IDF: 'Terrorists have violated the cease-fire'

[sabbat hunter]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/07/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Rockets launched from Gaza in to Israel.

Hamas is run by fucking morons.

[4now]

1. Both sides are terrorists.

[sabbat hunter]

6. you are equating

a small group of idiots inside israel with Hamas, who runs Gaza?

[FBaggins]

7. Yep... and ignoring the difference in how the two are viewed by the rest of their society.

What Israel would prosecute... Hamas celebrates.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

2. Do we know the rockets were launched by Hamas

or just jumping to the conclusion?

Not saying it might not be them, but to me it seems more likely thats its one of the smaller more extreme groups wanting to show they have bigger *bleep* then Hamas, i mean there are some groups there who actually believes Hamas is aligned/'bought' by Israel

[bemildred]

3. Senior official says Hamas not extending truce

CAIRO (AP) — A senior official says Hamas has decided not to extend a 72-hour cease-fire with Israel because Israel has rejected all of the group's demands in indirect talks in Cairo.

The cease-fire is to end at 0800 (0500 GMT) Friday.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was en route to informing Egyptian mediators of the decision.

The official says the Hamas delegation met for several hours early Friday with Egyptian officials. He says that in exchange for extending the truce, Hamas had demanded that Israel agree in principle to end Gaza's border closure and allow the rebuilding of Gaza.

http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Israeli-army-says-2-rockets-fired-from-Gaza-5675948.php

[kayecy]

4. Or to put it in a less biased way.....

Or to put it in a less biased way.....Israel refused to consider opening the sea access to Gaza so Hamas refused to stop firing rockets.

Anybody surprised?

[FBaggins]

5. When did "Less biased" become a synonym for "false" ?

Israel's position at the talks has been reported multiple times. They're clearly willing to open up the borders... but with a difference Palestinian group in charge.

That's what Hamas objects to. They have to be in charge of the rebuilding so that they can buy public support (and, of course, so they can re-arm).

[kayecy]

8. I don't suppose Hamas likes Netanyahu either.....

I don't suppose Hamas likes Netanyahu either.....You deal with the people in charge whether you like them or not.

Your's and Israel's distaste for dealing with Hamas seems a small thing when there is a chance to stop the killing............

[FBaggins]

9. Yet they appear to be able to work with him.

The "unable to work with" appears to be entirely on Hamas' side.

Your's and Israel's distaste for dealing with Hamas

It's not just us... it's apparently the other Palestinian groups... and Egypt... and a numbr of other arab nations. I'm not sure that there's anyone left on Hamas' side...

... except on DU of course.

[King_David]

10. Yep

On DU today on LBN I read quite a few posts breathlessly explains that Hamas never broke the cease fire or that it was Islamic jihad or that the rockets fall harmlessly in the desert so what's the big deal....

Here in DU.

[leftynyc]

11. Ain't that the truth

hamas government has more supporters right here than they do in any country in the mid-east. Nobody seems to be asking themselves why that is.

[FBaggins]

12. One has to wonder about their "supporters" in Gaza...

... given their habit of murdering people who don't support them enough.

[leftynyc]

13. So popular they refuse

to allow elections. The little darlings. The only support they get is from the far left Americans which I consider a stain on the Democratic party.

[sabbat hunter]

15. to be fair

Fatah didn't allow elections either.

[leftynyc]

16. Fair,

but really depressing.

[Spider Jerusalem]

14. Like it or not, Israel has to deal with Hamas.

Hamas are the elected party of government in Gaza. This is no different to the British government having to negotiate with Sinn Féin despite the Provos being effectively the armed wing of Sinn Féin and responsible for multiple terrorist actions.

[leftynyc]

17. Did Sinn Fein

disarm? Renounce violence? Anything like that? I really don't remember and am too lazy to look it up.

[Spider Jerusalem]

18. The Good Friday Agreement of 1997 set a date of May of 2000 for disarmament of paramilitaries.

In practice the IRA and Loyalist paramilitaries didn't decommission their weapons for some time after: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement#Decommissioning_and_normalisation

[leftynyc]

22. Thank you

for indulging my laziness and providing that link. Bill Clinton did a good job there. I wonder if something like that could work here. Hopefully it won't take hundreds of years.

[FBaggins]

19. Here's a question for you...

If republicans win a majority in the House and Senate, and then the White House two years later...

... then in a series of violent clashes, they kill many of the Democrats... then cease all elections.

Would you still consider them the elected party of Government in the US almost a decade later?

[Spider Jerusalem]

20. You're rather conveniently ignoring certain facts.

For instance the formation of a Hamas/Fatah unity government: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/27/us-palestinian-unity-government-idUSKBN0E71EG20140527

[FBaggins]

21. Sorry... does something in that deal make them elected again?

Also... we should note that Hamas has begun killing Fatah members in Gaza again.

A new meaning for "unity" I suppose... if it weren't so much like what happened after the last "unity", eh?