Israel: PM candidate visits gay club and promises marriage for everyone

[King_David]

An Israeli politician has made a campaign promise to legalize gay marriage if she becomes prime minister in the March elections.

Tzipi Livni made the pledge at a weekly gay party called Dreck in Tel Aviv on Saturday night (21 February).

The Hatnuah party leader will become one of two rotating prime ministers if her coalition with Labor wins.

'Good evening Dreck. There's a chance that on March 20 we'll come to celebrate the end of the period of darkness, racism and discrimination and we'll start a period of light, love and equality,' she said.

'Everyone will have respect and everyone can love and everyone can get married. And that's the state that we want for all of us.'



http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/israel-pm-candidate-visits-gay-club-and-promises-marriage-everyone230215

[King_David]

1. Vid

[Scootaloo]

2. Cool. Maybe Israel will finally catch up to Alabama

Well. Except on the racism bit, of course, but I guess we can't expect miracles or anything out of Zipper.

[King_David]

4. What an ignorant post

And shows everyone exactly how little you know about Israel and LGBT rights worldwide or anything about these topics.

As I have said I am very pleased to see you were unbanned from the LGBT group in our own DU , happy for the progress, but you still do not know about us Gays .... PM me and I will be happy to share some resources with you.

Tel Aviv named world's best gay city

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4174274,00.html

That's where we Gays go for fun fun fun fun.....

[Scootaloo]

7. You think nightclubs are the sole determiner of gay rights? That's pathetic.

And again, Dave. I didn't hire you to be my spokesperson. You can stop.

[King_David]

9. Huh ?

[Scootaloo]

10. I just happen to think there are more important things than party spots

[King_David]

11. Like being able to live as an LGBT person

And I mean live with your life..

Can't do that in Palestine, IS ,Iran , Riyad or Uganda.

[Scootaloo]

12. So is oppression and killing the way to change that?

You seem to believe so, at least in the case of Palestine. Tell me of the improvements to LGBT lives caused by brutalization of Palestinians, Dave. Does Israel's blackmailing of gay Gazans into risking their lives as informants liberate them in any way? has Israel invented the bomb that only kills straight people? When it beats, arrests, kills, and dispossesses Arabs, does it check to make sure they're 100% heterosexual first?

And if it did, would that make it okay?

[King_David]

13. Just as I thought... Newsflash : LGBT rights are paramount to myself

Others are willing to overlook such abuse and bigotry and extremism and subjugation. As long as it sticks it to the Jewish State everything else is acceptable and flexible.

Well I got news for you , LGBT rights are not expendable... No matter what anyone's cause of the day is.

Gay rights are paramount.... There is no excuse....

NONE!!!!!

[Scootaloo]

14. I think you're terribly confused, Dave, so I'll ask again.

How does killing and oppressing Palestinians help gay people, including gay Palestinians?

Because you apparently support killing and oppressing Palestinians. And you keep citing LGBT rights as justification for this support.

Also, do you think hanging a rainbow flag over the bombing campaigns, the beatings, the killings, the evictions and demolitions helps the cause of Palestinian gays?

[King_David]

16. LGBT rights are not a bazaar or a dollar store. nt

[Scootaloo]

17. No human rights are, Dave. So why do you treat them as such?

Seriously, why do you think the ability to go clubbing in Tel Aviv, makes it okay to blow up people in Khan Younis? What's the connection?

[King_David]

18. Another ignorant post

WTF are you talking about?

Seriously WTF ?



Another post not worthy of a reply , read this post particularly number 4 and 7....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=97066

[Scootaloo]

19. Okay, I'll walk you through this slowly.

1) I think we can agree that LGBT rights are human rights. correct? I personally hold all human rights as being equal, I'm not sure if you do, but i'd like to think so

2) We can also agree that gay people have it pretty bad in much of the Middle East.

So. Where do we diverge?

From your posts here, and in other threads, I get the impression that you think oppression and abuse against Palestinians - violation of their human rights - is somehow given a pass by Israel's better-than-Syria record on LGBT rights. As if one cancels out the other or something. From your posts here, it seems that you believe IS' murders of gay people somehow justifies israel's abuses against Palestinians. At least it reads that way to me.

if I'm not reading you right, maybe you could set me straight, let me know what's really going on in your mind, Dave.

My position is pretty simple. It's good that Israel is moving forward on GLBT rights. However that progress does not excuse israel's abuses in other areas. And i find it very puzzling that some people would try to make the case otherwise.

I would also like to know if you think hurting Palestinians is going to help gay Palestinians.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

20. Who has less rights. dave...

LGBT Israelis or Palestinians?

Does an Israeli, whether they are LGBTQ or not, have more rights than any Palestinian living under Israeli apartheid or not?

If Nothingyahoo had any balls he would have visited an Illegal Israeli colony and state the obvious: that they are illegal.

It's cery nice to go to campaign at a club instead of facing reality.

[King_David]

21. LGBT rights are not expendable and will nor wait until it's

convenient.

Any state or territory denying any semblance of rights and actively discriminates agains LGBT doesn't deserve to exist , doesn't deserve our aid and doesn't deserve our support.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

22. The Question was about Palestinians vs LGBTQ Israelis, dave.

The answer that you were missing was that both Israelis and Palestinians should be equal, but it appears that you can't even manage to state that in your narrow world view.

Any state or territory denying any semblance of rights and actively discriminates agains LGBT doesn't deserve to exist , doesn't deserve our aid and doesn't deserve our support.

But it is alright to actively discriminate against Palestinians, dave.

That is what you are really saying.

[King_David]

26. No , what I said was LGBT rights will NOT wait or defer for a more convenient moment nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. And once again, dave, the question that I asked was about both Palestinians and LGBTQ Israelis.

Some may find it strange how you appear both blind and deaf to one of those groups, but I don't.

[King_David]

34. Can't answer because I have no idea what you saying there. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

39. I believe that you are being completely disingenuous with that comment, dave.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. Thanks for your reply: Palestinians have less rights that Israelis: LGBTQ or not.

[Scootaloo]

24. So, the following nations do not "deserve to exist"

Algeria
Egypt
Libya
Morocco
South Sudan
Sudan
Tunisia
Gambia
Ghana
Guinea
Liberia
Mauritania
Nigeria
Senegal
Sierra Leone
Togo
Cameroon
Burundi
Kenya
Uganda
Tanzania
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Somalia
Comoros
Seychelles
Angola
Botswana
Malawi
Namibia
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Belize
Antigua and Barbuda
Barbados
Dominica
Grenada
Jamaica
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
Guyana
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Kuwait
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Syria
United Arab Emirates
Yemen
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Bhutan
India
Iran
Maldives
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Brunei
Burma
Malaysia
Singapore
Papua New Guinea
Solomon Islands
Kiribati
Nauru
Cook Islands
Samoa
Tonga
Tuvalu

This list is derived from just the bare-bones basic right of being gay without being arrested, tried, imprisioned, and possibly killed. A few on the list allow for female homosexuality, but really, we all know injustice for some is injustice for all, right?

So Dave. How shall these nations be blasted from the face of the earth?

By the by, interesting fact: Homosexual activity was legal in Palestine (Well, the West bank) thirty-two years before it was legal in Israel. Go figure, huh?

[King_David]

25. Maybe LGBT rights are not that important to you,

But for us progressives and us Gays and our friends it is EXTREMELY important.

32 years and still so backward, especially in Gaza but pretty backward Gay-wise in West Bank too. Shamefully so.

[Scootaloo]

27. Absolutely it's important

I find it puzzling though that you declare that.. what's that, roughly a hundred nations, "do not deserve to exist."

Tell me, are abuses against GLBT populations the only human rights abuses that worry you? It's sure reading that way. Which is really puzzling, because it's not like you have to forfeit some human rights to get others, you know? That is, it's entirely possible to support human rights for gay people, human rights for Palestinians, human rights for women, and human rights for Kenyan albinos all at once. You don't have to trade off one against another.

[King_David]

28. Strange question

LGBT rights are of paramount importance to me.

[Scootaloo]

29. Are you willing to let other human rights abuses slide, if the abuser happens to be "gay friendly"?

[King_David]

30. Gay rights can not be deferred for a more convenient time nt

[Scootaloo]

31. Should other people's rights be deferred, then?

Now, mind, I don't subscribe to the idea that human rights are tiered and zero-sum. i'm just trying to figure out what you think, since you seem really evasive.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

33. That's a strange answer to Scoot's question.

If you were asked if the sky was blue would you answer by talking about lobster pots?

[King_David]

35. You and Scootaloo continue the duet :

https://m.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

36. And you continue to be easily cornered with your two-dimensional reasoning.

[King_David]

37. It's good to see someone so passionate about their peoples cause

To the exclusion of any other causes.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

38. I guess you were referring to yourself there since you are undable to answer a direct question

without making up an answer to an entirely different question.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

40. In light of the apartheid win in Israel.

Your quote with a twist.

"Any state or territory denying any semblance of rights and actively discriminates against __________ doesn't deserve to exist, doesn't deserve our aid and doesn't deserve our support."

A. LGBTQ

B. Palestinians

C. Jews

d. All of the above.


Well, king?

[azurnoir]

3. I swear this woman reminds me more Hillary every day

she knows how to play to her audience however what is stopping marriage equality in Israel right now and will that simply evaporate or go away?

[King_David]

5. Exactly right ...

Do it now...

[azurnoir]

6. so what's stopping Israel from having marriage equality right now? how will that change?

[King_David]

8. We will wait and see if they deliver on their promise

Hopefully soon.

[sabbat hunter]

15. The right wing

and the ultra orthodox. sort of the same thing as here in the US.