to be an unclear affirmative
the people of Gaza will do that. They have lived in such horrific conditions, and
from what source were they to draw hope? Abbas, the US, the Arab League, Israel?
So what is left for a strategy that keeps the IDF from coming further into Gaza
and the tunnels with their booby traps? The IDF are only at the the border,
for now, they have not gone in further. The tunnels are evidently more sophisticated
than they were led to believe. It is striking that Hamas has an edge, but who
will help them parlay that into an agreement. Say what you will about them, but
I will go on the record, they look to be the one right now who may work for a lasting
deal. I would think their argument later regarding the settlements could be, look, you
have the info on the tunnels, we're disarmed, tell us why again the WB is
for your state? Those settlements just so happen to involve the precious land
and water resources..really< no coincidence there?
If Hamas does not get support by some influential means, and Israel gets enough
of what is reflected in that OP I posted earlier...about Bibi's plan for
permanent occupation? I'm sure you remember Friedman's piece many years
ago, how Gaza was going to be the Dubai on the Mediterranean, well we all
know how that turned out for Gaza. If Bibi gets his way, that same end result could
very well be the future of all of Palestine.
I don't want to imagine the types of resistance that could rise up from that, but
if I had to, I would venture Hamas will pale in comparison.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)WASHINGTON (AP) As the war in Gaza escalates, U.S. lawmakers are pressing the Obama administration to take no action that puts pressure on Israel to halt its military campaign against Hamas.
Many even have criticized the administration's effort to stop violence that has killed more than 1,100 Palestinians, mostly civilians, and more than 40 Israeli soldiers and three civilians this month.
"At times like this, people try to isolate Israel," House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Monday. "We are here to stand with Israel, not just as a broker or observer but as a strong partner and a trusted ally.
"What does that mean? Well, it doesn't mean issuing vague, on-the-one-hand, on-the-other-hand statements. No, it means backing up our words and showing solidarity with our friend."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/congess-full-support-israel
bemildred
(90,061 posts)GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Israel ordered residents of Zaytoun in central Gaza to evacuate, adding to more than 400,000 people who have been issued evacuation orders in the last two days.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=716804
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)"Gaza's sole power plant has stopped working due to Israeli shelling last night, which damaged the steam generator and later hit the fuel tanks which set them on fire," Fathi al-Sheikh Khalil told AFP.
The power authority also said that the damage could take up to a year to fix, meaning that already severe power outages in the besieged coastal enclave could be worsened even further.
As a result of an eight-year Israeli siege on Gaza that limits the supply of fuel into the Strip, power is only allotted in eight-hour stretches, with frequent cuts.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=716829
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Even if the Israeli establishment is displeased with this campaign's success over the Palestinian consciousness, it can take comfort in its impressive achievements in Israeli perceptions. Reports and commentary in the local media (and also to some degree in the foreign media), as well as bumper stickers, billboards and especially the dialogue on the social networks testify to the government's policies enjoying overwhelming support among the general public. Across the political spectrum, the Israeli public is lapping up the official line that Operation Protective Edge is a war of no choice. According to this narrative, the hundreds of infants and children buried beneath the ruins of buildings in Gaza (especially those used to hide tunnels or Hamas fighters and arms) are a pardonable necessity that cannot be condemned, as the bombing spared hundreds of Israeli infants and children from suffering a similar fate. Framing it this way justifies the deaths of 43 Israeli soldiers and four civilians as of today, July 28, and transforms the act of abiding the sirens and rushing to shelters into a means of contributing to the war effort.
One prominent example of this trend can be found on the Facebook page of popular radio and TV host Avri Gilad. In a status update, this journalist, who represents the left on a radio show, the Army Radio show "The Last Word," shared a text that he described as the most brilliant article Ive read over the course of this war. It put things in perspective for me. Gilad sent a deep thank you to the author, Guy Aloni, for helping him to understand that the State of Israel was faced with nothing less than an existential threat for the first time since the War of Independence.
This status update earned Gilad more than 19,000 shares to date (I cant remember ever seeing that many shares for anything else) and an even higher number of likes. In his update he presents a horror scenario that has since become a legacy for the Israeli masses. He says that the tunnels were actually the infrastructure for a ground invasion, and that Hamas planned to use them to send thousands of its troops into Israel, dressed in Israeli uniforms, to fire hundreds or even thousands of rockets into the center of the country and paralyze Israel's ability to organize against the invasions.
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/israel-protective-edge-right-left-support-avri-gilad.html#ixzz38s8Izfsf
stranger81
(2,345 posts)(1) What does Israel intend to do with Gaza in the future? Expel all the Palestinians to another country, perhaps Egypt, and resettle the entire territory with Jews only. See Moshe Deiglin's (Final) Gaza Solution.
(2) What does it intend to do with the Palestinians? Kill as many as possible, and expel the rest to other countries.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)It's a super secret plan that only you know about. Obviously.
Btw you missed the point of those questions. I recommend reading the whole article. Ben ami is an insightful individual.
stranger81
(2,345 posts)The whole world is watching.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Then I'm sure it's been thoroughly reported on.
stranger81
(2,345 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/israel-far-right-gaza-moshe-feiglin_n_5621667.html
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-israeli-deputy-speaker-calls-for-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza/article/392650
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Because all those stories seemed to be about a single person who has the reputation of being extremely non-representative of what most Israelis and Knesset members think.
That's all you've got? A single extremist? And you believe that he dictates Israeli policy because...?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asked for fresh US help in trying to broker a ceasefire in Gaza, top US diplomat John Kerry says.
"Last night we talked, and the prime minister talked to me about an idea and a possibility of a ceasefire," Kerry said on Tuesday.
"He raised it with me, as he has consistently," he said, adding that Netanyahu had said he "would embrace a ceasefire that permits Israel to protect itself against the tunnels and obviously not be disadvantaged for the great sacrifice they have made thus far".
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/30/israel-asks-us-help-gaza-truce
bemildred
(90,061 posts)- A chorus of naysayers emerged in the Israeli press, slamming him for meddling and trying to slow down Israeli advances in Gaza
- One journalist compared Kerry to a space alien who is unfamiliar with the dynamics on the ground
- US National Security Adviser Susan Rice and Israeli ambassador to the US Ron Dermer defended Kerry on Monday, but in soft language
- Obama wants Israel to agree to an 'immediate, unconditional humanitarian cease-fire'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2709792/Kerrys-cease-fire-aim-backed-Susan-Rice-Israeli-US-ambassador-Ron-Dermer-following-criticism-White-House-fuming.html
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Israeli TV is reporting that "all parties" have agreed to a ceasefire in Gaza, though timings have not been decided.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-07-29/israeli-tv-says-all-parties-agree-to-gaza-ceasefire/
bemildred
(90,061 posts)WASHINGTON: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asked for fresh US help in trying to broker a ceasefire in Gaza, top US diplomat John Kerry said Tuesday.
"Last night we talked, and the prime minister talked to me about an idea and a possibility of a ceasefire. He raised it with me, as he has consistently," Kerry said, adding Netanyahu had said he "would embrace a ceasefire that permits Israel to protect itself against the tunnels and obviously not be disadvantaged for the great sacrifice they have made thus far."
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/israeli-pm-has-asked-for-us-help-on-gaza-truce-john-kerry/articleshow/39249187.cms
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(90,061 posts)WASHINGTON (AP) Secretary of State John Kerry said Tuesday widespread criticism of his efforts to win a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas don't worry him and said he will continue to work toward that goal because Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu asked him to.
"I have taken hits before in politics, I am not worried about it," he told reporters at the State Department. "This is not about me."
Kerry said he is convinced that a humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza followed by negotiations to resolve the underlying causes of the conflict is "more appropriate" than continuing to wage war.
"I am not going to worry about personal attacks," he said, adding that he and President Barack Obama are convinced "it is more appropriate to try to resolve the underlying issues at a negotiating table than to continue a tit-for-tat of violence that will invite more violence and perhaps a greater downward spiral which would be much more difficult to recover from."
http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/Kerry-shrugs-off-Israeli-criticism-5654068.php
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(90,061 posts)Things seem confused.
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(90,061 posts)Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has asked for fresh US help in trying to broker a ceasefire in Gaza, top US diplomat John Kerry said Tuesday.
"Last night we talked, and the prime minister talked to me about an idea and a possibility of a ceasefire. He raised it with me, as he has consistently," Kerry said.
Netanyahu had said he "would embrace a ceasefire that permits Israel to protect itself against the tunnels and obviously not be disadvantaged for the great sacrifice they have made thus far."
The US secretary of state also dismissed a torrent of attacks in the Israeli press since his failed mediation attempt during a week-long Middle East trip last week. Many Israelis were enraged after the proposed text of the agreement - which was penned together with Hamas allies Turkey and Qatar - appeared to grant the Islamist terrorist group all of its key demands.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183490
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(90,061 posts)Brazil's Jewish community leader apologized to the administration of Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff for statements by the spokesman of Israel's foreign ministry after Brazil recalled its envoy over the Gaza conflict.
Claudio Lottenberg, the president of the Jewish Confederation of Brazil or CONIB, an umbrella body, apologized to Aloizio Mercadante, the Rousseff administration's chief of staff, for statements made by Israel's Yigal Palmor, who called Brazil a "diplomatic dwarf" and a politically irrelevant country, and made fun of the national soccer team's recent loss by 7 to 1 to Germany in the World Cup.
http://www.brazzilmag.com/component/content/article/136-july-2014/13103-jewish-leader-lambasts-israels-spokesman-for-brazilian-criticism.html
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(30,099 posts)By Zvi Bar'el | 17:04 29.07.14 |
A Palestinian delegation of representatives of Fatah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad were due to arrive in Cairo Tuesday to discuss a revised version of the Egyptian cease-fire proposal. The new element in the proposal is expected to be joint Palestinian consent to the deployment of members of the Palestinian Authority's Presidential Guard on the Gazan side of the Rafah border crossing with...
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.607856