Obama: ‘Still a big gap’ in negotiations with Iran

[King_David]

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(JTA) — President Obama tamped down expectations about brokering a nuclear deal with Iran before the upcoming deadline.
“There’s still a big gap,” Obama told “Face the Nation” host Bob Schieffer on Sunday on the 60th anniversary broadcast of the CBS program. “We may not be able to get there.”
Nov. 24 is the deadline for a nuclear deal between Iran and six world powers. American negotiators in recent weeks have sounded more optimistic about achieving an agreement.
Obama said there have been “significant negotiations.”
Israel rejects any deal that allows Iran to continue enriching uranium at even minimal levels, which it is believed that a nuclear deal with Iran will include. Israel believes any enrichment capacity leaves Iran as a nuclear threshold state.
Meanwhile, Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, posted Sunday on his official Twitter account a plan to eliminate Israel, or what he called the “fake Zionist regime.”
“The elimination of Israel does not mean the massacre of the Jewish people in the region,” he said.
The plan, which Khamenei believes will be palatable to the international community, calls for a referendum by “all the original people of Palestine including Muslims, Christians and Jews wherever they are.”


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[Jefferson23]

1. Thank goodness Bibi is a chickenshit...attacking Iran would be an act of insane proportions.

Show the world your arsenal, Bibi...Prince of Peace.

[King_David]

3. Iran’s Khamenei: No Cure for Barbaric Israel but Annihilation

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei took to Twitter to call for the destruction of Israel over the weekend. He first started with a string of vitriolic anti-Israel tweets that called for the destruction of the “barbaric, wolflike & infanticidal regime of Israel.”



http://www.democraticunderground.com/113486658

[Jefferson23]

4. What has Israel begged for years on Iran? hmm.

Occupying people for 50 years makes you a lousy neighbor.

[King_David]

7. If not for the occupation Iran would accept the Jewish State?

I don't think that's right ...

This hate fest by the mega Iran chief has nothing to do with the occupation.

[Jefferson23]

8. That's Bibi talk.n/t

[King_David]

9. That's offensive

Especially since what I said was true.

Emes

[Jefferson23]

10. What I said is factual..he talks just like that. n/t

[King_David]

11. The Iranian Megalomaniac talks like this :

“a practical & logical mechanism” to eliminate Israel

This barbaric, wolflike & infanticidal regime of #Israel which spares no crime has no cure but to be annihilated.

Why should & how can #Israel be eliminated?

And he wants a Nuke too.

[Jefferson23]

12. As I said, that's Bibi talk..Israel under Bibi, threatening and lying his ass off about

Iran, all the while they have an arsenal of their own. He's done all he can with the help
of AIPAC to undermine Obama...great guy, that Netanyahu.

When will he talk about them and sign the NPT? hmm

[King_David]

13. This Chief Hater of Iran just threatened the existence

Of the Jewish state , Bibi talk aside.

He threatened to end Israel.

And now he wants a nuke.

[Jefferson23]

14. Not in the way you're implying..no nukes.

Keep in mind Likud's charter, Likuds threats to Iran and what they've done to
them in the past.

They don't want a nuke, especially that guy.

Where is Israel on their nukes? Sealed lips, as always and always playing the victim
in the ME. They're lousy neighbors.

[King_David]

15. Back to what this chief Hater said

He threatened the existence of the Jewish State and wants to rid The area of almost all Jews.

And now wants a nuke .

What Bibi said is irrelevant.

This guy says what he wants and now wants a nuke - no matter what th Likud charter says - he wants rid the area of Jews ... Even those supporting Meretz.

[Jefferson23]

16. That's exactly how Bibi spins it, every time. You're both on the same page. n/t

[King_David]

17. That's offensive and insulting and simply not true and if someone told you you were on the same page

As the dude your protecting and minimizing his hate here , the post would be hidden.

[Jefferson23]

18. I am not responsible for what propaganda you believe.

That is what Bibi believes and spreads around..don't like it, don't spread it.

[King_David]

19. It's not a "belief" the chief of Iran the grand leader

The Ayatollah in charge , the head of the government, the guy with his future "finger in the switch" who has a hate on for Jews and actually threatened and promised the demise of Israel and clearing the area of almost all Jews... Said those things.

I'll kick up Oberliners thread in case you forgot the things he said.


( although I have an inkling you will excuse the hate with some deflection on Bibis words or some other irrellavence thing like the Likud charter or Egozi chocolate)

[Jefferson23]

20. Oh please, like I said..his threats and violence perpetuated at Iran, a soverign nation, by

Israel via assassinations and worse..spare me the Bibi crap. He is still trying to undermine
Obama...Netanyahu and his crazy cabinet are the threat to peace and have been for
a long time.

[King_David]

21. The threads about Obamas reaction

To what the asshole leader in Iran said.

I'll post Kerry's reaction to what the hatemongering leader of Iran said about Israel and Jews when I get home.

I'm not posting this to "spare you".

[Jefferson23]

22. Then read the damn thread you keep referencing..your friend, oberliner, does not

agree with your interpretation..think about that.

Don't hold your breath waiting for Kerry/Obama to not make a deal with Iran.

Why do you think Obama sent a letter..you think he did that because he
believes as you do that Iran is the devil incarnate?

[King_David]

23. Letter was before this maniac loony hatemongering leader

Made these threats.

[Jefferson23]

24. So you are holding your breath, ok..good luck hoping Obama will bow to AIPAC and Bibi. n/t

[King_David]

26. Not Bibi AIPAC or cookie monster

But threats from the big shot real leader ayatollah .

[Jefferson23]

27. Now you're just repeating nonsense. Good luck hoping Obama caves, good to know where

you stand..with Bibi.

[King_David]

30. Where I stand with Bibi?

I can't stand anything he or the Likud party stands for - good that you know.

I don't think Obama will "cave" .

The president now has new info about Iran and the Iranian leaders intentions now than he ever had before. He will act accordingly.

[Jefferson23]

33. Then stop repeating his lines. Oh Obama will act accordingly, just not according to Bibi and

company.

[King_David]

35. This ayatollah really messed up

The chance to pretend they don't have evil aspirations with a nuclear bomb.

Obama will take this into account for sure.

[King_David]

25. You never should post while angry Mr...

22. Then read the damn thread

It's good to take a break , yoga , meditation, excersize.

I try do that when I get angry.

[Jefferson23]

29. Damn, does that mean you'll not read the thread you keep referencing? Oh well.

Perhaps you'll read it at some point.

[King_David]

32. Give me a link specifically to what your wanting me to read

Please.

[Jefferson23]

34. You crack me up:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=86704

[King_David]

36. I'll leave it to Oberliner to explain his own post.

I don't see it as a suger coating of the evil hate the Ayatollah said , as you obviously do .

But I could be wrong.

[Jefferson23]

37. You do that, take all the time you need. n/t

[shira]

38. It's offensive because it's akin to Holocaust denial. n/t

[Scootaloo]

46. If you have no idea what the Holocaust or Holocaust denial actually are, sure

[shira]

48. It's like denying the genocide that Yazidis face today...

There's no question this is ISIS' goal. With better means and weapons, they'd accomplish it much quicker.

Iran constantly threatens genocide, wants to acquire nukes and we're to believe western rightwingers are making that all up.

It's sick.

[Scootaloo]

50. Iran's not ever threatened genocide, Shira.

And there is no evidence that they are seeking nukes.

[shira]

53. Holy shit. We're done. n/t

[Scootaloo]

54. Sorry to have destroyed your phantasmagoria n/t

[shira]

57. Wait. About the Yazidis & ISIS's genocidal intent....

What should be done about that?

[Scootaloo]

62. Exactly what has already been done

Defensive lines to protect the people as they are moved the hell out of harm's way.

[shira]

63. Doesn't look like that's working...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/03/yazidis-face-genocide-by-isis-after-u-s-turns-away.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

So how to stop ISIS from achieving their goals?

[Scootaloo]

65. Well, because it seems that the US has decided it's not worth the effort to help them anymore

But in October, the United States turned to other parts of the battle, leaving the Yazidis largely to fend for themselves. ISIS has now surrounded Mount Sinjar again, trapping approximately 10,000 Yazidis there.

Which is fucking shameful, if you ask me.

[azurnoir]

5. From the thread linked

oberliner (26,316 posts)
22. No, in fact he specifically says the opposite

Did you not actually read the article linked in the OP?

In case you didn't:

Iran definitely does not want “the massacre of the Jewish people” but rather Iran has proposed “a practical & logical mechanism” to eliminate Israel through a referendum involving “all the original people of Palestine, including Muslims, Chrsitians and Jews” anywhere in the world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113486658#post22

This is most certainly not a call out against oberliner but in fact showing what is and is not meant

[King_David]

6. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=86960

[Scootaloo]

28. But as we see here, some Zionists really really want that war

[Jefferson23]

31. Yea, but they're not really supporting Bibi while they do it..or some such bullshit.

Must be a new kind of nuance I am not familiar with.

[shira]

39. Nope. Zionists don't want Israel threatened by Iranian nukes....

That's a serious national security issue.

To deny it is similar to holocaust denial.

[Scootaloo]

41. Just as Americans don't want to be threatened by Israel's fusion-powered laser unicorn cavalry!

[shira]

42. Insane Ayatollahs with nukes are a serious threat....

Think Westboro Baptist Church threatening everyone they hate and want to murder with nukes, and having the means to acquire them.

But keep deflecting. Do your worst.

[Scootaloo]

43. So is speculating your way into a war.

[shira]

44. Would you try to stop Westboro Baptist Church crazies....

...from trying to acquire nukes? What would you do to stop them?

[Scootaloo]

45. That's just a cartoonishly weird proposition

I'm sorry, you're going to have to ask me something that doesn't sound like the setup to a national lampoons movie.

[shira]

49. Pick your favorite bigoted, radical whacko religious fundies....

What would you do about them trying to acquire WMD?

Anything at all?

[Scootaloo]

51. Well, Israel already has nukes. So, kinda late on that one I guess.

[shira]

55. You'd have a point if Baruch Goldstein & Meir Kahana....

...were running a fascist totalitarian nightmare and had their fingers on the button.

What would you do to stop them from acquiring such a capability?

Anything at all?

[Scootaloo]

58. Now you're entering self-defeating territory, Shira

1) Israel has nukes.
2) Israel does not need Baruch Goldstein at the helm to be a threat to its neighbors; Netanyahu is more than enough.
3) If netanyahu loses his seat, it's likely to go to someone even crazier.

So. Do you believe israel's neighbors have the right - nay the responsibility - to take whatever action they deem necessary to eliminate israel's nuclear capability before it falls into the hands of someone even more psycho than Netanyahu?

[shira]

61. You keep avoiding the question. This is tiring. n/t

[Scootaloo]

64. Well, your question is inherently silly, as I already expressed.

Going into a war based on speculation is foolish, and will get a lot of people needlessly killed. You seem so desperate to argue this point that you're embarrassing yourself with these zany and pointless questions.

[Jefferson23]

47. I doubt that even AIPAC would ask a question like that..you're right on the edge..careful. n/t

[shira]

52. Iran's leaders are crazy hateful religious whackos who like other....

...nasty whackos at the extreme end of any other religious group should NOT be anywhere near a nuclear device.

How can we not agree on this?

[Jefferson23]

56. Tell that to Obama and good luck with your propaganda.n/t

[shira]

59. I'm asking you. So nothing should be done, right? n/t

[Jefferson23]

60. I already told you. I don't even want to know what you believe should be done to

Iran...spare me, please.

[Jefferson23]

2. Adelson and Saban Try To Out-Hawk Each Other

What do you get when you put two of the largest pro-Israel donors — Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban — on one stage?

For participants at the Israeli American Council’s inaugural conference, this meeting of Jewish finance titans produced several historical insights about the roots of the Palestinian people (Adelson: they have none); a bit of advice on how to deal with Iran (Saban: “bomb the sons of bitches”); and some media criticism (Adelson: “I don’t like journalism” — especially not the Forward.)

Adelson and Saban, one a mega donor to the Republican Party, the other a top backer of the Clintons, may have their differences when it comes to U.S. politics. But on Israel, both engaged in one-upmanship, trying to outdo each other’s hawkishness.

When discussing a possible nuclear deal with Iran, which is now being negotiated between Iran and several international powers, both expressed skepticism. Adelson said that if the deal does not satisfy Israel, then putting himself in the shoes of Israel’s prime minister, he “would not just talk. I would take action.”

But Saban went further. “A stick and a carrot, yes — but I think that we showed too many carrots and a very small stick,” he said of the Obama administration negotiators.

http://blogs.forward.com/forward-thinking/208924/adelson-and-saban-try-to-out-hawk-each-other/#.VGAELd0CpCw.twitter

[Jefferson23]

40. U.S., Iran holding secret talks to renew diplomatic ties, Times reports

Renewal of ties is contingent on reaching a deal over Iran's nuclear program, anonymous sources say; U.S. seeks to open a trade office in Teheran, report adds.


By Haaretz | Nov. 10, 2014 |

Iranian and American officials have held secret talks to discuss renewing diplomatic relations if a deal is reached on Iran's nuclear program and sanctions are lifted, the Times reported early on Monday.

According to the report, the two nations are discussing the possibility of opening a U.S. trade office in Teheran. This would be the first American diplomatic mission in the Islamic republic since the U.S. embassy in Teheran was overrun in 1979 during the Islamic Revolution, leading to the hostage crisis that haunted Jimmy Carter's presidency.

The Times quotes anonymous Iranian government officials as saying that these talks are due to continue this week in Baku, Azerbaijan, where the Iranian delegation will be headed by Mohammad Reza Sabzalipour, head of Iran’s global trade bureau.

The United States has denied that talks on renewing diplomatic relation between the two nations were taking place. the report says.

Meanwhile, U.S. President Barack Obama said there is still "a big gap" in nuclear negotiations with Iran. In an interview with CBS aired Sunday, Obama said a permanent agreement may not be achieved before November 24, the current deadline for the nuclear talks.

Last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Obama sent a secret letter to Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, last month, in which he wrote that the two nations have shared interests in fighting the Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria, but that any cooperation between Tehran and Washington on this issue would hinge upon reaching an agreement over Iran's nuclear program.

A senior Iranian official said Sunday that Obama’s secret letter to Khamenei last month had a “positive impact on Iran’s leadership.”

In Tehran’s first public acknowledgment of the letter, in which Obama reportedly stated that a nuclear agreement with Iran could pave the way to U.S.-Iranian cooperation against Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, Ali Khoram, adviser to Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, told London-based Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that the letter had changed the Iranian leaders’ approach to the possibility of reaching a nuclear agreement.

“Despite 30 years of mistrust, Iran and the U.S. are convinced that it is in their national interests to negotiate a final settlement,” said Khoram. He said there has been a shift in Iran’s view of the United States as the “great Satan,” in light of changes in Iran’s policies towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and towards Syria and Iraq.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.625582