Nakba Day indeed for ‘Pallywood’ conspiracy freaks

[Israeli]

Naming and shaming.

Following Wednesday’s arrest of a Border Policeman on suspicion of murdering a Palestinian teenager in a May 15 Nakba Day protest, here is a partial list of Israeli and pro-Israel figures who insinuated that the video of the shooting (which also showed the killing of another teenage protester) had been fabricated:

Defense Minister Moshe “Bogie” Ya’alon: “I’ve seen lots of films that were edited [to distort what had happened]. This film I’ve not yet seen, but I know the system.”

IDF spokesman Maj. Arye Shalicar: “That film was edited and does not reflect the reality of the day in question, the violence.”

Roni Daniel, Channel 2’s military correspondent and media warmonger supreme: Times of Israel: “Daniel suggested that the film may have been staged and faked. … His queries were not about whether two Palestinians had been shot that day, Daniel said, but rather about whether the NGO footage being disseminated indeed actually showed such shootings or was fabricated.”

http://972mag.com/nakba-day-indeed-for-pallywood-conspiracy-freaks/98735/

[Israeli]

1. continued.........

Media “watchdog” CAMERA, reprinting a story from right-wing Jewish newspaper Algemeiner: “The usual suspects are pushing the story and video of the alleged killings has gotten a huge number of hits on YouTube, but it’s pretty clear that something is amiss with the story the Palestinians have told the world about what happened at Betunia.”

Jonathan S. Tobin, editor of Commentary magazine online: “Those who cry bloody murder at the Israelis today will owe them an apology if, as may well be the case, the film is a fraud and the Nakba killings are a new version of the al-Dura blood libel. “

Yisrael Medad, co-founder of Israel’s Media Watch (another “watchdog”): “In concert, this is clear evidence of a Pallywood production. Showing the edited videos, then the fuller ones (showing the set-up) in succession — with appropriate narration would make this case with crystal clarity.”

These and countless other right-wingers have popularized the idea that whenever a video shows Israelis battering or killing Arabs without cause, the video is a fake, either staged or doctored. They come up with all sorts of seeming “discrepancies” to make their case, just like conspiracy freaks do to “prove” that the CIA killed Kennedy, or that Israel was behind 9/11, or that no one ever walked on the moon.

None of them have ever come close to demonstrating the inauthenticity of a single one of the many, many videos that show Israeli soldiers, police, settlers or ordinary hotheads abusing or killing Palestinians. Yet their claims are naturally accepted as truth by anti-Arab Jewish nationalists, who happen to run the present Israeli government and much of the Diaspora Jewish establishment. And so this campaign – which argues that the Palestinian victims in these videos were either never killed, or killed by other Palestinians – has become enormously influential in Israel and the Diaspora. It neutralizes, and to a great extent even reverses, the effect of each of these videos as they come to light: Instead of being clear evidence of Israeli brutality against Palestinians, the video may not be that at all – in fact, it may be evidence of Palestinian deceitfulness, or even of Palestinian willingness to kill their own so they can blame it on Israel.

Ultimately, the message of these right-wing Zionist truthers is that every allegation of Israeli wrongdoing against Palestinians, videotaped or not, is bullshit – none of it should be believed. This is not a fringe notion; it is the reigning view in Israel and the Diaspora establishment.

The campaign began after the infamous killing of 12-year-old Muhammad al-Dura while he was cowering behind his father in Gaza on September 30, 2000. Film of the incident taken by France 2 television was used by Palestinians and their supporters to whip up support for the second intifada. (In fact, the al-Duras were caught in a crossfire between Israeli troops and Palestinian gunmen; no can say for sure whose bullets struck them.) Boston University history Prof. Richard Landes, French “media analyst” Philippe Karsenty and others began publicizing “evidence” that the France 2 film was faked, with Landes coining the term “Pallywood” to describe it and others like it. They maintained that the al-Duras had either never been shot, or been shot by Palestinians out to blame Israel, and that the truth had been covered up since. Their “evidence” is a mountain of lurid garbage, which includes the claim that the blood seen in the video spreading across the boy’s midsection is actually a red cloth he was holding to look like blood on camera! The source of much of the al-Dura campaign’s “findings” come from by Nahum Shahaf, an Israeli physicist who cut his teeth as a conspiracy theorist on the Rabin assassination.

In May of last year, the Pallywood theory of the al-Dura killing was adopted in full by the Israeli government in a report commissioned by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and written by the Kuperwasser committee, whose members were drawn from the Foreign Ministry, Defense Ministry, IDF Spokesman’s Office and Israel Police. Netanyahu declared the findings to be “the truth.”

In May of this year, this same theory was applied by Moshe Ya’alon, Roni Daniel and many others to the video of the Nakba Day killings of Nadim Nuwara, 17, and Muhammad Salameh, also 17. The video was taken by a private security camera at the site of the protest. It was distributed by Defense for Children International – Palestine. The protest had included stone- and Molotov cocktail-throwing, but the video shows Nuwara and Salameh getting shot when they are walking along harmlessly, long after the violence of the protest had ended.

The unnamed Border Policeman was arrested on suspicion of murdering Nuwara – and his commander arrested for covering it up – based on the fatal bullet provided by Nuwara’s family. There’s a chance, of course, that they won’t be charged, and if charged there’s a chance, of course, they won’t be convicted. But the arrests by themselves should deeply discredit Ya’alon, Roni Daniel, CAMERA and all the others whose reaction to the video of the alleged murder of two Palestinian teenagers (no arrests have been made in Salameh’s killing) was to cry “hoax.” And for all those who are not anti-Arab Jewish nationalists, the arrests by themselves should be enough to debunk the Pallywood theory of the Nakba Day killings, and cast extreme skepticism, at the very least, on the theory in its entirety.

Going forward, or backward, there will be more videos like this one, appearing to show Palestinians getting killed without cause by Israelis. When they surface, people should remember what a certain anti-Arab Jewish nationalist declared in a different context, and say: If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, let’s not immediately cross off the possibility that it’s a duck.

Source: http://972mag.com/nakba-day-indeed-for-pallywood-conspiracy-freaks/98735/

[Scootaloo]

2. Those who go on about "Pallywood" are no different from the fucks that use the term "LOLocaust."

Deniers of very real human suffering and oppression either way.

[Jefferson23]

3. Indeed. +1

[oberliner]

8. No objection to that comparison?

That is amazing.

[Jefferson23]

9. Your indifference and defense is what's amazing..totally. n/t

[DanTex]

41. How do you feel about the term "Pallywood"? Do you see it as a racial slur?

[shira]

52. It's not a racial slur. Check this video out...

I'm assuming you watched that. What would you call it if not a hoax, utter fiction?

Not that I expect a direct reply. It'd be racist of you to acknowledge any Palestinian foul play going on in that video. I'm ready for the deflection.

Waiting for it....

[DanTex]

57. I wasn't asking you. Obviously it's a racial slur, the only question is whether oberliner is

honest enough to admit this. It's amazing that it is even tolerated its use. I can't think a similar slur against any other minority group that people use here with impunity. Can you?

If you don't like a video, you can call it "phony" or "fake" or any other number of terms that aren't racial slurs.

[shira]

58. Here's the problem...

It's not the vile war propaganda efforts led by Hamas and the PA that's at issue. This is what shitty totalitarian regimes do.

It's that western media buys into it wholesale, and they know better. This is unprecedented. It's an industry, it's deliberate, and it's ugly. It's obvious incitement.

==========

Can we at least agree that western media shouldn't collaborate with Palestinian media to mass distribute these hoaxes and lies?

[DanTex]

59. No, the problem is that the term "Pallywood" is a racial slur.

You can make the point you want without racial slurs. Then we can discuss if your point is valid.

A lot of people (including me) believe that the Western media's portrayal of I/P is biased towards Israel, but we manage to make that argument without using words like "the j**spaper." I'm not sure why you think "Pallywood" is any more acceptable. It has nothing to do with whether you are right or I am. It is simply a matter of having a civilized discussion without bigoted terminology.

[shira]

62. Palestinians aren't a race. Neither are Israelis....

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Palestinian leaders are not the Palestinian people either. They can and should be criticized.

You have a problem with people criticizing Palestinians. And by Palestinians, I mean their leadership not the people.

================

ArabyWood or IslamiWood are racist, as opposed to the term in question.

[DanTex]

67. Umm, what? Keep digging.

So because you don't consider them a "race" then it's OK to use bigoted language? What, because they are an "ethnicity" and not a "race"? Wow. The hits just keep on coming.

You know, Islam isn't a race either, but you seem to understand that "Islamiwood" would be inappropriate. How about making this simple and not using terms that are intentionally bigoted and derogatory towards any minority group, period.

You could easily criticize Palestinian leadership without ethnic slurs. But you choose not to. You go for the ethnic slurs instead. One has to wonder why.

[shira]

73. Wrong again. Palestinians aren't a race nor an ethnicity.

Stay here long enough and you'll find folks slamming people here for criticizing Palestinian leadership. You should google for all the "disgust" here at watchdog sites like PMW (PalWatch).

This is done to stifle all criticism of Palestinian leaders. You're doing it too.

[DanTex]

74. If you can't criticize them without using offensive terminology, then you have a very

weak argument indeed. Race, ethnicity, or however you want to classify them. Are slurs really so important that you can't do with out them?

I've been here long enough to figure out that any criticism of the Israeli government gets a person labeled "anti-semitic" by people like you, while at the same time you toss around ethinic/racial/whatever slurs like "Pallywood".

[shira]

76. Is Hezbollywood an offensive slur too? n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

96. There you go...

Conflate Palestinians with Hezbollah?

Bad.

[Shaktimaan]

93. Nice.

I've been here long enough to figure out that any criticism of the Israeli government gets a person labeled "anti-semitic" by people like you, while at the same time you toss around ethinic/racial/whatever slurs like "Pallywood".

So instead of discussing the topic at hand you dismiss shira entirely on the contrived basis of being "one of those people" who use false allegations of bigotry to dismiss their arguments.

Hypocrisy much?

Aside from the fact that shira doesn't do that, while you just did, you still haven't done much to actually negate her argument, that the term pallywood isn't a a racist or ethnic slur because Palestinians aren't a race or ethnicity. You then just repeat the charge again as though it hadn't just been disproven.

Very lame.

[DanTex]

97. Wow. Another voice in favor of overt use of ethnic slurs.

It's nice to know exactly who frequents this forum.

The argument that it's not an ethnic slur because Palestinian is not an ethnicity is one of the dumbest I've heard. First of all, it's wrong: Palestinians are an ethnicity. Arabs are not all the same. Like East Asians, or Africans, or Caucasians, or any other large ethnic groups, there are plenty of sub-ethnicities.

But more to the point, trying to find semantic excuses to justify overt bigotry is simply obscene. It would be like using racial slurs against Mexicans and then claiming that "Mexican" isn't really an ethnicity, the ethnicity is "Hispanic", so it's OK to call Mexicans whatever you want.

It's pretty simple. Don't use ethnic slurs. There's already enough controversy in this topic without people tossing around terms like "Pallywood" and "Jewspaper". How anyone thinks that these kinds of terms can possibly elevate the level of discourse is beyond me. Whatever point someone has to make can be made without the bigoted language.

[Shaktimaan]

99. Well. First off.

You're wrong. Palestinians do not constitute an ethnic group. It is a national identity, that encompasses many different ethnicities and religions. For example, if Palestinians comprised their own, distinct ethnicity, as you assume, then certain ethnic groups indigenous to Palestine such as Bedouins, Druze, Samaratins, and Baha'i could not be considered Palestinians themselves. Nor would they be considered sub-ethnicities for obvious reasons.

more importantly, they don't have any history of being considered a distinct ethnicity. That isn't to say there isn't a palestinian identity. Just that it's a national one versus an ethnic one.

ut more to the point, trying to find semantic excuses to justify overt bigotry is simply obscene.

This is neither a semantic argument nor is it bigotry in any sense. Your attempt to avoid any meaningful discussion by wrongfully accusing others of bigotry is both gross and obvious. The term is derogatory, but is in no way racist. You need to learn to appreciate that not every concept you find offensive is also racist.

Out of curiosity, what term would you find acceptable to describe the creators of palestinian propaganda films and other materials?

It would be like using racial slurs against Mexicans and then claiming that "Mexican" isn't really an ethnicity, the ethnicity is "Hispanic", so it's OK to call Mexicans whatever you want.

I think you're having trouble coming up with an example because using the term "Mexican" isn't considered a slur.

Is "Bollywood" racist? The only difference is that Pallywood is used derisively. But not in reference to their race or ethnicity, but regarding the negative propaganda they produce.

[Shaktimaan]

94. What slurs?

The term being used is their nationality. Not a slur form of it either.

What are you talking about?

[Israeli]

95. +1 .......

‘Pallywood’: A particularly ugly ethnic slur

And a very popular one among right-wing Israelis and Diaspora Jews. .....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113487495#post29

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

98. What a horrible word to use against a people!!

You do realize that YOU have carted out David Duke at every chance to show KKK hatred of others, and now you turn around and attempt to delegitimize a people in the same fashion??!

[parkia00]

5. Should quote that

and post in on every stinking Pallywood connotation burped by our "progressive" ethnic obsessed cheerleaders.

[oberliner]

7. Any excuse to make a connection to the Holocaust

Or so it seems.

[oberliner]

6. What's going on with the Palestinians is just like what happened to the Jews in the Holocaust?

It seems like some folks want to take any excuse to create that linkage.

[Jefferson23]

10. That's not what he said, and you know it. Do keep trying to smear though. n/t

[King_David]

21. I sure read it the same way as Oberliner did. nt

[Jefferson23]

29. Of course you would..same as you read Iran..like Bibi...boogeymen everywhere.n/t

[King_David]

34. OKAY

Whatever that means...

Sure.

[Scootaloo]

45. That's not what I said, but nice try

You seem to have confused Dave with that at least, though that's not exactly an achievement.

[Israeli]

55. * chuckle * ....N/T .

[King_David]

75. .

kibbutz country farm out of city humor ?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

46. I have to sat thatI have never heard that term before. Really?

It's fucking sophomoric at best.

[shira]

53. Very real human suffering and oppression....

Was that an example of very real human suffering and oppression, or a big hoax that the western media somehow fell for?

[Scootaloo]

68. If I wanted to see zundlsite bullshit, I would go there

Shoo now

[oberliner]

70. You only like certain types of BS

You either should embrace all of it or none of it.

[Scootaloo]

71. You're still here?

What's up Oberliner? Still having a great struggle with understanding sentence structure? Subject-Verb-Object seems to have really thrown you or a loop earlier on this thread. It's cool that you tried to make it up as you go along, too bad it didn't actually work that way. One would think a guy named after a college would be able to parse a sentence.

So. Having fun helping these nuts try to pretend that Nadim Siam Abu Nuwara and Mohammed Mahmoud Odeh Salameh weren't killed?

[shira]

77. Ernst Zundel? Seems you're the one here denying....

...incitement, hoaxes, staged scenes, and disinformation.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2008/01/22/idINIndia-31527320080122

Check out the picture and the caption underneath. Notice sunlight behind the curtains?

Need more proof?

[Jefferson23]

4. Recommend. We see these disgusting posts here often. K&R

[Israeli]

35. Yup ....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=63618

N/T ......no comment .

[Jefferson23]

38. I bookmarked that thread too...it's a keeper. Pallywood will hit here again, before long. n/t

[Fozzledick]

11. "No one believes a liar, even when they tell the truth" - Aesop

re: The Boy Who Cried Wolf

http://www.storyit.com/Classics/Stories/boycriedwolf.htm

[shira]

13. Our opponents don't believe there have been any lies....

....slander or fabricated hoaxes perpetrated against the Jewish state, ever. It's all true, every single rumor and accusation out there.



#Real.Truthers

[shaayecanaan]

92. Does that apply to those that cry "blood libel" all the time?

such as, for instance:-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113463618#post20

but then I'm not committed to accepting every jihadist blood libel at face value.

[shira]

12. Derfner again, great. He mentioned the blood (red rag) on al-Dura.....

Fascinating, because here are the pics...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113463618#post19

So is the blood on his upper right leg or on his shirt? It's amazing how the "blood" somehow moved from his leg to his shirt. Defying all laws of physics...



Larry was privy to these pics. He knows better.

[Jefferson23]

14. What is your point? You're still in denial? n/t

[Mosby]

15. If you read the article carefully

You should note that even Derfner acknowledges that al-Dura might have been shot by Palestinian terrorists.

The raw footage clearly shows ambulances being staged for the cameras and fake injured people being loaded into them. Additionally there are numerous people walking around in the exact same area as the al-Duras showing no concern at all about being shot.

[azurnoir]

16. Here is raw footage people can make up their own minds about the claims made

Star Member Mosby (4,397 posts)

If you read the article carefully

You should note that even Derfner acknowledges that al-Dura might have been shot by Palestinian terrorists.

The raw footage clearly shows ambulances being staged for the cameras and fake injured people being loaded into them. Additionally there are numerous people walking around in the exact same area as the al-Duras showing no concern at all about being shot.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=87280

[Mosby]

20. Better video that shows the truth

[Jefferson23]

17. That's not what shira believes nor is pointing out and she has not responded to my question. n/t

[shira]

28. I agree with Mosby actually. n/t

[Jefferson23]

31. uh huh..ok, shira. n/t

[shira]

56. Raw footage showing fake & staged scenes...

The 3 french journalists mentioned this in their testimony after viewing the rushes.

Our opponents here can view the rushes 100 times, but you won't find any ever acknowledging foul play. Ever. They can't do it.

[azurnoir]

18. Here are the 2 pics that supposedly show it to be fake that alDura was shot

does the word photoshop enter anyones mind?

the first was lifted from Richard "If you can't vote for Romney don't vote for Obama" Landes site BTW

[Jefferson23]

19. Their attempts which have been numerous, finally gets exposed as fraud. n/t

[Mosby]

22. I think they were shot by the Palestinian terrorists

look at the holes in the wall, they show that the shots were from straight on which is where the Palestinian terrorist position was. The Israeli position was at an extreme angle, so the bullet holes would have reflected that. Walls don't lie, the forensic evidence is really clear in this case.

[azurnoir]

23. I suppose that is a possibility too

and frankly 14 years on it really doesn't matter much, and on that note while crying about the case and how Israel was smeared the truth is that the 'world' had long forgotten what was keeping the memory alive was in fact Karsenty et al

[Scootaloo]

48. That does seem most likely

But that's not the discussion at hand.

Rather.. .well, just read this thread to see where Shira is on this

[shira]

49. So why would Pal. terrorists shoot at them...

....when the Israelis were stationed 90 degrees away?

The 3 French Journalists called Enderlin and his crew liars. Why would they lie? They're still claiming the IDF shot al-Dura. Neither you nor Derfner believes that one.

Hoax...right?

[Scootaloo]

66. We've covered this ground extensively, Shira

And frankly, you're starting to disgust me with your denialism.

[shira]

72. No, we didn't. Let's start w/ the 1st question...

If Pal. terrorists shot at al-Dura, how and why did that happen given that the IDF was stationed 90-120 degrees away?

[shira]

25. Those are damning photos, don't you think?

Or did Landes photoshop them in your opinion? To help you out, the video footage is identical. Blood somehow moves from the leg to the shirt magically.



And then of course the last few frames of the video showing the boy peeking at the camera, no hands on his wounds at all. Just covering his face.

Who shot al-Dura if not the IDF?

[azurnoir]

32. I'll agrre they're damning alright but not in the way you would have folks believe

that's why I posted them the way I did, and BTW they came Richard "if you can't vote for Romney don't vote for Obama" Landes's site, abeit I would think Karsenty would have done a better job but who knows

[shira]

36. Explain what you mean by damning. Do you think the "red".....

....is blood like Derfner claims?

[azurnoir]

40. In the second photo yes most assuredly

I suppose you'll stick with it being simply red cloth or some such, so where are we here the boy was not wounded, or what?

[shira]

42. So where did the blood go from his upper right leg? How'd it disappear?

Better yet, what's that red stuff on his upper leg in the 1st photo?

Can't wait to hear this...

[shira]

24. Reasonable people can see fictitious propaganda in action....

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I'm not in denial of the Nakba day events. Looks bad for the Israeli officer who shot and killed the youth. If it turns out that way he deserves to be locked up.

The point is that there's very good reason to suspect foul play, given the history of this conflict going back to at least al-Dura. The footage of the Nakba day protests just minutes before the incident shows some staging.

One of my favorite moments of pure fiction is this fake funeral in which the dead come to life, scaring the shit out of some folks...

[Jefferson23]

26. Nothing reasonable about Pallywood..you should let it go. n/t

[azurnoir]

27. LOL that's great especially the glowing green effects to what we're told

is a funeral procession are you trying to up the number of views for this true classic as it's been posted for 2 months with only 77 views

please keep 'em coming it gets funnier every time

[shira]

30. Talk about denial. LOL. n/t

[azurnoir]

33. yep :)

[shira]

37. Are you implying Landes or someone else engaged in ZioWood.....

...by staging or faking that scene in order to make Palestinians look bad?

[azurnoir]

39. I am saying one of those photos is 'retouched' or photoshopped

at least that's how it appears to me

[shira]

43. Other than a hunch it's retouched or photoshopped, what do u have?

Anything?



Here's some of the raw footage. Look at it around 2:45 and you'll see the red on his upper leg.

[azurnoir]

44. so your positing that Mohammed al Dura was never shot, right?

so where is he, why has he not been found, he'd be around 27 now or is that he never really existed?

[shira]

50. You're deflecting. You have no evidence the 1st photo...

....was altered. Video shows this red stuff on his upper leg.

How did this blood magically go from his leg to his shirt?

[azurnoir]

51. I'm deflecting ? are you saying he was not shot? why the dithering? what's your point?

oh and Mohammad al Dura is in 2 different positions in the 2 photo's and BTW ever use photoshop, I have

[shira]

54. You are. Did you watch that video from around 2:45?

He's in both positions, just like the 2 photos demonstrate.

How'd the blood disappear from his leg and reappear on his shirt? How did it move?

==============

If you don't want to answer, no worries. I get it...

[azurnoir]

60. no you never posted a video in comment #50 and the only possible reason for you to do this is

your claiming he was not shot or is still alive

[shira]

61. Here it is. Look around 2:45 onward...

Red color stuff on the upper leg.

[azurnoir]

63. so again what's your point? are you just flinging poo to what sticks? are you trying to foist off

that he was not shot, that what the obviously photoshopped pictures you posted would indicate and

the video @2:45 is on the other people and on wards is so blurry that it is hard to tell what is what, isn't what the photoshop was intended to 'clarify'

[shira]

64. The point is blood stains don't magically disappear...

....and then reappear somewhere else within a few seconds or minutes.

Your continued denial and requirement for 200% proof is noted.

[azurnoir]

65. so once again are you saying al Dura was not shot, why won't you answer? n/t

[shira]

78. You're deflecting again. Tsk, tsk. No answer, right?

I'll answer once I first get an answer from you.

Not a moment before.

[azurnoir]

69. why do you seem afraid to repeat yourself you were pretty clear here so where is al dura these days?

shira (23,122 posts)

Muhammad Al-Dura: The boy who wasn't really killed
Not only was 12-year-old Gazan Muhammad al-Dura not killed by IDF fire in 2000 – he was not even hurt.

That was the preliminary finding of a special commit- tee formed several years ago by Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon and headed by Brig.- Gen. (res.) Yossi Kuperwasser, the former head of the Research and Analysis Division of the IDF Military Intelligence Directorate, and the current director-general of the Strategic Affairs Ministry.

Dura was allegedly killed by IDF fire during the second intifada as he crouched behind his father, Jamal, crying. He became the most potent symbol of the Palestinian struggle; his name can still be heard around the world as a symbol of the Palestinian struggle.

At first, Israel did not deny that its forces had hit Dura, who had been caught in the crossfire between Palestinian and IDF forces at the Netzarim junction on September 30, 2000. The IDF admitted that it had hit and killed the boy. Following an investigation, however, the official army version changed: the IDF did not actually hit the boy.

But it was too late – the narrative had already gone viral.

more...
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Muhammad-Al-Dura-The-boy-who-was-not-really-killed-312930

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113441491

[shira]

79. I posted an article. Those weren't my own words. Get it? n/t

[azurnoir]

80. Then what is your point here ? n/t

[shira]

81. Staged scenes & hoaxes have happened in the past....

Al-Dura is a prime example, but there are plenty of others.

Can't blame folks for questioning the Nakba Day events, even though it looks like we're wrong. We had reason to believe from past events that we were seeing another hoax.

That's the point.

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Of course Team Palestine BDS'ers will deny any disinformation campaign, staged scenes, etc. To acknowledge even one is to open the door for others...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

82. What a poor attempt to whitewash a mea culpa.

Whenever a Palestinian is capped by an Israeli an army of hasbaritos descends on the event to...

1. Say it never happened.

2. Call the event a hoax.

3. Call the Palestinians liars.

4. Attempt to deligitimize the event.

5. Blame the Palestinians as the cause of the death.

6. Divert attention away from the event by any means possible.

And when it appears very likely that the event, aka murders of Palestinians are the result of the Israelis, they give a watered down admission of guilt then go right back into their morally bankrupt attacks on the Palestinians: waiting for the next tragedy to unfold where they can start the denial process all over again.

Such amaturish and ugly hipocrites.

[oberliner]

83. Palestinianitios skip right to #3

Whenever an Israeli is killed by a Palestinian an army of Palestinianitos descends on the event to....

3. Call the Israelis liars.

4. Attempt to deligitimize the event.

5. Blame the Israelis as the cause of the death.

6. Divert attention away from the event by any means possible.

Example: A Palestinian deliberately drives his car into Israeli pedestrians killing a small child.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

85. I'm sure that you can cite examples...

So...

[shira]

84. There have been so many lies, hoaxes, & slanders aimed at Israel...

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....that it's difficult to swallow in whole most accusations leveled at the Jewish state. So many turn out being bullshit.

That's why each accusation is treated with caution and suspicion. Like the doozy reported by Maan, The Nation, and Mondoweiss (your fave sources) about Palestinian soccer players shot in the legs at least 10-12 times by Israeli forces. Total fiction. New shit is fabricated each and every day by Jew haters worldwide.

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You're quite aware of this industry of lies against the Jewish state. It'd be nice to see someone from Team BDS acknowledge that this hateful industry of slandering, demonization and incitement exists.

Anyone!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

86. For anybody reading the above post...

Post #82 fits it perfectly.

Deny,

Deflect,

Delegitimize.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

90. No, Shira, your inflammatory defamation

of the Palestinians shouldn't be tolerated on any Liberal site...IMHO.

Stop the hate.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

47. The farce is strong in this one.

[Jefferson23]

88. Has been for a long time.n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

91. Would you stop with the bigotrd speech?!