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scmoore120

(45 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 08:46 AM Dec 2013

Santorum uncovers ‘a pretty clever system’


By Steve Benen

When it comes to health care analysis, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) isn’t exactly a credible voice. It was, after all, the failed far-right presidential candidate who recently equated Nelson Mandela’s fight against apartheid to the Republican crusade against the Affordable Care Act.

But on Friday, Santorum was in rare form – even by his standards – speaking at a Young Americans for Freedom event at the Reagan Ranch. Andrew Kaczynski captured this striking quote, which I’ve read several times, and which I still find confusing.

“If we have a system where the government is going to be the principal provider of health care for the country, we’re done. Because then, you are dependent on the government for your life and your health. […]

“When Thatcher ran for prime minister she said – remember this, this is the Iron Lady – she said, ‘The British national health care system is safe in my hands.’ She wasn’t going to take on health care, because she knew once you have people getting free health care from the government, you can’t take it away from them.


“And the reason is because most people don’t get sick, and so free health care is just that, free health care, until you get sick. Then, if you get sick and you don’t get health care, you die and you don’t vote. It’s actually a pretty clever system. Take care of the people who can vote and people who can’t vote, get rid of them as quickly as possible by not giving them care so they can’t vote against you. That’s how it works.”

Hmm.

In that first paragraph, I’m not sure Santorum has fully thought his argument through. For example, the vast majority of Americans do not rely on the government as the “provider” of health care services – the exception is the U.S. military, which has government-run health care in which medical professionals are public employees – and this will not change once the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented. (Under Santorum’s preferred vision, I assume the uninsured would go back to having no provider whatsoever for medical services?)

As for “dependence,” most of us rely on the public sector for police protection, fire emergencies, natural-disaster response, infrastructure, education, and national-security crises, but this doesn’t mean “we’re done” as a country.

In the second paragraph, Santorum may not appreciate the profound differences between the American and British health care systems. Either way, I guess Santorum is disappointed that Thatcher wasn’t right-wing enough?


And then there’s that third paragraph, which is something of a mystery. I think Santorum is trying to suggest President Obama was “clever” in creating a health care system that kills off Republican voters, but I haven’t the foggiest idea why Santorum would believe this.

Then again, I haven’t the foggiest idea why Santorum believes a lot of things.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/santorum-uncovers-pretty-clever-system
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Santorum uncovers ‘a pretty clever system’ (Original Post) scmoore120 Dec 2013 OP
Is he giving away the republican game? scmoore120 Dec 2013 #1
That's the way I interpreted it. I'm sure his handlers think "open mouth, insert foot". n/t woodsprite Dec 2013 #5
"Because she knew once you have people getting free health care from the brewens Dec 2013 #2
Agreed. scmoore120 Dec 2013 #3
I'm for a single payer system but of course do not expect "free" health care. Working brewens Dec 2013 #4

scmoore120

(45 posts)
1. Is he giving away the republican game?
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 08:48 AM
Dec 2013

It seems that they have in the past accused democrats of using a strategy that they themselves have/are using.

brewens

(13,598 posts)
2. "Because she knew once you have people getting free health care from the
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 08:58 AM
Dec 2013

government, you can't take it away from them." I really wish people would quit saying stuff like that. It's not "free" and we don't expect it to be "free" and we have never asked for it to be "free"! There may be no charge to us when we seek medical care but we are paying for it and the providers are being paid for their services. It's just paid for with taxes instead of the way we have been doing it.

scmoore120

(45 posts)
3. Agreed.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 09:22 AM
Dec 2013

The exchanges are still private insurance companies. One of the improvements is side by side comparison of plans but there is still much to be improved.

brewens

(13,598 posts)
4. I'm for a single payer system but of course do not expect "free" health care. Working
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 09:39 AM
Dec 2013

for a blood center, I certainly hope to continue to be paid. The only difference is I prefer a bureaucracy designed to provide health care to a bureaucracy designed to maximize profit by denying health care.

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