Current draft of SOP

[La Lioness Priyanka]

Last edited Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:03 PM - Edit history (3)

This group is a place for members to discuss all issues affecting women in the U.S. and globally. Our goal is to keep this forum friendly, polite and respectful. If you agree with the necessity of women's rights advocacy and believe in furthering the legal & cultural rights of women then this is the place for you.

[laconicsax]

1. Possible re-wording (in bold)

This is a place to discuss all issues affecting women in the U.S and globally. We want to keep this forum friendly, polite and respectful however, if you do not agree with the necessity of women's rights advocacy or do not believe in furthering the rights of women, this may not be the place for you.

I like it better this way, but your way is fine as is.

[yardwork]

2. I think that is a great SoP.

[Gormy Cuss]

3. I like this re-wording. n/t

[kdmorris]

4. I like that! One small change.

This is a place to discuss all issues affecting women in the U.S and globally. We want to keep this forum friendly, polite and respectful. Therefore, if you do not agree with the necessity of women's rights advocacy or do not believe in furthering the rights of women, this may not be the place for you.

[laconicsax]

5. That's a good change.

[niyad]

6. like this one very much.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. excellent. Love it.

i am going to pin this thread, so that people who have objections can state it soon

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. couple more changes posted below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1138740#post10

[MH1]

8. Ok, I just posted on the other pinned thread, I hadn't seen this.

Primarily I would add the word "rights" to the first clause, as follows:

This is a place to discuss all issues affecting women's rights in the U.S and globally. We want to keep this forum friendly, polite and respectful ...

I think I agree with other edits above about the "if .... this might not be the place for you" part.

I might suggest further defining what is meant by women's rights, along the lines of, "By women's rights we mean addressing the legal and cultural barriers to a person achieving their aspirations in life due to the poor choice of allowing themselves to be born female." ~ ok not those exact snarky words! so let me try this again:

"By women's rights we mean addressing the legal and cultural barriers to a person achieving their aspirations in life due to being female rather than male." (ok maybe I could use help with the wording. Hopefully you know what I mean)


I posted at length in the other thread (very near the end of that thread) about my rationale for this suggestion. As an infrequent poster, I'll understand if you don't incorporate it.


(edited for - aargh - grammar error in the highlighted section)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. i do not want to use the words born female, as it is exclusionary to trans women

But i think legal and cultural barriers is a good addition

[MH1]

22. "born" was in the first, snarky version, not the second, because I noticed that too

But on the other hand, to be a bit argumentative (intended in a friendly way): why the hell would someone go through the process of changing their physical sex characteristics if they weren't "born" female? In the same way that it isn't a "choice" to be homosexual, is transgendering a choice? If it's not a choice, one was born that way, right?

I'll admit to being stupid in this area. I once made the DU mistake of referring to being gay as a "choice", because it isn't something I studied, and to me if it was a choice it was a VALID choice anyway, so why is it even important whether it's a choice or not? I've since learned that GLBT - at least at DU - are sensitive about that (IRL it seems the only criteria is to treat people with respect), and it makes no difference to me, so "not a choice" is fine by me, I'll take their word on it. It's true that I didn't "choose" to be heterosexual. But for what a person has to go through to change physical gender assignment - I would think there would have to something hugely compelling in their biology to do that. Which would come under being "born" that way, IMO.

But, I am not arguing the point with any intention of changing your view or what goes into the SOP, just discussing how the word could be taken in more than one way. (Also please note, the snarky version wasn't intended to be final. It was really just a "sheesh, excuse me for being born female!" take on the general situation in this world for 98% (or thereabouts) of women.)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. one more time

This is a place to discuss all issues affecting women in the U.S and globally. We want to keep this forum friendly, polite and respectful. Therefore, if you do not agree with the necessity of women's rights advocacy or do not believe in furthering the legal and cultural rights of women, this may not be the place for you.

[Gormy Cuss]

13. I like this addition.

Thanks, MH1.

[Gormy Cuss]

12. Pri, I suggest that you update the OP as we decide on later drafts.

That way the OP is always the most current version.
The edit history preserves the older versions

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. done

did i do it right?

[Gormy Cuss]

15. Yes. n/t

[kdmorris]

16. I like that addition! n/t

[Irishonly]

17. I like it

[niyad]

18. I like it

[Tx4obama]

19. In my opinion it should be reworded to be positive instead of negative

Perhaps something more welcoming might sound better like this:

This group is a place for members to discuss all issues affecting women in the U.S. and globally. Our goal is to keep this forum friendly, polite and respectful. If you agree with the necessity of women's rights advocacy and believe in furthering the legal & cultural rights of women then this is the place for you.

Just my two cents

[Gormy Cuss]

20. I like that.. positive is the spirit of the message.

Thanks, Tx4obama.

[OKNancy]

21. I agree - keep it positive

[niyad]

23. very good

[laconicsax]

24. I disagree, but like it either way.

Your way is great! It's welcoming and sets a positive tone for the group. I just see assholes taking inclusive criteria as an invitation to disrupt, but that may just be paranoia.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. i tend to agree with you but am willing to give positivity a try