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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:02 PM Dec 2014

Does Israel have a place in Jewish identity?

http://972mag.com/does-israel-have-a-place-in-jewish-identity/99450/


When I left Palestine this summer, I was relieved to leave the Israeli flag behind. No more blue and white snapping at everyone who passes military checkpoints. No more Star of David standing high over the army bases. Saying goodbye to the Israeli flag, or so I thought, would also mean an end to my ambivalence about it.

Upon seeing the flag, there was always a moment of recognition, familiarity. After all, it bears the Star of David and I grew up with this symbol in my home. I grew up with it dangling from my neck in the form of the Hebrew pendant — passed down from my great-grandmother — that my mother made me wear when I was a child.

But the same thing that would bring me a split second of comfort would enrage me. How dare Zionism appropriate my religion and my culture and my family and the Hebrew language? The language is not theirs alone. It also belonged to another one of my great-grandmothers, who lived in Eastern Europe and recorded all of the family’s deaths and births — not in Yiddish but in poetic Hebrew. (The sentences that noted a death, including those of her own children, begin, “I’m crying, I’m crying, the tears drip from my face”; births start with, “Luck, luck! Happiness and luck.”) She marked all these events on a piece of paper that she folded and carried to the New World with her, Hebrew pressed to her bosom as she crossed an ocean. The language belonged to her, it belonged to all of us.

How dare Zionism put the Star of David — which existed long before it and which will outlast its project — on their flag? How dare it, under the false pretense of ensuring the safety of my people, occupy another?
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Does Israel have a place in Jewish identity? (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 OP
A third of the world’s 196 countries currently have national flags that include religious symbols oberliner Dec 2014 #1
I'm pretty sure this dude doesn't speak for majority Jewish people King_David Dec 2014 #2
Dude ? Israeli Dec 2014 #4
The Gender Neutral sense of the word King_David Dec 2014 #8
Mya holds a Master’s of Fine Arts in Creative Writing from Florida State University oberliner Dec 2014 #6
well ...at least you got her gender straight .... Israeli Dec 2014 #7
No idea what this means oberliner Dec 2014 #9
The Magen David Shaktimaan Dec 2014 #3
Not a guy Shaktimaan..... Israeli Dec 2014 #5
Correct but misses her point. aranthus Dec 2014 #10
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. A third of the world’s 196 countries currently have national flags that include religious symbols
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:29 PM
Dec 2014

A third of the world’s 196 countries currently have national flags that include religious symbols, according to a new Pew Research analysis. Of the 64 countries in this category, about half have Christian symbols (48%) and about a third include Islamic religious symbols (33%), with imagery on flags from the world’s two largest religious groups appearing across several regions.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/25/64-countries-have-religious-symbols-on-their-national-flags/

King_David

(14,851 posts)
2. I'm pretty sure this dude doesn't speak for majority Jewish people
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 12:28 AM
Dec 2014

Or even a sizeable minority and probably only internet land Jews.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Mya holds a Master’s of Fine Arts in Creative Writing from Florida State University
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 07:16 AM
Dec 2014

If that doesn't qualify you as an expert on this topic, I don't know what does!

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
3. The Magen David
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 05:39 AM
Dec 2014

Isn't a religious symbol. Before Zionism it was used in Czechoslovakia as a symbol of the Jewish community, aka: the Jewish nationality.

This guy seems pretty upset over this stuff, considering how little sense he's making.

aranthus

(3,385 posts)
10. Correct but misses her point.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 02:01 PM
Dec 2014

She's outraged that Israel dares to be Jewish, religiously and/or culturally. She's upset that they dare to speak Hebrew, and that has nothing to do with religion. Not that her outrage comes from anything Jewish. Her's seems to be a call for Jews to abandon Israel in the name of her Leftist beliefs. I'm not interested in doing that.

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