So now it seems to be okay to call a gay man by a feminine name on DU.

[Puglover]

Glen Greenwalds new name seems to be "Gigi" and also in the same thread the same poster refers to him as a "bugger".

Please folks, talk me down here.

[QC]

1. We have always known what's behind the sheer viciousness

of the attacks on people like Greenwald, Dan Choi, and Ellen Sturtz around here.

This person is just being more honest about it.

[MNBrewer]

2. Yep.

Also the way they sneer at his living in Brazil, what with DOMA and all.

[QC]

22. The people who do it have been told more than once

why he lives in Brazil.

They post that attack over and over because it is a way to be homophobic without being so overtly hateful as to risk a ban.

And, of course, under the new system, anything is acceptable if it gets the stamp of approval from three random people who might be trolls straight from Freak Republic themselves.

So, to answer Puglover's question, it is okay to call gay men by women's names now on DU. Perfectly OK.

Gotta love those community standards!

[William769]

23. You don't need to bring Freak Republic in on this one.

Many on DU have them covered when it comes to this topic.

[QC]

24. Very true.

Some could give the freepers a run for the money.

[Bluenorthwest]

3. This is ongoing and some of DU's most notorious homophobes have been involved.

They hate Greenwald. This is from 2011, conspiracy theory about DU's gay people and Greenwald, stood in GD for days until Earl ppr'd the OP.
"I have found out that Greenwald is Gay, and I know from a lot of posts here at DU that many of the LGBT community here at DU are disenchanted with Obama. I find that interesting, because all of the LGBT community outside of DU strongly - and I mean STRONGLY - support him! I have many friends and co-workers who are LGB ( I had two friends who were T in the past, but we have lost touch as happens so often with friends) and they are appalled at Greenwald’s portrayals of Obama’s policies...."
Much more and many comments at the link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100297376

[Puglover]

4. Thanks for this Blue.

I will read it tomorrow. Frankly what passes around here is disgusting. I honestly don't believe it.

[dbackjon]

5. Wow - and I noted one that just got banned from this forum

Had anti-gay remarks on that thread.

[Cha]

6. No, I don't think that's right. I've refered to him as GG.. but mostly

I write out the whole name.

[Puglover]

7. Cha

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I'm not referring to you.

Thought you meant you didn't think I was right. We're good.

[Cha]

10. I know, Puglover.. just sayin'

I don't think it's right.

[Puglover]

11. Thank you Cha.

I appreciate that.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. I have not seen you use it, but lots of people do. DU search it, first time I

noticed it was in the 'Thanks DU Straight People' thread the other day and it was why I did not add a comment. Very shitty behavior. Deeply bigoted bullshit.

[William769]

9. It's been sanctioned, theres not talking you down.

Welcome to the New and improved DU!

[bravenak]

12. That's disgusting.

A bugger? I don't get it but I may be dum. GiGi is not his name.

[xchrom]

13. indeed. nt

[Pab Sungenis]

14. For the curious....

At Sun Jun 30, 2013, 08:27 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

God, I love that woman! She's so incredibly smart.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3129226

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This person has repeatedly referred to Glen Greenwald as "GiGi" -- using a feminine name to refer to a gay man. I know that many people here do not like Glenn Greenwald, but we should not be referring to him in a way that could be construed as a slur on his sexual orientation. It makes our LGBT members feel unwelcome. Thank you for your time.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 30, 2013, 08:40 AM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Another fake liberal using homophobic slurs to bash someone who doesn't toe their political line 100%. Refugee from the BOG? Or a HOF'er feeling the need to just bash another man? I don't care. I'm sick of it. It makes DU suck.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: I wondered who GiGi was and what the hell this alert was about until I read the explanation. The alerter is correct.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Read "no explanation given" as "I'm afraid to justify my decision" when it comes to letting stuff stand.

[Puglover]

15. As I said before I am very careful about accusing someone of being

homophobic. However this posters comments are crystal clear. Not one homophobic slur but 2 in one post.

Yes, "bugger" is a colloquial term for sodomy and that is not the most common meaning of the word. And had it been used alone I may have believed that it was innocuous. However coupled with the gleeful and repetitive "Gigi" it's a pretty logical leap to see what that poster is all about.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

30. A similar "GiGi" post by the same person produced a similar result:

At Sun Jun 30, 2013, 09:02 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You'd lose that bet.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3129196

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This person has repeatedly referred to Glen Greenwald as "GiGi" -- using a feminine name to refer to a gay man. I know that many people here do not like Glenn Greenwald, but we should not be referring to him in a way that could be construed as a slur on his sexual orientation. It makes our LGBT members feel unwelcome. Thank you for your time.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 30, 2013, 09:11 AM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I had no idea Greenwald is a gay man, and suspect many other readers do not, thus the term used has no negative meaning.

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: while I somewhat agree with the alerter's complaint, I would prefer to see it handled directly by pointing it out to the poster, rather than anonymously tattling on them with an alert.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This is crap. GiGi would be used if he was straight, too. Using the LGBT community to shut down discussion is a shitty tactic.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given

[monmouth3]

16. In my world GG stands for Great-Grandmother...n/t

[Puglover]

17. And what does

"Gigi" stand for in your world?

[monmouth3]

18. Nothing in particular, an old movie I guess...

[Puglover]

19. Yeah.

Gigi. Leslie Caron. Fun old film. SHE was a cute character. Glen Greenwald is a gay man. HIS name isn't Gigi. It's Greenwald. GG would be perfectly fine.

When I was a kid I was called a "fem" among many other gay slurs. It hurt. Alot. So when I see shite like this happening on DU I will speak out about it.

[monmouth3]

20. Good for you..n/t

[Puglover]

21. I do have to give credit where credit is due.

Although I haven't alerted of these posts it looks like juries are 86ing some of them. Frankly however it should be ALL of them.

[chervilant]

25. Just FYI,

I was 'juror #2' on the following:

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

At Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:08 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Yep. You've got to have FAITH to believe anything GiGi says these days. http://www.democraticundergroun…

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/? com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Referring to a gay man by a woman's name seems more than a bit homophobic, esp. when the person doing it also refers to that same gay man as a "bugger" a few posts later. This is bigoted hate speech.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:25 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Hate speech of *ANY* kind should have no place on this forum. Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Although this remark does not prove homophobia it is a bit inappropriate. A better choice would have been simply writing G.G. thereby closing the door to an alert. I vote this one ok. The 'bugger" post, however, should be separately considered for crossing the insensitivity line. Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much...

I consider this ample proof that homophobes are prevalent on DU, and the jury system is a joke, because homophobes and misogynists are seldom rebuked.

[FreeState]

32. +1 and nothing will be done to fix it either, sadly n/t

[chervilant]

33. Makes me wonder if the folks who run this site are themselves homophobes,

or if they just don't care...

[DonCoquixote]

26. I use GG as initals

like PBO or HRC. If his middle name was Glenn John Greenwald, I would probably go GJG. But if people think I mean "gigi", then perhaps I will avoid that. Heaven knows I can think of a thousand names to call that man that have nothign to do with his sexuality.

[Puglover]

27. LOL no no no.

There is a poster that is calling him "Gigi" and also a "nasty little bugger" Of course GG would be fine.

[HockeyMom]

28. Call everyone by their given first name

What is wrong with that? My daughter's given name is Allison. Her nickname is Alli. Everyone is satisified with that. I sometimes call her AL myself when I am in a hurry, but then I also sometimes call her straight sister RAY (Rachael) too. Am I allowed to? I am saying NEITHER in a negative way. I am their Mom and love them both.

I guess it depends who is saying it and WHY.

[pinto]

29. I think context is key. It's pretty clear that GiGi and bugger are slurs in this one.

I'm sorry to see the mixed jury results. Some juries removed posts from this member, others didn't. I'm glad they were alerted though. All jury members see the result and the comments from a juried post, fwiw.

[MNBrewer]

31. As long as the DUers at the "cool kids table" hate him, yes, it is acceptable.