Meshaal: Calm in the face of settlement expansion and desecration of Al-Aqsa is a national sin

[Jefferson23]

November 10, 2014



Khaled Meshaal, the head of Hamas, warned against any plans that aim to prohibit the war against settlement expansion and the Judaisation of Al-Aqsa and described this as a national sin that will not succeed in its attempts.

Meshaal emphasised his belief that Israel is implementing these tactics on Al-Aqsa's platform in order to trigger a greater Arab, Islamic and Palestinian reaction.

In an interview with Al-Sharq, Meshaal confirmed his belief that it was time for the world to hear the Ummah's cries of resistance against the Judaisation of Jerusalem and its holy sites. He went on to say that the only way to abort Israel's mission of Judaisation was to revolt in the face of the occupation.

The Hamas leader called on Arab leaders, particularly Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Morocco, to do their part, by virtue of their regional positions, to liberate Al-Aqsa because this issue is a pan-Arab and Muslim issue and not a Palestinian issue alone.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/15193-meshaal-calm-in-the-face-of-settlement-expansion-and-desecration-of-al-aqsa-is-a-national-sin

[oberliner]

1. What constituted "desecration" of Al-Aqsa?

A Jew getting too close to it?

[Jefferson23]

2. I don't know, ask the IDF that question when they shoot to kill a Palestinian kid

who dares to be near the border fence, oberliner.

[oberliner]

3. I am asking about what Meshal means by "desecrating Al-Aqsa"

How was Al-Aqsa desecrated?

If he had said the IDF must never shoot a Palestinian child just because they dare to be near a border fence, I would not be confused by such a statement.

What I am asking about is what he means by the desecration of Al-Aqsa.

[Jefferson23]

4. Have the last few weeks been so difficult for you to comprehend?

Date: 10/11/2014 |

Iranian NGO condemns desecration of Al-Aqsa Mosque

Tehran, Nov 10, IRNA - Iran's Society for the Defense of the Palestinian Nation (SDPN) in a statement on Monday condemned desecration of Al-Aqsa Mosque by the Zionist regime.
[Iranian NGO condemns desecration of Al-Aqsa Mosque]

All the Zionist regime's measures are doomed to failure as before, the statement added.
It said that the Zionist regime should respect laws and international conventions on human rights and humanitarian laws.

Last week, Israeli troops closed Al-Aqsa Mosque for the first time since 1967 and prevented the worshipers from accessing the holy site.


The Al-Aqsa compound, located in the Israeli-occupied Old City of Al-Quds, is a holy Islamic site.

http://www.irna.ir/en/News/2784054/

[sabbat hunter]

5. just a suggestion

I would not use Iranian sources to back up your side. They are not exactly unbiased or even handed. The fact that they call it the 'zionist regime' should speak volumes.

It may claim to be an NGO, but the Islamic Republic News Agency really is an arm of the government. It is a propaganda piece, nothing more nothing less.

[shira]

7. The whole point of using Iranian or Hamas media....

....is to paint Israel in the darkest light imaginable. Our opponent friends here have adopted the anti-Israel narratives of Hamas and Iran wholesale.

You won't find our opponents here bashing what the head of Hamas says about Israel. In fact, the person who posted the IP thinks Hamas is less radical and extreme than Netanyahu.

[Jefferson23]

10. In this case it is accurate...it speaks to oberliners confusion regarding the term,

desecrated. I understand Iran's weaknesses regarding human rights, they're not
a free society..nor are the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation.

[oberliner]

23. Thanks, I appreciate that

Always like to learn new things from fellow DUers.

Confusion has been rectified!

[azurnoir]

6. well since you asked-Police enter the mosque

On Wednesday, Israeli forces stormed the Aqsa compound, for the first time since 1967 reaching al-Qibli Mosque, the main mosque within the compound. Policemen entered the mosque while carrying weapons and keeping their shoes on, which was perceived as a provocative desecration of one of the holiest places for Muslims. According to the Palestinian media reports, Israeli police assaulted worshippers inside the mosque, firing tear gas, stun grenades and rubber bullets, injuring many.

Many Palestinians were outraged by their understanding that the purpose of the police attack was to forcefully push Muslim worshippers out of the mosque’s courtyards in order to allow the entry of Israeli settlers. According to Al-Hayat al-Jadida, the Palestinian Authority’s official daily newspaper, this incident is what led Ibrahim Al-Akari to carry out a deadly attack with his car later the same day.

http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-media-is-saying-about-the-jerusalem-violence/98495/

[shira]

8. Jews praying silently outside on the plaza is desecration....

...according to the Supremacists who see the grounds as holy only to them.

Israel policing the area after violent attacks is a desecration. Obviously, the violence should continue unabated according to the Supremacists and their western friends.

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To the non-religious friends of Hamas, acknowledging that the Temple Mount area is the holiest place on earth to Jews is forbidden, as it affords Jews historical rights to the area or land. Acknowledging a Jewish connection to the place or land of Israel hurts the Palestinian cause. This is why you never ever see even one bit of outrage at the many reports of the Waqf digging up & making rubbish out of ancient Jewish artifacts under al-Aqsa, only to later throw them into garbage dumps.

The supremacists see only Palestinians as having rights to the land and the holy sites. Jews have no rights.

[shira]

9. Meshaal's problem is that he thinks Jews have their place....

....and that place is to be subjugated as 2nd or 3rd class citizens under Islamist rule. Jews controlling their own destiny in their own homeland is religious sacrilege to supremacists who cannot see Jews as anything other than accursed 2nd or 3rd class citizens.

This isn't difficult to comprehend. They say it all the fucking time...

[Jefferson23]

11. The irony of your posts..too much, some days...carry on, shira. n/t

[shira]

12. That's your Palestinian cause. Remember Meshaal and gang...

....are less extreme than Bibi in your view.



Nevermind their racist genocidal goals and actions (even against their own people).

[Jefferson23]

13. Read the Likud charter, educate yourself. You going on about racists is pretty funny. n/t

[shira]

14. As bad as Likud is, they don't call for genocide...

They don't incite towards genocide nor praise murderers.

Hamas does exactly that, and tries their best to murder innocent Jews. Not to mention Hamas' treatment of its own women, gays, and religious minorities who don't live up to their supremacist religious standards.

[Jefferson23]

15. After you read their charter, read their human rights record and their history, their

creator..Begin. Nice terrorist.

Where would Bibi be without Hamas..they brought their relevance up again during and
after OPE....it's how they think, shira.

[shira]

16. Our Republicans would be far worse in a similar situation....

...to that of Likud. I'm not sure any other rightwing government in the world would act more reserved in the face of similar national security threats.

Meanwhile, you cannot acknowledge Hamas' genocidal intent or their human rights record that makes Likud look saintly in comparison. Imagine Likud acting like Hamas. You'd have a field day (and so would I) mocking and condemning them.

If the Temple Mount Messianic Kahanists ran the show with Baruch Goldstein in charge of a fascist totalitarian state, that would be a better comparison to Hamas. And yet you continue to insist Hamas isn't all that bad...

Why all the deflection and running cover for Hamas crimes?

[Jefferson23]

17. Who are the Republicans occupying? Note, you're claiming, would be far worse.

I focus on who the aggressor is and who has the political and military capital behind
them...that's Israel.

[shira]

18. Again with deflections about illegal occupation?

How would Republicans react to terror attacks on its civilians?

War vs. Iraq, Afghanistan. Total losses of life far more excessive than the Israel/Arab conflict combined since 1948.

I predict you'll try to deflect again...

[Jefferson23]

19. You're looking to sanitize Begin, but I'm deflecting...bye. n/t

[shira]

20. Begin made peace with Egypt, ended settlements in Sinai....

...and here you are trying to make him appear worse than Hamas.

If he were Baruch Goldstein running a fascist totalitarian shit hole and against peace with Egypt, you'd have a point.

But you don't.

[Jefferson23]

21. They didn't have much choice and again, read the Likud charter..NO Palestinian state.

Enjoy the last word, I won't be back.

[shira]

22. Netanyahu is Likud & he has called for a Palestinian state....

Unlike other PM's of Israel, he put a 10-month settlement freeze in effect, as well as other freezes that were never announced. He tried offering 60% of the W.Bank to the PA as well.

[azurnoir]

24. ooh Netanyahu offered the Palestinians 60% of their own land I'm impressed

got any more what about that other wonderful offer you used to keep going on about

[King_David]

25. It's gonna take negotiations

As to it being their own land? I agree for peace the West Bank should be returned with land swaps .

Jerusalem is a different story , it never was Palestinian land to begin with and this will need major negotiations and painful sacrifice on both sides or there will be no solution- ever.

[azurnoir]

26. we've had 20 years of so called negotiations time for something different

the problem is that negotiation seem to indicate that the 2 sides are equal when they are not and Israel has unabashedly used this as a pretext to increase the settler population in the West Bank and East Jerusalem by at minimum 300% , no more of this BS

[Jefferson23]

27. Exactly. n/t

[shira]

28. 20 years of Palestinian rejection of their own viable state....

....free of occupation and settlements, with their own capital in Jerusalem and compensation for refugees.

Maybe it's time to acknowledge the Palestinians aren't really looking for their own viable state if it means having to coexist peacefully with a secure and free Jewish state.

[azurnoir]

31. Lol on what 60% of their internationally recognized land?

ya right

[shira]

34. Over 90% according to Haaretz....

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.532236

[King_David]

30. Without negotiations there's nothing but status quo

There is nothing else.

[azurnoir]

32. Time will tell and by status quo do you mean Israels ontinued encroachment of Palestinian land ?

because that is indeed a strange definition of status quo

[shira]

29. During the Kerry talks Bibi went much further...

By late January, the Americans believed that their strategy of patient engagement with Netanyahu was finally paying off. After months of painstaking negotiations over every word in the framework, the prime minister had accepted once-unthinkable language. On refugees, the document would promise monetary compensation to Palestinians displaced in Israel’s War of Independence (and, separately, to Jews who left their homes in the Arab world). It also stated clearly that “the Palestinian refugee problem” would be solved within the new Palestinian state. But, in a groundbreaking departure from Israeli policy and his previous statements, Netanyahu agreed to a mechanism whereby Israel—at its sole discretion—would admit some refugees on a humanitarian basis. The more dramatic Netanyahu concession, however, concerned borders. After decades of railing against any mention of the 1967 lines, Netanyahu accepted that “[t]he new secure and recognized border between Israel and Palestine will be negotiated based on the 1967 lines with mutual agreed swaps.” Said one Israeli official: “If the Israeli public knew back in February that Netanyahu agreed to include this sentence in the framework, it would have created a political earthquake.”

On other issues, though, Netanyahu was less amenable. Most notably, he rejected any explicit mention of the formula Prime Ministers Barak and Olmert had accepted for Jerusalem (Jewish neighborhoods for Israel; Arab neighborhoods for Palestine) and was prepared to accept only vague wording that spoke of “Palestinian aspirations” for a capital in the holy city. He also considered it essential that Israel be acknowledged as “the nation-state of the Jewish people,” a phrase the Americans inserted into the document against Abbas's strong objections (while clarifying that such recognition not abridge the rights of Israel’s Arab citizens). Despite Palestinian reservations about some of the evolving document’s language—Indyk was negotiating with Erekat in parallel—Kerry truly believed the gaps could be bridged with creativity and ambiguity.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118751/how-israel-palestine-peace-deal-died

[azurnoir]

33. nothing there backs up the lastest claim which BTW is not what was said here

shira (23,030 posts)
22. Netanyahu is Likud & he has called for a Palestinian state....

Unlike other PM's of Israel, he put a 10-month settlement freeze in effect, as well as other freezes that were never announced. He tried offering 60% of the W.Bank to the PA as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=86910

[shira]

35. Huh? In addition to the New Republic article there's this from Haaretz...

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.532236

But do keep making excuses for Palestinian rejectionism.

[azurnoir]

37. from an anonymous 'Likud minister' in June of 2013?

please keep 'em coming

[shira]

39. Ahh, the smell of more denial. Keep trucking, Az.

At the same time, tell us again how Hamas wants a peaceful 2 state resolution.

[azurnoir]

41. I've never said Hamas wants anything as you claim, and the only thing I smell is dinner cooking

maybe senses re off or something

shira
39. Ahh, the smell of more denial. Keep trucking, Az.

View profile
At the same time, tell us again how Hamas wants a peaceful 2 state resolution.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113486759#post39

[Jefferson23]

36. You put this up as a defense of Bibi...to portray him as making some great concessions?

Btw, do you understand what sole discretion means for Israel?

[shira]

38. You keep saying Bibi won't allow for a viable 2 state solution....

...but there's evidence he will give up more than 90% of the W.Bank based on '67 lines, will compensate refugees, and share Jerusalem.

That's viable. Not quite the Clinton Parameters or Olmert's plan, but close nonetheless.

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But no worries. Let's just pretend Bibi wants to annex everything for a greater Israel.

[Jefferson23]

40. For crying out loud..stop with the propaganda.

Keep in mind Bibi and his wacko cabinet went poof in Kerry's face with settlement announcements.
Why did they do that if they wanted a peace deal?

That deal favored Israel, not viable for the Palestinians.

[shira]

42. Stop making false claims that are easy to counter. n/t

[Jefferson23]

43. Glad you cleared that up, shira..in your mind.n/t