Apple founder Steve Woz Visited Israel and Gaza today, and this is what he found

[King_David]

Steve Wozniak is in Israel, and he has been engaging his facebook friends all day with his observations on the conflict. Here’s an account of what Woz had to say.

It started when Woz posted a picture of Jerusalem, with the following message attached.

Woz: “Had a good time visiting Jerusalem and Gaza Strip today. If Israel did not react, the rockets would continue anyway. If Hamas halted rockets, Israel would not attack them. Peace.”


http://www.appstorechronicle.com/2014/08/steve-wozniak-middle-east-rockets-bad-technology-iphones-good-technology.html

[King_David]

1. Boycott Apple !!

[Fred Sanders]

2. Glad he had a good time in the Gaza Strip...mind the dead bodies and rubble. Not a big sales area.

[King_David]

3. BDS. Apple , iPhone , iPad , Mac Air

[azurnoir]

4. Wozniak did not visit Gaza he only gave his sympathies and understanding to Israels bombing it n/t

[BillZBubb]

5. What a load of BS. Wozniak didn't go to Gaza, at least nowhere Israel didn't want him to go.

He merely cheer-leaded for the Israel atrocities committed there with the same old propaganda lines we always get from the apologists and cheerleaders.

[Fred Sanders]

7. So he is both a liar and a willing propaganda tool of the IDF and Big Bad Ben? Good to know.

[King_David]

9. You should boycott Apple

I still don't drunk a certain brand of beer that used to have homophobic proclamations.

[sabbat hunter]

11. which brand?

[gcomeau]

6. ahem...

"Woz: “Had a good time visiting Jerusalem and Gaza Strip today. If Israel did not react, the rockets would continue anyway."




Tell us more Woz...

[Fred Sanders]

8. The truth, it burns...please take it away, you are killing the propaganda with one graph.

[leftynyc]

13. If your graph showed ZERO

rockets up to the incursion you'd have a point. How many should Israel have to put up with before they fight back. I want a number.

[gcomeau]

14. You're kidding right?

Did you notice that none of them before that blue line up there were fired by Hamas? and the reason for that was Hamas was actively enforcing a ceasefire... until a ceasfire became meaningless what with all the exploding fucking buildings in Gaza?

Now can they enforce it perfectly? Of course not. there are hordes of completely justifiably furious people in Gaza that have an urge to fight back against what is being done to them. If Israel didn't like the trickle of rockets independent actors kept firing into it's territory (and mostly blowing up... well, dirt) then they should have considered taking the peace process seriously for once instead of just marching settlements forward and provoking things day after day after day while openly insulting the people attempting to resolve the situation in anything resembling a humane fashion until something finally broke and then blaming the victims for fighting back.

[King_David]

15. You talking about Hamas the terrorist organization ?

[gcomeau]

16. Yes, I am. And?

I'm also talking about the government of Israel that is actively subjugating an entire ethnic group and then getting outraged when they shoot back and playing an entire deck of victim cards.

[Shaktimaan]

36. An entire ethnic group?

I'm pretty sure that's not even a little true.

[gcomeau]

39. Pretty sure that's the exact literal description.

And oh look, there they go again.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014885545

Get a ceasefire, immediately illegally appropriate more land in the West Bank. Send the clearest possible signal that no matter what you're just going to keep taking and taking until the Palestinians have no land left.

Because THAT will make them not want to violently resist...

This government has ZERO interest in any peaceful resolution to the situation. Face it, they prefer Hamas shooting because they can just use it as an excuse to keep pushing forward while pointing the finger at the other side.

[King_David]

17. "rockets independent actors kept firing "

Nothing happens without Hamas' knowledge consent in Gaza , otherwise Hamas rounds you up labels you as an Israeli collaborator and murders you in the central square or mosque.

[gcomeau]

18. I was unaware Hamas possessed omniscience and omnipotence.

What a fascinating revelation.


And yes, I can just see Hamas labeling people who fire rockets at Isreal "Israeli collaborators".

[King_David]

19. The point is they don't

And yes they are the military terrorist government there , nothing gets done in Gaza without there consent especially firing rockets at Jews .
Don't need to possess omniscience and omnipotence.

[gcomeau]

20. Thank you for repeating the claim that Hamas is omnipotent and knows all

... otherwise I might have thought you were joking, rather than delusional.

And actually yes, in order to have absolute knowledge of every single thing that happens and the ability to prevent absolutely anything they don't want from happening they DO in fact need omniscience and omnipotence. It's kind of the definition of the claim you're making.

[King_David]

21. Guess you don't really realize how small and densely populated Gaza is

And what it takes to fire rockets .

Never been to the area huh ?

[Israeli]

22. ....is this when you try and convince all of us that you ....

.....have been " to the area huh ? " ..... as a medic maybe

[King_David]

25. And we not even sure your from Israel

Anything is possible I guess.

[Israeli]

26. " We " ....

Is that the royal we .... your majesty ?

[King_David]

28. Plural for more than one

Same as : ani / anachnu

[gcomeau]

23. Actually I have been to the area.

Spent quite a period of time staying in Ashkelon in fact. I do support for equipment our company has at Intel and they have a Fab in Kiryat Gat. Feel free to refer to a map to determine how familiar with the area around Gaza that might make me.

And what it takes to fire rockets depends on the rocket. I can fire a rocket from my back yard.

And I'm perfectly familiar with how small and densely populated Gaza is. Namely, it's approximately the equivalent size of Detroit, with about 2.5 times the population

Consider the difficulties in packing 1.8 million people into Detroit and then claiming to be able to know what everyone in Detroit is doing at all times and being able to intervene to prevent every person in that city from doing anything you disapprove of before they do it.

Anyone who thinks that is possible is a lunatic.

[King_David]

24. Anyone who thinks it's possible for a group to assemble and fire off rockets from

Gaza without Hamas ' knowledge is foolish and delusional too .


I'm not talking about you of course because you sound well informed and much smarter than most posters in this group.

[Israeli]

29. Ahhhh ...

flattery gcomeau .....and from a King !!

[King_David]

30. Yes we are very polite in Artzot Habrit

[3rdwaydem]

31. You're exactly right!

[King_David]

33. Yes I am

And I do not really believe anyone really thinks otherwise.

[Shaktimaan]

35. So to be sure I understand...

Hamas began firing rockets in response to Israeli strikes, which killed several militants, including one Hamas member. Those strikes were themselves a response to rocket fire from Gaza into Israel. Rockets that you seem to consider a justified response, (victims fighting back), to the failed peace talks, which you hold Israel responsible for.

So in your view, Israel had no right to respond to the rocket attacks from Gaza. And it was that response, (Israel attacking rocket crews and a tunnel into Israel), which triggered the end of the ceasefire, instigating a response from Hamas.

No right to respond because Hamas wasn't the perpetrator, and because those attacks were merely "victims finally fighting back?"

[Shaktimaan]

37. Um. No.

Did you notice that none of them before that blue line up there were fired by Hamas? and the reason for that was Hamas was actively enforcing a ceasefire

It's because the blue line marks the first Hamas rocket in the graph. There would have been zero Hamas rockets before that line regardless of anything. The blue line marks Hamas' direct involvement in rocket attacks. Had they actually been enforcing a cease fire then we wouldn't see any rockets to the left of that line at all. It's irrelevant who fired them from Israel's perspective.

Oh, and the line's in the wrong spot anyway. Hamas began firing rockets and mortars in early June; the day after Israel hit the rocket team, killing one Hamas member and several other militants. Around the 4th sometime.

[Scootaloo]

10. Cool story, bro

Steve Wozniak can quote Netanyahu (poorly). Ooooh, ahhhh.

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. smiles down at her Samsung Smart phone!

[oberliner]

32. Samsung comes out of the ‘Israel closet’

Yet another major multinational technology company has “come out” about its Israel connection. Korean tech giant Samsung, it turns out, has two major R&D facilities in Israel, and the local engineering staff was largely responsible for a number of Samsung technologies – including a sensor used in the upcoming Galaxy S3 smart camera and cellphone

The news about the development of the sensor at Samsung’s Israel R&D labs was presented Tuesday at the annual conference of Israel’s Hi-Tech Industry Association in Jerusalem by Dr. Nam-Sung (Stephen) Woo, president of Samsung’s Device Solution’s System LSI Business. And it’s not just the sensor, said Dr. Yiwan Wong of Samsung’s System LSI Business. “All of the camera’s processing technology, the wiping and other special effects, were done in Israel.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/samsung-comes-out-of-the-israel-closet-2/

[King_David]

34. Ha ha

[VanillaRhapsody]

38. touche...but did one of their founders come out and endorse the bombing?

I don't think so....

and just 2 parts makes them guilty of supporting? Is that like saying any product R&D'd in the U.S. supported the invasion of Iraq by George Bush!

[oberliner]

40. Woz no longer has anything to do with Apple

Not sure how his comments about Israel now are germane to whether or not you will use Apple products.

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. I never have...it surely won't influence me TO do so....