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Texasgal

(17,047 posts)
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 10:14 PM Mar 2012

I am mortified!

Quincy bit a another dog at the vet today!

I took angel poof in for his follow up appointment for his infection. He is doing well btw.. anyway, I had him on a harness and a leash at the front desk checking out after his visit.

A young couple showed up with a baby dalmation in her owners arms. They commented on Quincy and how cute he was etc.. They pet him and he responded with the whole body doggie way kind of thing.

Then the woman put her dog down to "meet" Quincy, right in front of him. He growled and bit this little baby on his leg! The baby yelped and I pulled Quincy back on his harness! No blood or anything... I apologized profusely.. I was HIGHLY embarrassed and shameful!

Quincy is not an aggressive dog.. he has never attacked another dog before. I was shocked and embarrassed beyond belief! The owners were okay, but I am not. I would FREAK if another dog bit mine.

I just cannot believe this! I assume he was just nervous from being at the vets office. Maybe? I don't know. I am so sorry for the owners of that baby dog... it must of scared him horribly.

I am just mortified over this event! Glass of wine has been soothing!

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I am mortified! (Original Post) Texasgal Mar 2012 OP
Quincy was stressed out! digonswine Mar 2012 #1
Oh no! I can understand how you feel. Curmudgeoness Mar 2012 #2
dogs automatically tend to be nervous at the vet TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #3
I think they can smell death in the air CountAllVotes Mar 2012 #5
Stressful situation for Quincy MiniMe Mar 2012 #4
Layla's vet behavior get the red out Mar 2012 #6
The vet is a high stress situation for even the most well adjusted dog Stinky The Clown Mar 2012 #7
I avoid letting my dog "meet" strange dogs. wildeyed Mar 2012 #8
Don't feel too bad Meiko Apr 2012 #9
She should not have put her dog close in front of your dog. meti57b Apr 2012 #10

digonswine

(1,485 posts)
1. Quincy was stressed out!
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 10:43 PM
Mar 2012

Plus-we can't see how dogs communicate with one another.

You should not be embarrassed-dogs ain't people.

Don't be surprised if another dog treats Quincy that way. No blood---dogs tend to work things out for themselves.
I and my wife are camping enthusiasts with 2 dogs---you can NEVER tell how the nicest-appearing dog will react to another.

If a dog bites yours-my advice is to NOT FREAK OUT!! You freak out the dog more than yourself and make the situation worse.

I have fairly unsociable dogs--most dog owners take this apparent violence in stride and let dogs work out their own issues. They tend to know what they are doing.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
2. Oh no! I can understand how you feel.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 10:45 PM
Mar 2012

I am sure it was due to nerves. I have never had a pet who liked going to the vet's office. I know that I have always been humiliated that my cats are so mean to the vet and the techs, when they are so sweet at home. That is just the way it is.

I am glad to hear that there was no damage done, but I feel for you. You will never know now how he will react, but at least you know to watch out at the vet's.

So sorry to hear, but glad he is doing better.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
3. dogs automatically tend to be nervous at the vet
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 01:15 AM
Mar 2012

They can smell the aggitation and fear of other animals and their own experience has taught them it can be a scary place. Dogs will react to fear with either flight or fight, and it may be different for any certain circumstance. I always try to segregate my dog away from other pets while at the vet especially at times when it's busy and avoiding very close proximity to another animal may not even be possible. It's especially difficult to keep an eye on your dog while you're trying to write a check or discuss instructions with the vet or the person at the desk, etc.

There was a mistake made here by the women putting her dog down right in front of yours... a strange dog invaded the air space of your dog and in an environment that is already nervewracking for most dogs. But of course I understand how you feel... it is mortifying when our dogs do something that makes perfect sense for a dog though isn't acceptable in the human world. Try not to feel bad, you were the one put in the awkward position of having a strange dog invade the space of yours without your permission and when you weren't in a position to completely have eyes on and control of your dog since you were dealing with the checking out bit at the desk.

Having a big dog, I just feel better if he's muzzled at the vet so I don't even have to be bothered by worrying about what other people and their dogs are doing. I makes me much more relaxed which in turn relaxes him. Since Yoshi is a pup he pretty much loves everyone and would likely be submissive to other dogs, but now that he's getting older I'll likely use the cage muzzle with him at the vet not so much because of him, but because of ME... I just feel better not having to worry about anything going wrong regardless of who made a mistake or why.

Really, try not to feel so bad. No dog can be expected to like all other dogs nor accept them very suddenly being forced upon their air space. Dogs NEED to be able to check out another dog from a distance first so they can gauge for themselves what the other dog is telling them about themselves and decide whether or not they WANT that dog in their air space or not. This dog was forceably thrust upon yours without warning and without being given an opportunity to check out that other dog from outside its air space first, so Quincey's normal reaction was to protect both himself and you from sudden strange dog invasion. Had the woman put the puppy on the floor outside of your dog's air space and the two of them could have a chance to check each other out and read each other's body communication they likely would have been just fine with each other after doing proper dog ritual greetings.

Since the bite was light (it doesn't take much force at ALL to break the skin) this could have been Quincey correcting the bad behavior of this youngster for committing the enormous sin of instantly invading his air space. Dogs bite to correct especially youngsters... it's the force of the bite and the reason for it that matters, and it could be that this was not at all aggressive behavior but normal correction behavior that required immediate action. This dog was a puppy, so automatically Quincey knew that his own rank was higher than the puppy's, and this child-dog needed correcting (to all dogs a puppy is of lower rank... that's why puppies always behave as submissive and eager to please to everyone).

I'm so sorry this happened. From your description of the incident it wasn't your fault or Quincey's fault. He behaved normally for a dog and neither of you was given an opportunity to head off what happened. You were pretty much stuck with only being able to correct Quincey after the fact. But I know exactly how you feel. I always feel mortified if my dog does something inappropriate in the human world even though he was defending himself or me because of some bozo or some other bozo's badly behaving dog thrusting themselves upon us.


CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
5. I think they can smell death in the air
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:34 AM
Mar 2012

And yes, it sure stresses them out a lot.

Sorry to read that this had to happen for whatever reason.

I don't like the vet anymore than my now solitary cat does.

MiniMe

(21,718 posts)
4. Stressful situation for Quincy
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:35 AM
Mar 2012

He had already been in to see the vet. And now there is a stupid puppy, at least a stupid puppy in Quincy's eyes. A lot of dogs don't like puppies, at least not for the first few months. Puppies need to learn dog manners. I have fostered for a rescue, and have had pups in my house anywhere from birth to 3 or 4 months, actually I have had pups of all ages. My dog is not crazy about the pups at 2 or 3 months old, especially if there is more than 1 of them. The pups start being OK at about 5 months, but Gus still growls at them on occasion at that age too. It is a learning experience for the pup.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
6. Layla's vet behavior
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:39 AM
Mar 2012

Layla had a pretty bad cold this week and I took her to the vet where she proceeded to howl, making the weirdest sounds I've ever heard her make, then growl at a GIGANTIC St Bernard mix who was sitting quietly with his owner several feet away.

She was not happy after she figured out where she was , your dog was probably stressed also.

Stinky The Clown

(67,818 posts)
7. The vet is a high stress situation for even the most well adjusted dog
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:59 AM
Mar 2012

There are smells there we can't even sense, let alone understand. The "tales" of lots of other dogs' miseries are writ large in the air (and on the floors and walls) in doggie language. It is kinda like the dog version of all the din and sounds of prison we see on those MSNBC weekend prison porn shows.

We almost always go to the vet with more than one animal. Sometimes three at a time. We've had then snap at each other, let alone a strange dog.

We've learned to stay hyper vigilant at the vet, and to keep our dogs as far as possible from others, no matter how friendly they may seem. You just never know.

This sounds like that sort of case . . . . no one meant harm and no one was trying to step over any lines. If the Dalmatian was puppy, it might be fair to conclude the owners are novices and simply didn't know what could happen. Were I charged with sitting in judgment on this, I'd say this was technically their fault.

(If they were novice owners, a Dalmatian is a challenge. they are a breed that does best with an experienced owner . . . much like the GSD that went after Sparkly's Shih-Tzu.)

I'm glad everyone's okay.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
8. I avoid letting my dog "meet" strange dogs.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 02:57 PM
Mar 2012

They play with friends and neighbor's dogs, but it is too stressful and uncertain to let them meet and greet randomly.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
9. Don't feel too bad
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:24 PM
Apr 2012

Dogs will be dogs and no animals were hurt. Now you know the potential is there a carrier might be a better idea.

meti57b

(3,584 posts)
10. She should not have put her dog close in front of your dog.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 02:37 PM
Apr 2012

If there's a dog that you don't know, you shouldn't go sticking your dog or yourself in that dog's personal space.

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