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Related: About this forumNetanyahu crashes Paris unity march, French gov’t fumes
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/netanyahu-crashes-frenchAfter the French government began to send invitations to world leaders to participate in the rally against terror, Hollande’s national security adviser, Jacques Audibert, contacted his Israeli counterpart, Yossi Cohen, and said that Hollande would prefer that Netanyahu not attend, the source said.
Audibert explained that Hollande wanted the event to focus on demonstrating solidarity with France, and to avoid anything liable to divert attention to other controversial issues, like Jewish-Muslim relations or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Audibert said that Hollande hoped that Netanyahu would understand the difficulties his arrival might pose and would announce that he would not be attending.
The source noted that one of the French concerns – not conveyed to representatives of the Israeli government – was that Netanyahu would take advantage of the event for campaign purposes and make speeches, especially about the Jews of France. Such statements, the Elysee Palace feared, would hurt the demonstration of solidarity the French government was trying to promote as part of dealing with the terror attacks.
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jen1980
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BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)He doesn't give a damn about what other countries want. He also puts the Jews in France in further jeopardy by tying them to Israel and to himself.
Mosby
(16,319 posts)Why was abbas there, in the front no less?
He's the unelected leader of a non existent country.
Was he invited?
Why?
Politics.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The killers claimed they did it to support Palestine. Abbas being there in the rally against the murderers was as clear a statement as possible that the killers were idiots and that the Palestinians didn't want anything to do with them.
So, if it was politics, it was done not in a self-aggrandizing or showboating way. It was done to make a statement supporting the French. Netanyahu and the Israeli leadership wanted to make it about Netanyahu and Israel.
Israel's kneejerk apologists can't seem to understand that.
shira
(30,109 posts)Netanyahu didn't need to be in front or make an ass of himself, but he needed to be there due to Jews being deliberately targeted in the recent terror attacks - along with their families' requests to have them buried in Israel.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)If you can't see that, too bad for you. Netanyahu being there was not a good thing for anybody--except Likud political prospects.
shira
(30,109 posts)....but also praises and rewards it.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)that Nuttyyahoo is responsible for since the latest Gaza war.
No, he just is terror.
shira
(30,109 posts)If Hamas didn't shoot rockets into Israel and hide behind its civilians (which BDS anti-zionists always deny) the latest Gaza war wouldn't have happened.
No, you're just against any defensive response to Palestinian terror by Israel.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)the murder of children.
But we always know when the thugs are present when they ignore the death of children by calling it a defensive response.
shira
(30,109 posts)Why are you against any defensive response by Israel to Palestinian terror attacks on Israeli civilians?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Palestinian children. Why do you continually ignore that?
If that many Israeli children had been murdered by anybody you would be inconsolable forever.
Murder is murder, shira, don't make light of it.
King_David
(14,851 posts)First they started the war , second they rejected the Egyption brokered cease fire agreed to by Israel that would of saved thousands of lives and third they hid themselves and their rockets in schools and hospitals and everywhere children congregate - on purpose and fourth they refused to use the tunnels they built for refuge for Palestinian children.
These deaths are 100% on Hamas.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)victim on.
The war was started when Israel took revenge on Hamas for the killing of three teens by arresting and targeting Hamas leadership.
That was the start of the war, dave, but thank you so much for forgetting
that there is a timeline for such things.
Hamas started firing rockets, and Israel started killing Palestinian civilians and children.
But please, dave, tell me how I am wrong, and I will post the timeline.
shira
(30,109 posts)....from Hamas terror in Gaza?
It's interesting you don't assign any blame whatsoever to Hamas.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
It's always the same thing with the splainers, shira, and that is how they can ignore widespread suffering of the Palestinians then kill some more children while playing the victim: hoping others will feel sorry.
The only problem with that, shira, is that the world is pissed with Apartheid Israel, and nobody believes the boy who cries wolf over and over and over.
Its's hard to believe that Israel is a victim while it has the blood of so many Palestinian children on its hands.
shira
(30,109 posts)You're basically saying Israel has no right to defend its citizens.
And you're still assigning absolutely no blame whatsoever for the deaths of Gazan children to Hamas.
I find that amazing.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Its's also so fekking sad watching some tie themselves in knots justifying the killing of children.
Israel started the last round of hostilities. That's one big reason the world is pissed at them...that and the wholesale deaths of innocents.
No amount of rose-colored blinders will change that fact.
shira
(30,109 posts)Despite their using children as human shields, getting hundreds of Gazan kids killed digging tunnels, and rejecting every ceasefire this summer that Israel agreed to (which would have saved the vast majority of those killed). Heck, your BDS sources all defended Hamas' rejection of each and every ceasefire. Talk about blood on their hands...
It's revealing you do not believe Israel has any right to militarily defend its citizens from Hamas terror.
You accuse Israel of the most vile (imaginary) crimes, you let Hamas off free, and then you cap it off implying that Israel's citizens have no right to be defended by Israel's armed forces. They should just accept the terror, get killed, and move on. That's the only way to see it, given you cannot support any Israeli military response to terror attacks against its own civilians.
How odious.
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How am I wrong?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)as an excuse to go after hamas and target hamas they, Israel, were the ones who were responsible for the outcome.
Nobody defends hamas here so you can knock off the BS.
I was wrong shira. You're not wearing blinders. You're completely and willfully blind that Israel has the blood of children on its hands.
Keep up defending empire.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
shira
(30,109 posts)Glad I could clear that up for you.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
None? Go on. Tell us for the record.
shira
(30,109 posts)The Mandate survived the demise of the League of Nations. Article 80 of the UN Charter implicitly recognizes the “Mandate for Palestine” of the League of Nations.
This Mandate granted Jews the irrevocable right to settle anywhere in Palestine, the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, a right unaltered in international law and valid to this day. Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria (i.e. the West Bank), Gaza and the whole of Jerusalem are legal.
http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm
Sorry to once again confuse you with the facts....or am I sorry? Hmmm.....
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)None? Go on. Tell us for the record.
King_David
(14,851 posts)So Netenyahu had to be there.
Or the President of Israel.
Hollande sat with him throughout the service at the Great Synogogue of Paris.
There was no choice , the leader of the Jewish state had to be there.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Hollande sat through most of the ceremony, but when Netanyahu’s turn at the podium arrived, the French president got up from his seat and made an early exit.
King_David
(14,851 posts)LOL
That's pathetic and hilarious all at once.
Hollande may disrespect Netanyahu as I do but would never insult the office of the Prime Minister of The Jewish State when 4 French Jews has just been slaughtered and about to be buried in that leaders land.
Not gonna happen Mondoweiss need cut the shit , no wonder that Vanity blog was not welcomed to be posted here on DU at one time.... Should be unwelcome do here again--- it's shit !!!
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Some groups want to kill over it, and they are shit.
Some groups want to censor it, and they are shit.
Some embrace it, and are called shit by the fist two groups.
King_David
(14,851 posts)You will notice extremists, tea party,republicans,Jew Haters are banned here regularly. Mondowiss should join.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
I do notice overt yet painfully sophomoric efforts by some to curb whatever speech they don't like, dave, and unless this is their private site perhaps they should get over themselves.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)do with French Jews getting murdered by these animals and the obvious (to most) evidence that there is an anti-semitic angle to this attack?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)It has been reported that he wasn't going to attend until he learned that other Israeli politicians were. He did a great job pushing his way to the front if the photo op, and it appears that he pissed off Hollande along the way. This was not about Bibi, but he certainly did his best to do just that. Oh well, it is election time for Israel's George Bush so he has to like a leader even if that means pushing his way into the spotlight.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I saw the report. And I'll ask again. What does that have to do with French Jews getting gunned down? What's the matter, does it offend you somehow to point out these were anti-semitic pieces of shit?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)using the deaths of others as he has in the past for his own gain.
Try reading the OP for starters.
I also believe that you are out of your depth WRT to your accusations.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)All you're trying to do is deflect from what happened in Paris - not this piddly assed bullshit about bibi - about French Jews getting gunned down by jihadists. That's what your entire OP is trying to do. If you think it's gone unnoticed you have absolutely nothing to say about the vermin who committed this, you couldn't be more wrong.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Sorry you missed them.
The OP was about Bibi the asshole making the event about Bibi the asshole.
Stop with the grandstanding and the slurs.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Pot/kettle.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)This event effected more than just 4 French. The terrorists went after France itself. It transcends religion and race.
Netanyahu was/is the asshole politicizing it for his own crass purposes so don't give me your self righteous BS.
I don't buy it.
King_David
(14,851 posts)You said:
It drives some people crazy that Jews are responding in mourning.
No idea what that's all about but it's a reaction found among a small group of people gere and a large group of nasty websites that usually respond in the same fashion.
shira
(30,109 posts)Unable to acknowledge a huge spike in attacks on Jews in Europe.
Maybe Jews just cannot be victims anymore.
Maybe acknowledging the obvious is seen as too pro-Israel somehow.
Maybe the problem is that most attacks are made by Islamist fanatics, and to say so is racist.
Just guessing...
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)How kind of you to delegitimize that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=92570
the families and loved ones murdered in France, and everywhere by fanatics, but there seems to be several opportunists with blinders on: only willing to turn this into a religious-only event.
I wish they would stop with the nonsense and opportunist bullshit.
Peace.
I wouldn't gamble if I were you.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Same thing with Nuttinyahoo: crass opportunism.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 14, 2015, 09:32 PM - Edit history (1)
But not all?
It's quite the obsession.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Hence the OP.
King_David
(14,851 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)not the Jewish state, they despise."
Sad to see that your phantoms are up, dave.
Hence the OP, dave.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)French gov't fumes - French Jews cheer.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)What s lot of offensive rubbish --a good reason this blog should not be used on DU.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I guess that you need to rethink that a little...and who is rubbish.
King_David
(14,851 posts)A good reason almost no one ,besides 6 people here read and post it.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
Please stop with the finger waving, dave. It's almost as comical as a right wing state leader pushing his way to the front of a photo op so he can be seen with world leaders
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 13, 2015, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)
....for David Duke (Jeffrey Blankfort). They've posted articles blaming all Jews are responsible for Palestinian deaths, denied that the Temple existed, support Hamas as freedom fighters, stated this past summer Hamas should refuse every ceasefire, and if that wasn't bad enough - they defended Hamas' genocidal charter.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113417963#op
And you're LuLzing?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)It certainly is sweet of you to link to a vanity post, but if you want to be taken seriously you should back up your claims in this thread.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)that your words are filled with half truths and distortions. That's just my humble opinion mind you.
So no, shira, I'm not going to dig through you vanity post to find out that it is a waste of time. If you want to clearly post your accusations here in this thread then you are more than welcome to...just so long that you provide some proof.
Understand?
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Like I haven't done that umpteen times before.
shira
(30,109 posts)That's Jeffrey Blankfort, who wrote many articles for Mondoweiss.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)It was so bad, your favorite site Mondoweiss had to ban him - but only after he published over a dozen articles there and trolled the comment section as if he was being paid to do so.
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R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)So now you are standing up for Mondoweiss?
shira
(30,109 posts)Mondoweiss published someone they had to know was an antisemite long before he embarassed them and felt they had to ban him.
Like Gilad Atzmon, Greta Berlin...
All were good BDS anti-Zionists who weren't bright enough to conceal their hatred.
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I notice you're still silent about Mondoweiss defending Hamas' racist genocidal charter.
shira
(30,109 posts)See #48 below right here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=92522
Says Jews are responsible for 911, defends David Duke, is a Holocaust denier defending Iranian Holocaust conference....
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You do that too often here, shira. Badd you.
shira
(30,109 posts)Phil Weiss certainly knows Blankfort is beyond the pale while others wish to obfuscate from that fact.
Of course, the racist Blankfort is still his friend.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You were crying about, well you always cry about, Mondoweiss so now what?
shira
(30,109 posts)And the fact is that until they banned him, Mondoweiss thought he was A-Okay. Somehow, they missed all his vile shit before banning him.
Goes to show at best that Mondoweiss and their fellow hate bags in the anti-Israel movement don't vet their fellow scummy "allies" showing they can't tell the difference between far rightwing crank holocaust denying, David Duke fans from their fellow fringe leftists.
Been saying all along there's no damned difference b/w the far rightwing uglies and their radical leftist counterparts when it comes to Israel.
shira
(30,109 posts)....to change their racist, genocidal charter:
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/understanding-hamas#sthash.wTK5PFeE.dpuf
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/15829-why-hamas-should-not-heed-calls-to-amend-charter
Excerpts from Hamas Charter:
Racist against Jews...
Genocidal WRT Jews...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)with Noam Chomsky 5 years ago and a blurb from Team Shalom on Daily Kos with link that led to nothing
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Official Speaker at Occupy AIPAC linked to David Duke, Questions Official Naarative of the Holocaust
Jeff Blankfort was an official speaker at the Occupy AIPAC Protest.
His Dirty Little Secret: He appeared on a radio show right after the host praised David Duke. He went on to question the official naarative of the Holocaust and proclaim that 9/11 was a Zionist/Mossad conspiracy.
https://jaffagate.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/official-speaker-at-occupy-aipac-linked-to-david-duke-questions-official-naarative-of-the-holocaust-2/
shira
(30,109 posts)....is a Holocaust denier, says Israel is a cancer, & claims Jews are responsible for 911.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Actual Video:
Blankfort, Gilad Atzmon, Greta Berlin, Alison Weir, Paul Craig Roberts, David Duke, Kevin McDonald and other scummy, gutter racists have been on Tillawi's show to spew their garbage.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)now the vid at your web site came up as 404 not found
seeing how you claim this is very same vid give us what we're supposed to be seeing ya know at what minutes
shira
(30,109 posts)But that website gives the transcript of the youtube video I just supplied for you.
“To challenge the official holocaust naarative is to challenge the lobby’s strength”
“I think the revisionists have opened a number of avenues in holocaust studies and you see how defensive the other side is in terms of putting people in jail for doubting the official naarative. This has become like a religion. It’s like some ancient religion in which you are a heretic if you don’t subscribe to it. And this is what the holocaust religion has become. Unfortunately, we are not in a situation where it can be discussed historically like any other historical event…”
On 9/11 (At minute 22:15)
“There was much more to it than the official government naarative…There is evidence that the Mossad knew about this in advance…5 Mossad agents were across the river filming and celebrating…” Says report of “Jewish Supremacists” having prior knowledge of 9/11 “could be true.” Says “Mossad had penetrated the hijacking group”
On David Duke (at minute 44:15):
“When it comes to talking about Israel-Palestine – David Duke and Pat Buchanan are more informative than Noam Chomsky or people on the left”
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)he does not deny the Holocause or blame 9/11 on Israel or really celebrate Duke however once again it's your for us or against us no room for questioning just black or white no grey allowed
FWiW I am against jailing people for Holocaust denial now make of that whatever you wish but while you do that show us where I have ever denied the Holocaust
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you unequivocally accused me of Holocaust denial so prove it
78. Holocaust denial is a dangerous thing, azurnoir
It is real. My grandfather had the tattoos to prove it.
You deny the Holocaust, you don't belong in DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=92564
shira
(30,109 posts)....that Blankfort is close with Gilad Atzmon, Alison Weir, and Greta Berlin (he defended her).
He was too toxic for Mondoweiss and was let go a few years ago after writing at least a dozen articles for them.
He's one nasty SOB.
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Nice try BTW. You accepted how bad the transcript was and then demanded the actual video proving it. Once you saw the video, the transcript and video now proves nothing to you.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it's been fun playing shira thanks
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)game that I am expected to sift through only to find out that it is a pile of rubbish; whose sole intent is to stymie the truth.
No thanks as well.
shira
(30,109 posts)....Greta Berlin, and Alison Weir.
Blankfort was a big contributor on Mondoweiss until they found him to be too toxic and banned him.
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But beyond that, there are plenty more reasons why Mondoweiss is w/o question anti-semitic. I provided those reasons above and within this thread.
That said, there's no question the entire BDS anti-zionist movement is depraved and rotten to the core when the antisemitic Mondoweiss is their go-to website.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you're hurling quite a bit venom at DUer's who may support BDS as a non-violent means of protesting Israel's actions towards Palestinians IMO
also such black and white broad brushing of a rather diverse movement such as BDS usually isn't what one expect to find in a discussion with progrssives
shira
(30,109 posts)There are literally 100's of examples.
Not sure why anyone who's not a blind follower of BDS would deny the obvious.
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You wanna talk venom, you see that everytime someone pro-Israel is accused of defending and cheerleading fake Israeli Apartheid, racism, ethnic cleansing, genocide & terror.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)there seems to be DUers who believe BDS is the way to go as it is non-violent so are you making an exception for them ?
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I was not going to alert it
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Witness the hatred of Jews by BDS leader Greta Berlin.
Witness the BDS movement putting a severed pigs head in the Kosher Butchery .
I would say that description of the BDS movement was pretty mild.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Whether he did so for dubious political reasons or not - it still seemed to mean a lot to some members of that community in the wake of the attack on the kosher market.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Rabbi Menachem Margolin, director of the European Jewish Association, was quoted by the website nrg.co.il as saying that he regretted that “after every anti-Semitic attack in Europe, the Israeli government issues the same statements about the importance of aliyah [immigration to Israel], rather than employ every diplomatic and informational means at its disposal to strengthen the safety of Jewish life in Europe.”
NRG reported that Margolin said that Jews who have an attachment to Israel do not need this call, and they continue to emigrate to Israel in the wake of the events [like those] over the weekend in Paris. …”
The rabbi said that “every such Israeli campaign severely weakens and damages the Jewish communities that have the right to live securely wherever they are.”
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It was completely the wrong thing for him to say. He is a horrible PM and makes a complete jackass of himself with those comments, in my personal opinion.
That being said, I think it meant a lot to many French Jews that the PM of Israel, whether they agree with his politics or not, came to the synagogue for the memorial service.
With the horrible tragedy of the cartoonists, the tragedy that occurred in the kosher market is also worthy of some serious reflection.
King_David
(14,851 posts)But the office of PM of Israel.
Really bad time though during an election.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)French Jews are the largest group of Jews left in Europe. If they left for Israel I imagine that France's foreign policy towards the Palestinians would probably tend to resemble the Scandinavians over time.
King_David
(14,851 posts)There was more solemn and pressing issues at hand.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's amazing how they (and other similar outlets) have turned this terrorist attack into another opportunity for Israel bashing.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Yep
King_David
(14,851 posts)Mondoweiss has "sources"?
Israeli
(4,151 posts)By Yossi Verter
Just as you can sometimes identify Israeli tourists abroad by their loud voices, poor manners and gauche behavior, none of the hundreds of millions of people around the world who watched Sunday's Paris rally on television had any problem locating Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: smack in the middle of world leaders at the front of the marchers.
The terms that constitute guiding principles for the French people – façon and finesse – suffered their own terror attack on Sunday. There was nothing further from Parisian manners, refinement and style than the behavior of Netanyahu. Or maybe as he should now be called, Grayshirt Bibi.
Such behavior as cutting in line, sneaking onto the bus by pushing and shoving, using elbows to get to the front at some event is so Israeli, so us, so Likud Party Central Committee, that I want to shout: Je suis Bibi!
By the way, speaking of that committee, there is a technique which Netanyahu knows very well and that can be seen time after time when senior Likud officials find themselves on the same stage as the prime minister: With small, unseen ballet-like steps, these people will jockey themselves so as to be as close as possible to their leader, so that they will appear with him in photos in the next day’s newspapers.
The tales of Sunday's “delegation to Paris” (which was bloated, of course), started as a ritual and unavoidable farce. First it was announced that Netanyahu was not going for “security reasons.” But when he learned that Naftali Bennett and Avigdor Lieberman were packing their suitcases, the security considerations vanished in a split second, the electoral considerations took over – and he was on the plane.
How the wheel turns! An event that Netanyahu almost did not participate in for reasons of his own personal security – which is dear to all of us, of course – became all at once an event that would be almost inappropriate to hold without his presence right up front.
Even before Netanyahu gave his show on the sidewalks of Paris, his party demonstrated a new record in thickheadedness when it published on its Facebook page a post proclaiming solidarity with the Jews of France, with the symbol of the Likud at the bottom. A short time later the logo was removed, and only the solidarity remained.
On Sunday, Channel 2's Amit Segal reported that the French preferred that Netanyahu not come at all. His stubbornness led to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas receiving glory from all over the world by marching arm in arm with presidents, kings and prime ministers ־ right in the center of the very first row. Netanyahu had to endanger his life to reach the same central position, gently shoving the president of Mali as if he were an asylum seeker whose place was in the freezing Holot detention facility.
We must assume that Netanyahu’s show on Sunday in the march of the millions will not harm him in any way among his right-wing electorate. Maybe just the opposite: Not only are Likudniks unlikely to see Netanyahu’s behavior as reflecting Israeli chutzpah – they probably enjoyed every minute of it, and will prefer to blame the citizens of France, who it seems did not want him, of French chutzpah. Not only were Jews murdered on their soil, they dared to ask the Israeli prime minister to stay home?!?
To the left and to the right of Netanyahu marched leaders no less important and no less influential: Angel Merkel, David Cameron, Mariano Rajoy, Matteo Renzi and others. All are seasoned political leaders who have run in many elections in their own countries. But is doubtful whether any of them are endowed with the abilities or talents of Netanyahu. Maybe because they never served in the elite Sayeret Matkal army unit.
And now for another, completely different matter: While the eyes of the world were watching the dramatic images from France, the head of the Kulanu party, Moshe Kahlon, decided it was the right time to call a press conference and present the candidate for the third position on his slate for Knesset in the coming elections, Tsaga Malko. While the leader of the opposition, Isaac Herzog (Labor) was displaying proper restraint in the television studios, Kahlon, who has been accused more than once for dragging his feet, chose for some reason not to postpone his announcement.
Rather strange timing, we must admit.
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/.premium-1.636644
MFM008
(19,818 posts)inviting all the French Jews to Israel will get him sympathy with the international community or provide them with housing on land he has stolen hes wrong. He gonna put these people in hotels? Totally irresponsible.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)dballance
(5,756 posts)Some one enlighten me.
King_David
(14,851 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/113492298
You don't follow current news and events?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you seem to be unaware that the kosher grocery was deliberately picked and Jews were killed there for the crime of being Jews. Does that answer your question?
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Netanyahu and his cronies tried to coopt the message and the event.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)is how this became a Jewish issue. Try and wrap your brain around that.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that almost 10,000 French Jews (just last year) didn't feel safe enough to remain in France (because they were Jewish) and emigrated to Israel is completely lost on you. But no matter, it's becoming clear that so many would like the subject to turn to Israel and away from what the animals did in France. It wont work but it's enlightening watching you try.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)He should have listened to the French and stayed home. Then the focus would have stayed exactly where it belonged--on the terrorist fanatics and their crimes against French citizens of all religions.
keep whining about Bibi. That'll surely take the limelight off the real issue so many here want to ignore (not)
shira
(30,109 posts)I think because so many people associate Israel with Jews, it's difficult to acknowledge a huge spike in antisemitic attacks.
This makes the Jews (and Israel) victims, and as we know Jews are supposed to be the oppressors, not victims.
Just a hunch.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)YAWWWWWWN!!!
I did that for effect. Do you like it?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Which other Ethnic group was particularly targeted by these barbaric terrorists?
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Too bad you do.
King_David
(14,851 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)In a country where Jews make up less than 1 percent of the population.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Several of the cartoonists killed were also Jewish.
King_David
(14,851 posts)What a common and revealing meme this has become , by 2 or 3 regulars in this group no less.
dballance
(5,756 posts)There were Muslim police officers who were killed. Does that qualify as discrimination in your world?
There are thousands upon thousands who have been killed in Gaza. Every day the IDF kills people for no reason other than they are Palestian.
I am really tired of you playing the "Jewish" card as being oppressed. When you stop Bibi from allowing illegal settlements then I'll listen to your diatribe.
King_David
(14,851 posts)French Jews are "fair game" to be targeted by French Islamist Terrorists in the name of "defending Palestine" ?
Because they Jews?
Thanks for the clarification.
Well the Jews in the kosher restaurant were targeted and killed because they were Jews .
You should rethink and delete your posts.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)became the scene of a deadly attack, it is really that simple, yes people other than Jews died but the prevailing opinion seems to be that Jews were the target any one else was apparently incidental or collateral, there has been on going problems in France where antisemitism is concerned and Israel's supporters abroad and Israel Leaders are using this to encourage French- Jewish immigration to Israel, whipping up the fear is easy now and the message IMO seems to be "are you French or are you Jews, if you think you're French (insert reminder of 1930's Germany) then stay and wonder when you or your children's turn will come, if you're Jews make aliyah come Israel where you will be safe among your own people" simplistic yes is reality for either choice far more nuanced yes it is.
Also there has been an effort since the attack Charlie Hebdo to somehow someway lay these murders at the feet of Palestinians, remember France recently voted to recognize a Palestinian State, they have for most part fallen flat as Palestinians had nothing to do with this despite the proclamations of some here that we see
King_David
(14,851 posts)what other Ethnicity besides Jews was TARGETED because they were a particular ethnicity?
If murdering and slaughtering Jews in cold blood is not a Jewish issue then nothing in this world is a Jewish issue.
What's to gain in this denying so ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I pointed out it became a Jewish issue when murders took place in kosher market is that not true also? and if anything you in your post showed my point other ethnicity were apparently collateral, as to what's to gain IMO nothing however a couple of people have been marching up and down this group claiming this was done by the defenders of Palestine ect so it seems some wish to put a political spin on this
61. What an offensive post.
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what other Ethnicity besides Jews was TARGETED because they were a particular ethnicity?
What's to gain in this ?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=92545
Star Member King_David (10,528 posts)
58. So in your mind because of something Isreal does
French Jews are "fair game" to be targeted by French Islamist Terrorists in the name of "defending Palestine" ?
Because they Jews?
Thanks for the clarification.
Well the Jews in the kosher restaurant were targeted and killed because they were Jews .
You should rethink and delete your post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=92539
King_David
(14,851 posts)That I can't even participate in this anymore.
If killing Jews in their own Kosher supermarket precisely because they were Jews is not a "Jewish issue" then nothing in the world is a Jewish issue.
I'm not sure exactly what there is to gain from denying that but I'm afraid it's simply not debatable.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)there was no denial of anything
King_David
(14,851 posts)What offensive rubbish.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it is in fact your opinion too, however nothing save the hearsay of of a radio station in France which claim that is what he said is in evidence, the audio recording of the man does not back up the radio stations claims and there are those that would have us believe that Amedy Coulibaly was nearly running a switchboard while holding hostages making numerous phone calls nothing backs that up either
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/10/world/france-market-shooting-scene/
what is true is that Amedy Coulibaly cold bloodily murdered 4 Jewish people in a Kosher super market
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)If people must seek martyrdom, at least they should not take innocent people with them!
cali
(114,904 posts)"playing the Jewish" card? really.
You are what you are. Clearly.
dballance
(5,756 posts)A kosher grocery was picked.
How many Palestian homes and how many Palestinian homes and families were picked for destruction last week?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)And what does what happened in Israel have to do with French Jews getting killed in Paris? Lemme guess - you must one of those who is loathe to tag all Muslims with violence but perfectly okay with tagging all Jews with the actions of the Israeli government. Does that about cover it?
dballance
(5,756 posts)Jews in Israel have a stunning lack of humanity with respect to Palestinians. Killing or persecuting them is just a-okay. Taking their land, ripping out their crops is not a problem despite international law. Did you miss the Holocaust where that was done to Jews? It was an atrocity then and what Israel is doing to Palestinians is an atrocity now.
If I am not mistaken Jews want the Palestinians purged from their home land because two thousand years ago some mythical being told the Jews they were the chosen people. Today, we'd call that insanity. Because, unless on the fringes, we no longer believe in mythical beings. Because, well, that is just dumb.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)What the fuck does what Israel does have to do with anti-semites in Europe gunning down French Jews? I'll ask again, are you tagging all Jews all over the world with the actions of bibi and the Israeli government. I hardly need a history lesson from the likes of the deflectors here.
King_David
(14,851 posts)This is a democratic party supporting site supported by majority of Jews.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Even though the vast majority of the billions of Muslims do not commit terrorist acts.
When the Jews in Israel do not speak out against the Israeli government's treatment of people in Gaza then they are complicit in the oppression. Silence equals oppression and hate.
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)doesn't matter that Netanyahu was there so was Abbas for that matter, what happens in Israel has nothing what so ever to do with French Jews or what happened in France, to say it does is just wrong, would you have held Catholics in Chicago responsible for what Catholic IRA gunmen did? There is no cross over here, Jews in France are not culpable for what Jews in Israel do period
King_David
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LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)The murderers were not Palestinians, and the victims were not Israelis. Nor the other way around.
cali
(114,904 posts)repugnant.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)A Kosher market was targeted by one of the murderers; and four hostages were killed there.
The Charlie Hebdo murders were not related to anti-Semitism; but the market murders were.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)The two recent terror attacks in Paris were perceived differently in France and Israel, and the way in which the victims were mourned only highlighted the differences.
The vast majority of the French public saw the attack on the offices of the Charlie Hebdo weekly as a seminal event in the history of France, while the attack at the kosher supermarket Hyper Cacher was perceived as an act of terrorism that killed four French people of the Jewish faith.
The vast majority of Israelis saw the attack at the supermarket as the primary incident - both because the target was clearly Jewish and because all four of the victims were Jews. The fact that they were buried in Israel intensified identification with the second event and its significance, while France preferred to highlight the first event and the universal nature of the murder of the 12 people at the newspaper.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)asjr
(10,479 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)The other meme is a bit quieter, but it’s out there: Israel is losing legitimacy in the eyes of the world because it discriminates on a religious basis and occupies Palestine and is causing problems for the west. The country’s claim to be a Jewish democracy is an anachronism in our age, and one that sticks out like a sore thumb in the wake of Gaza. The people who express fears about the Jewish place in Europe tend to deny that Israel’s actions have anything to do with European or Muslim attitudes about Jews. But even these advocates are painfully aware of Israel’s delegitimization.