Full text of Palestinians’ UN resolution: End the occupation by 2017

[azurnoir]

Noting with appreciation the efforts of the United States in 2013/14 to facilitate and advance negotiations between the parties aimed at achieving a final peace settlement,

Aware of its responsibilities to help secure a long-term solution to the conflict,

1. Affirms the urgent need to attain, no later than 12 months after the adoption of this resolution, a just, lasting and comprehensive peaceful solution that brings an end to the Israeli occupation since 1967 and fulfills the vision of two independent, democratic and prosperous states, Israel and a sovereign, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security within mutually and internationally recognized borders;

2. Decides that the negotiated solution will be based on the following parameters:
– borders based on 4 June 1967 lines with mutually agreed, limited, equivalent land swaps;
– security arrangements, including through a third-party presence, that guarantee and respect the sovereignty of a State of Palestine, including through a full and phased withdrawal of Israeli security forces which will end the occupation that began in 1967 over an agreed transition period in a reasonable timeframe, not to exceed the end of 2017, and that ensure the security of both Israel and Palestine through effective border security and by preventing the resurgence of terrorism and effectively addressing security threats, including emerging and vital threats in the region.
– A just and agreed solution to the Palestine refugee question on the basis of Arab Peace Initiative, international law and relevant United Nations resolutions, including resolution 194 (III);
– Jerusalem as the shared capital of the two States which fulfills the legitimate aspirations of both parties and protects freedom of worship;
– an agreed settlement of other outstanding issues, including water;

3. Recognizes that the final status agreement shall put an end to the occupation and an end to all claims and lead to immediate mutual recognition;

http://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-palestinians-un-resolution-end-the-occupation-by-2017/#ixzz3MHJcusKt

[shira]

1. Israel wants negotiations leading to a peaceful 2 state solution....

The PA/Hamas want the 2 states w/o negotiation or peace b/c they see 2-states as a stepping stone towards attacking Israel more.

[azurnoir]

3. Did you actually read the text ? point 2 says negotiation will be the means

by which a 2 state solution will be met

[shira]

4. Yeah, sure. Negotiations for what once the occupation ends?

What I mean by that is if & when negotiations fail again (see 2000 and 2008) then what?

Israel must GTFO whether there's peace or not.

Do you believe the following bullshit from the PA resolution...

and fulfills the vision of two independent, democratic and prosperous states,

[azurnoir]

17. so you're claiming the PA doesn't want want a prosperous independant denocratic state?

note that the Abbas the oppressive dictator has been pulled out the 'magic' hat again as it is every time the Palestinians make a noise about having their own state

[shira]

23. Abbas is a dictator & wants to stay in power doing what he does now...

Do you see the PA moving in any way towards a prosperous democratic state similar to western liberal democratic countries?

17. so you're claiming the PA doesn't want want a prosperous independant denocratic state?

That's the last thing Abbas and his cronies want.

note that the Abbas the oppressive dictator has been pulled out the 'magic' hat again as it is every time the Palestinians make a noise about having their own state

Yes, I know you're against any criticism of the PA and Hamas, no matter the timing.

[oberliner]

2. I'm down with this

I vote yes.

[shira]

5. It's great if the Palestinians are serious about negotiations, but....

....as 2000 and 2008 prove it doesn't appear Israel can come close to meeting the PA's demands despite both offers (2000 and 2008) which came very close to meeting all Palestinian requirements.

Think the Kurds or Tibetans would reject such deals for their own state w/o so much as a counter-offer?

Bigger Point, ready?

What happens in 2017 when negotiations fail? Israel must be forced out?

[shira]

6. One more thing Obie...

Who the hell believes Palestine will be democratic like Israel once peace is achieved? That's on the resolution.

That's complete bullshit.

[oberliner]

7. Still better than the status quo

I would hope the Palestinians would embrace democracy and would reject the ideologies espoused by Hamas and like-minded groups. There are, of course, risks involved, but I think this is the best way to go at this point. The details seem pretty similar to the Geneva Initiative which I have long supported.

[shira]

8. No one will hold the PA or Hamas accountable for coming anywhere close.....

.....to running a democratic Palestine that can seriously be mentioned in the same breath with Israel.

Sure, we can hope but it will never happen.

Better that the resolution seeks to attain 2 sovereign states living side by side in peace.

Minus the bullshit.

[oberliner]

9. So you would support the resolution minus that part?

What would your preferred version look like?

[shira]

18. That's not my biggest gripe. The 2017 deadline signals to me....

....that if Israel doesn't meet all Palestinian demands, the Palestinians get their state regardless.

All they have to do is keep saying no.

No one will hold them accountable. This is a farce.

[oberliner]

19. Which of the demands is not reasonable?

The parameters outlined seem pretty fair to me. Do they not to you?

[shira]

21. The biggest obstacle is that Israel can't meet the PA's demand WRT refugees. n/t

[oberliner]

22. I think the sides could work out a compromise

Practically speaking, there can't be that many Palestinians who would want to move to Israel rather than the newly created Palestine.

[shira]

25. It's precisely because we DON'T know who these Palestinians are who WOULDN'T.....

...want to move to Israel that the conflict continues.

In the past 66 years you'd think the Palestinians would do some polling to figure it out, come back to Israel with the real numbers, and THEN try working it out.

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Nope, they've used the refugees as pawns for over 6 decades, they won't do anything to settle the issue, and they will demand that all refugees insist on going to Israel.

Or else...

They know they can keep this up for as long as possible. No one challenges them. No one questions why they insist on keeping refugees in camps in horrendous (apartheid - see Lebanon) conditions or why they wouldn't want refugees resettling in the W.Bank.

They are and have been serious from the start about their demands WRT all refugees coming to Israel.

[oberliner]

26. Poll: Palestinians overwhelmingly reject two-state solution, want Palestine 'from river to sea'

Goals vs. tactics

Asked what political goal they favored over the next five years, 60.3 percent replied "action to return historic Palestine, from the river to the sea, to our hands," while 27.3 percent answered "end[ing] the occupation of the West Bank in order to reach a two-state solution."

Another 10.1 percent said the goal should be a "one-state solution, for the entire region, from the river to the sea, in which Jews and Arabs enjoy equal rights.”

If a Palestinian leadership were to reach agreement with Israel on a two-state deal, 64 percent said Palestinians should still continue to press on for a Palestinian state encompassing the territories and Israel, while 31.6 percent said they would accept a two-state solution.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.601938

That's more than a little troubling.

[shira]

27. That bold print shows why refugees matter so much.

The Palestinians want 2 states in only 1 way.

Palestinians get their own state while Israel becomes a binational state, working towards a 1-state solution.

The refugees will have no choice but to "choose" going to Israel, even if they want to be somewhere else. They're being used deliberately as a weapon to take Israel down.

[oberliner]

28. Agreed

Practically speaking, though - the Palestinians have to realize that they are not going to be able to take over all of Israel, even though many would like that to be the case. If there is an international agreement for two states - including recognition of Israel by those countries who don't do so now - then that needs to be the end of it.

[Mosby]

12. What would make me feel better about this is something substantive from the Palestinians

Like actually holding elections.

If they are incapable of that then this resolution is just a bunch of nice sounding sentiments, except the part where all the Jews in Samaria and Judea are ethnically cleansed, including the indigenous families who have been living there for many hundreds of years.

[oberliner]

15. Do the Jews have to leave?

Can't they stay if they want to? Just be under Palestinian sovereignty. I bet some would want to stay even under those conditions.

[Mosby]

16. It isn't clear but there is this:

Reaffirming the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force and recalling its resolutions 446 (1979), 452 (1979) and 465 (1980), determining, inter alia, that the policies and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the territories occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East,

[oberliner]

20. It would be interesting to see how it plays out

Check this out:

The Jewish Settlers Who Would Stay in West Bank Under Palestinian Rule

http://forward.com/articles/192272/the-jewish-settlers-who-would-stay-in-west-bank-un/?p=all#ixzz3MItu9C9z

[King_David]

10. Unfortunately I donts see anything about LGBT rights there

And ending the extreme right wing bigotry against Gays in Palestine , new state or old territories.

[azurnoir]

11. were Gay Rights part of the withdrawal plan when the British withdrew from Mandate Palestine?

but yet........

and oh can you give us an example of Israel protecting the Rights of Gay Palestinians living under its military rule in the OPT ?

[King_David]

13. British withdrew in 1948…

As I said I see absolutely nothing about ending the bigotry against gays in that..... at all not zip I guess their oppression ,homophobic bigotry will just continue within Palestine as it does in just about every single country surrounding Palestine ,except for Israel.


How disappointing…

[azurnoir]

14. What has Israel done to protect the Rights of Gay Paleestinians living under its rule in the OPT?

examples please? and are you opining that Gay Rights did not matter as much somehow in 1948? Jordan legalized being Gay in 1951 more than 35 years ahead of Israel

[King_David]

24. Its not relevent to the fact that the bigotry

And hate in the new Palestine is not being adressed .

SHAME in 2017 absolutely shameful that this hate of gays persists .