Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumWill BDS become another form of ritualized solidarity?
Friends of Palestine the churches, NGOS and the UN are difficult to categorize as friends only. If by friends we mean the willingness to sacrifice their status, political and religious connections and wealth or even a significant portion of it for Palestinian freedom. Better to call these friends interested parties.
Friends of Palestine will go out on the Palestinian limb up to a point. Theyre unwilling to test the strength of the limb as they go further. Instead, they stop and appeal to others who could be friends of Palestine too. Unfortunately those appealed to have interests that lie elsewhere. So it goes.
The dance that follows is what I call ritualized solidarity. Its better than nothing but not enough.
Is BDS any different? At this point, I believe it is to some extent. But there are unexpected dangers ahead. As we act, we should also think carefully lest BDS become yet another form of ritualized solidarity. In the end, BDS supporters may have no choice in the matter. Those driving the peace train are much more powerful than movements of dissent, including BDS.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/another-ritualized-solidarity#sthash.eVSckgj1.dpuf
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)now I'll hand it to the author here he's a bit more clever than the one who wrote this bit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113486160
but this passage truly shows his mettle wherein attempts to make BDS seems a hopeless why bother enterprise, which seems to be his aim here
See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/another-ritualized-solidarity#sthash.eVSckgj1.EkbkODq2.dpuf
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Edward Said, Professor Susannah Heschel, Elliot Dorff and Desmund Tutu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_H._Ellis
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just out of curiosity, do you actively participate in the BDS movement in any capacity yourself?
Do you take any steps to avoid purchasing Israeli goods, for example?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)minimizes the movement?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Curious to get thoughts from others who are actually involved in the movement.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Like about how there are internal issues within the movement that may work against its success.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I do find it amusing when people post Chomsky and Finkelstein, attempting to
portray them as being opposed to BDS. They're clear what they feel are the
weaknesses..in their opinion. They also give them credit for all the success
they have achieved..although BDS may not feel it is the support they would
prefer from the two.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)My own personal view is that the movement could be redesigned as something really productive. I would weed out the "pig head" element and embrace the idea of a two-state solution. I would also limit any boycotts to the OT rather than Israel proper. I think that would generate more positive energy towards reaching a solution and would, in the end, get a broader level of support for a result that is more universally embraced. Generally speaking though the concept is not one that I personally would favor as I think there are much more effective ways to work towards achieving a peaceful and equitable solution to the conflict. I think there are too many people involved with BDS who have goals and aspirations not entirely consistent with those.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)if the author attempted to do that or not before he wrote the OP..but
Mondoweiss gave him a platform to express his opinion, which is good,
I think. Perhaps they will respond, public or private, I don't know.
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 6, 2014, 07:26 PM - Edit history (1)
I wouldn't support it even if they advocated 2 states (not one) and completely rid themselves of pig's head activists, stopped sponsoring bigots like Alison Weir, etc. IMHO, this would guarantee their movement couldn't be labeled anti-semitic. I think it would significantly advance the Palestinian cause towards their own state, but they would never do it as they'd lose the vast majority of their activists and supporters who are anti-Israel bigots. It's not about helping Palestinians get their own state. The motivation behind BDS has never been about a Palestinian state in peace alongside Israel. It's about getting the Jews.
If they did what you suggest, I doubt they'd retain even 1% of their current activists and supporters.