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Interesting column
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/opinion/sunday/what-makes-a-woman.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Do women and men have different brains?
Back when Lawrence H. Summers was president of Harvard and suggested that they did, the reaction was swift and merciless. Pundits branded him sexist. Faculty members deemed him a troglodyte. Alumni withheld donations.
But when Bruce Jenner said much the same thing in an April interview with Diane Sawyer, he was lionized for his bravery, even for his progressivism.
My brain is much more female than it is male, he told her, explaining how he knew that he was transgender.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]It is horribly trans exclusionary, if not an outright hit piece on the trans community.
Or is that what you are trying to say by calling it "interesting?" If so I apologize for the misunderstanding.[/font]
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Maybe I am reading this wrong, but this comes off as "you are not as much a woman as I am therefore your opinion counts for less." That comes off transantagonistic to me.
How is Ms. Jenner defining womanhood? Looks to me like she is just being herself and just so happens to see herself as a female? So she is expressing her gender in way the author disapproves of? So what? It is Ms. Jenner's life and whatever makes her happy is none of Ms. Burkett's business.
Is this not judging Ms Jenner based on her looks and manner of dress? Isn't that the very thing third wave feminist have been fighting against? Why does Caitlyn have to live up to Ms. Burkett's expectations of what is or what is not female?
There are woman whose gender expression (which is different from gender identification) is very similar to Ms. Jenner's. Do their opinions not count? Is their gender expression invalid?[/font]
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Correct, their expression is not Ms. Burkett's nor did they experience the same experiences as the articles author. But that is true of every woman. There are many "woman born" women who don't experience periods due to birth defects or having something like CAIS. Do they not count as women either? None of this makes transwomen's experiences, their pain less real. It doesn't mean they didn't suffer! It does not mean they weren't shamed and abused for who they are!
And they don't experience fear of being too weak to ward off rapists? Really? [/font]
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The differences between male and female brains are caused by the drip, drip, drip of the gendered environment, she said.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
http://www.crossdreamers.com/2012/08/the-story-about-viktor-and-viktoria-and.html
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]The idea that gender is formed purely by environment has long been put to rest. David Reimer lost his life proving that.[/font]
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Those are realities that shape womens brains.
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]So is the author saying there are no female olympic athletes? What about Picabo Street? Kristi Yamaguchi?
Or is she saying transwomen don't face misogyny?
You know what else shapes a woman's brain? Being told to stop acting like a girl and being made to feel shame at being oneself. Being harassed for being not being manly and possibly abused. Of course this is what shapes a transwoman's brain, but that doesn't count in the authors opinion, does it?
I guess ignoring realities also applies to ciswomen as well?[/font]
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal] Sorry the article is too long to respond to everything.
I have not heard anything about any attack on Wendy Davis' slogan, but every group can have someone who is misguided. Trans activist are no exception nor are feminist. And I don't see what is wrong with transmen wanting to EXPAND the abortion rights fight, and pointing out that it affects them too.
I can't help but see hypocrisy in complaining about more inclusiveness for trans individuals in language from someone who claims to have fought to free women from similar forms of discrimination and privilege.
Also, it would not kill the author to not mis-gender Caitlyn Jenner.[/font]
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)I said the column was interesting because that's my way of saying I think the author is full of shit but supports her position fairly well.
The thing that struck me the most was the part about the women's schools admitting trans men. I have an issue with that. If you identify as female then fine, schools like Smith should open their doors for you. But if you identify as male, I would have to draw the line. As someone who is male, I wouldn't expect Smith to admit me. Being male or female, to me at least, involves how you think about things, react to things, etc. If I was a female student at Smith or wherever and I was looking for an all-female environment, I would have issues with the school admitting trans men. Genitalia does not make the person.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]There have been so many posts I have seen attacking Ms. Jenner I thought it might have spilt into here.
Again I apologize most sincerely.
I also totally agree with you with regards to the college.
Allowing transmen in, but not transwomen seems like it would offend all parties involved. It denies BOTH transmen and transwomen their identity while betraying all the women at the school who thought they would get an all-female environment.[/font]
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)but thank you anyway