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ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:24 AM Jul 2014

TVHR--a solution to the feral cat population?

It's a new idea that shows some promise according to computer models.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130820-feral-cats-vasectomy-animals-science-pets-nation/

The idea is to give the toms vasectomies and leave their sexual prowess intact. They will keep a colony of females away from other toms and will not be able to get them pregnant. They will go through a pseudo pregnancy and not go into heat for 45 days, preventing further opportunities to be impregnated during that period. They also advocate hysterectomies for females, which I assume is not spaying.

Make sense to me: if you neuter 99% of all feral toms, there are still a few that are able to be busier than ever impregnating the females.

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TVHR--a solution to the feral cat population? (Original Post) ginnyinWI Jul 2014 OP
Spaying is removing the ovaries and the uterus. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2014 #1
the best paragraph says ginnyinWI Jul 2014 #2
Yes, both methods eradicate them in eleven years JayhawkSD Jul 2014 #4
Punny! geardaddy Jul 2014 #7
I'm inclined to mistrust studies of this sort. JayhawkSD Jul 2014 #3
the mating behavior is elimanated eventually... ginnyinWI Jul 2014 #5
"Feral cats are an introduced species and a nuisance to people" JayhawkSD Jul 2014 #6
in some places they are serious threats to native populations. mopinko Jul 2014 #8
I like the idea, it sounds workable, although Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #9

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,734 posts)
1. Spaying is removing the ovaries and the uterus.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jul 2014

Hysterectomy would be just the uterus. I assume the idea is to keep the cats able to go into heat but infertile so they would go through the motions of mating (with no results), thereby keeping any possibly fertile toms occupied. Meanwhile the toms with vasectomies would be getting busy with the females in the colony and keeping fertile males away. Interesting idea.

Could make a vas deferens in the feral population.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
2. the best paragraph says
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:37 AM
Jul 2014

"The results showed that if 35 percent of a cat population underwent TVHR, that population would be reduced by half and would disappear in 11 years. Alternatively, if the cat population underwent TNR, 82 percent of cats would need to be captured and neutered in order to eliminate the colony in 11 years."

So if only a third of the cat population in an area is treated, they still are all gone in 11 years.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
4. Yes, both methods eradicate them in eleven years
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jul 2014

The difference is between treating 35% of the population and 82% of the population to achieve that goal, which is a very large difference in the effort involved to achieve the same result.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
3. I'm inclined to mistrust studies of this sort.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:16 AM
Jul 2014

Every time a study comes, another one comes out six months later that disproves it. This study was done using "virtual cats," which is a computer program of simulating cat behavior in digital form. Hilarious. Anyone who thinks that cats are sufficiently predictable to be modelled in a computer program has never spent any time around cats.

The study also fails to address mating behavior, such as fighting, screaming, caterwauling and general chaos created by cats in search of mates. Neutered cats don't do that, but the plan presented in this study would leave that behavior unabated.

It also address eliminating feral cats, a goal of people who decry their habit of eating birds and other wildlife. For some reason, those people do not think that feral cats are themselves wildlife, and are in turn eaten by coyotes, foxes, feral dogs and and large birds of prey. According to the number of birds kills by feral cats claimed by these nitwits, the entire bird population of North America has been killed three times.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
5. the mating behavior is elimanated eventually...
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jul 2014

...because the colony will be gone. It will just take some patience on the part of the residents. Their model used cats who lived much longer than feral cats really do, so it might be much sooner than 11 years.

Feral cats are an introduced species and a nuisance to people--not a natural part of the order of things.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
6. "Feral cats are an introduced species and a nuisance to people"
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jul 2014

Not to me they aren't. Not to many other people, either.

As to being introduced, well maybe. Maybe they are just replacing other species which we have killed off. Maybe they are balancing increases in species which our presence has caused to flourish.

The Egyptians domesticated cats, as much as cats can be domesticated, to keep the rats out of their granaries. Maybe if we kill off our feral cats we'll be up to our eyeballs in rats.

"Their model used cats who lived much longer than feral cats really do"

Their model used a computer program, so who knows what would happen with real cats.

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
8. in some places they are serious threats to native populations.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 04:45 PM
Jul 2014

seabirds in hawaii have been decimated by them.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
9. I like the idea, it sounds workable, although
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:26 PM
Jul 2014

I wonder how much more it would cost to do vasectomies and hysterectomies. I also worry about the males who will continue to get into fights, because they often get badly injured.

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