More Jews From Ukraine Are Escaping to Israel

[King_David]

KIEV — Tatyana Orul would have moved to Israel years ago if not for her job as a television journalist in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk, which interested her too much to give up.

But when bombs started falling next to her house last year, she reconsidered. The war between Ukraine and pro-Russian separatist forces in the region had also put her husband out of a job. The airport where he worked now lies in ruins.

Last month, at a hotel in the Ukrainian capital, Orul and her husband waited with packed bags for the plane that would take them the next morning to Israel to begin a new life. She would leave behind her newly married son; Orul said Ukrainian law prohibits newly married couples from emigrating.


http://m.jewishexponent.com/jexponent/db_335779/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=ha3na59K

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

1. That's great, dave. How many will be stuffed into the West Bank to fuck over the Palestinians?

[King_David]

2. This is Israelis reason for existence

A safe haven and refuge for Jews.

I know that drives people crazy , so a little strange hearing that sentiment on a Democratic Party website ( the party of the Jewish Americans) such as DU .Usually extremist right wing express that.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

3. A safe haven and refuge for Jews...at the expense of their colonized slaves.

[King_David]

4. No ...a refuge of Jews in danger

What gives with this ugliness ?..Usually non Palestinians or non Muslims expressing that kind of sentiment have other motives.

Usually find that sentiment on David Duke or Rense or extremist right wing sites.

So surprising to see it on a Democratic Party supporting website the traditional party of Jewish Americans.

So I'll spell it out for you:

Jews have been in Danger for 1000s of years and is the reason Israel was created as a safe haven.These Jews are settling in Ramle ...within Israel .

Please let's not get this ugly sentiment being expressed now on DU by those not even a part of this conflict , but show their motivation for making this other people's struggle their one and own and primary struggle.

It was seen in this thread too ...but lucky it got hidden.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=99696

[bemildred]

5. Yeah, we wouldn't want any ugliness, would we? nt

[oberliner]

7. Accusing Jews of keeping Palestinians as slaves is pretty ugly

On this particular thread, I think that vile comment wins the prize for ugliness.

Lots of contenders on other threads, though, I would agree.

[bemildred]

8. Yeah, who could resort to hyperbole with such a serious subject?

Nobody goes out of their way to say bad things about Arabs here, do they? I submit that if you are going to indulge in these sorts of name calling contests, you need to suck it up, get some of that "Sabra Mystique" going, and accept that people are going to get annoyed and say unpleasant things in return.

It is always the loudest and most vituperative hasbaristas who also get the most sanctimonious when the favor is returned.

[King_David]

9. I gave examples , can you please?

About what you say is said about Arabs here.

[bemildred]

10. No thanks, I'm done. nt

[King_David]

11. Fair enough.

[King_David]

12. Is a "hasbaristas" someone who creates delicious coffee wonders at Starbucks?

[bemildred]

14. You're going to have to come up with a new rhetorical ploy to get me to engage.

Putting words in my mouth won't do it.

[bemildred]

15. That is not, however, a bad pun.

Credit where it is due.

[oberliner]

17. Israel makes the most moral coffee in the world

People who disparage their coffee but not other country's coffees are quite possibly anti-semites.

[bemildred]

22. The Arabs invented coffee you know ...

[oberliner]

23. And a Jew opened the first coffee shop in Europe

Nevertheless, it was a Jew who exported the new kind of drinking establishment to Europe, opening the first in Livorno, Italy in 1632. In 1650, a Lebanese known as “Jacob the Jew” founded the first English coffeehouse in Oxford. Sephardic Jews, many of whom also became coffee traders, soon joined with Armenian and Greek merchants to bring the coffeehouse to the Netherlands and France. But the going wasn’t always smooth: Verona authorities forbade Jews from having “women of any religion” in their coffeehouses. Meanwhile, in post-medieval Germany, authorities attempted to restrict the Jewish coffee trade altogether, according to the late Israeli historian Robert Liberles, because they feared the new beverage threatened their flourishing beer industry. “My people must drink beer,” proclaimed Frederick the Great.

http://www.momentmag.com/the-stimulating-story-of-jews-and-coffee/

Interesting article by the way if you are into the history of coffee.

[bemildred]

25. I'm more into drinking it, though I do hear it came from Ethiopia originally.

And I'll bet "Jacob the Jew" made excellent stuff.

And arguments about who invented stuff tend to degrade really fast.

[oberliner]

28. Yes indeed

This article, as well, traces the origins to Ethiopia.

I thought coffee maybe could serve as an area of consensus among Jews and Muslims, Israelis and Palestinians, Zionists and anti-Zionists, religious fundamentalists and atheists, etc.

[bemildred]

29. A more sensible thing to worship than imaginary anthropomorphic deities.

"My cup runneth over, I shall not want."

You probably would not even need to change much.

[Katashi_itto]

33. Do they make Waffles?

They have to be Pro-Israeli waffles though.

The Waffle Lobby is very well financed.

[oberliner]

13. You may have a point

However, I think it's actually the loudest and most vituperative anti-hasbarasitas who get the most sanctimonious when the favor is returned.

I would argue that DU allows for a lot more leeway for folks to engage in ugly attacks on Zionists than their opposite number.

But sanctimony is definitely present in all corners - no argument from me on that score.

[bemildred]

16. OK.

You have an argument.

I would say that enforcement of rules against ugliness is irregular at best, as one would expect with a jury system, and obsessing about the unfairness of it all is most unlikely to resonate except with people who already agree with you.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. What's unfair about asking a question about what an apartheid state is going to do with refugees?

Seeing how these refugees can at least flee to Israel, and potentially ransack the West Bank in due time, it is a fair question.

The Palestinians refugees the world over are not so lucky that they can return home to their lands.

But hey, one person's Vladimir Putin is anothers Binyamin Netanyahooooooooooo.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

19. It's actually spot on, ober, but please hide behind whatever fake outrage you can.

Apartheid is ugliness, land theft is ugliness and the hasbara that tries to find victim status in every criticism of Israel is ugliness.

[oberliner]

20. Thanks for this

I'm glad you are sticking with your claim that Israeli Jews keep Palestinians as slaves.

Hopefully helps folks who may be reading this to get a sense of where you are coming from.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

24. You're welcome. Frame it.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

27. Colonized slaves, ober. Keep up will you?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

18. The only ugliness is the usual attempts to play the victim, not answering truthfully and whining abo

How many will be stuffed into the West Bank to fuck over the Palestinians? How many have already?

Since I don't believe anything that comes out of Israel why would I believe what their plans truly are?

[oberliner]

30. "Since I don't believe anything that comes out of Israel...."

Well, there you have it.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. Yes, ober. Israel's track record frankly sucks right now. Do you want to defend it and its leaders.

[King_David]

36. You're very involved in the Palestinian people's struggle

And made it your own very own primary cause in the whole world.

A lot of Jews, Israelis , Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians are the same way.

A lot of people obsess over this primarily and have adopted it as their one and only primary obsession in the world to the exclusion of any other ,even though they not even a part of it.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

41. You're very much a skipping record with no quality,

and you really are not a spokesperson for anybody.

Perhaps if you tried to be a spokedperson for common sense that might improve your quality, but I'm not holding out any hope for you with regard to that.

[oberliner]

6. Slaves?

Wow - this is seriously off the deep end.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. Who is illegally colonizing the West bank at the point of a gun, ober...

while treating the Palestinians as fertilizer?

Who hems the Palestinians into a little plot of land while taking the rest?

Who?


a) The Mongols

b) The Navajo

c) Bob Barker

d) Israelis


Take your time deciding.

But if you want to complain all I have to say is you doth protest too much. If you want to conflate Israel as a Jewish state then own the consequences of Israeli apartheid and stop playing the victim.

[Katashi_itto]

32. You Forgot Republicans.

That would be a trick question.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

43. True. Republicans live to fuck everybody over.

I have been bested.

[Katashi_itto]

31. The Results are in. The Alerter will have a sad.

A safe haven and refuge for Jews...at the expense of their colonized slaves.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=99806

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Jews with their own colonized Palestinian slaves? This is ugly bigotry that has no business being on DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:29 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's an accurate statement.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I would like the see the poster explain this comment and trust that DUers will press him/her to do so.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Israel REFUSES to recognize Palestine, and as more Jews head to Israel, the more they push the previously agreed upon Israel/Palestine borders, effectively turning Palestine into ghettos. It may HAVE started as a safe haven for Jews in danger, but currently it's responsible for a LOT of turmoil in the middle east.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Political rhetoric meant to spark deeper examination of the issue; it is difficult for some to deal with the realities of this topic. Censorship does nothing, however, to enhance debate and discussion.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

35. The truth hurts hasbara.

[oberliner]

37. Which one was you?

If you don't mind sharing.

[Katashi_itto]

38. One of the ones that voted to leave it.

[oberliner]

39. No explanation given?

Or did you provide one of the comments?

[Katashi_itto]

40. I like waffles.

Especially Belgium.

Nothing like them after a Kendo Match.

Favorite food?

[Little Tich]

42. I have no problem with people immigrating to their historical homeland.

I think that the issues I may have with what’s going on in Israel is actually not important to these people right now.