We should hold politicians to their word... right?

[LP2K12]

I know this has been shared and posted time and time again...

For those who are asking that guns be done away with.

For those who are saying the 2A should be done away with.

You voted for the same man as me correct?

We should hold him to his word... right?

"I just want to be absolutely clear. Alright, So I don't want any misunderstanding when you all go home and you are talking to your buddies and you say, ah 'He wants to take your guns away.' You've heard it here, I'm on television so everybody knows it. I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."

By the way, this was taken directly from President Obama's YouTube account.

[ZombieHorde]

1. "We should hold politicians to their word... right?"

Only if we agree with their word. For example, if a politician says he is against gay marriage, and latter evolves on the issue, then we should applaud him for changing his mind, if we agree with him.

[Kaleva]

2. Are you going to hold him to his word on the AWB?

[LP2K12]

5. I believe...

in the AWB. It should have never been allowed to sunset. It should have been kept and revised to make it stronger.

[Kaleva]

7. It certainly could be improved. The old AWB had too many loopholes.

[Live and Learn]

3. Did he take your away? Did he take anyone's away?

Didn't think so.

[LP2K12]

4. Did he?

No.

However, there are those who are calling for firearms to be taken away. Completely.

They don't care about the discussion with those of us who would agree to things like ammo limitations, renewing and re-working the AWB, proper training, closing the private owner and gun show loop holes, etc.

They say, "it's not a right."

We say, "fine, we'll let you revise it to say it's a privilege."

They don't even want that. No guns.

It's not everyone, but it's enough to influence those such as the POTUS.

I'm all for reform and new legislation to make the nation safer. I'm even willing to have a limit on the amount of firearms I own. I'll give up my AR-15.

It's just tiring that some don't want that discussion. It's all or nothing.

[gejohnston]

6. Fine but

do you seriously believe that will chill out the prohibitionists? Make safer streets? Curb suicides?
I honestly don't think any of the three will happen and I think it is naive to think that it will.

Many scholars have suggested that Americans' positions on gun control are the product of culture conflicts. This assertion has been largely based on associations of gun control opinion with membership in social groups believed to be hostile, or favorable, towards gun ownership, rather than with direct measures of the cultural traits thought to mediate the effects of group membership on gun control opinion. Data from a 2005 national telephone survey were analyzed to test competing theories of why people support handgun bans. Instrumental explanations, which stress belief in a policy's likely effectiveness, accounted for less than 25 percent of the variation in support. The results supported the culture conflict perspective. Those who endorsed negative stereotypes about gun owners, and who did not believe in the need to defend their own homes against crime (versus relying on the police) were more likely to support handgun bans.

In other words, it is a culture war. The AWB now serves two purposes, to nip Gun Culture 2.0, younger and more diverse, in the bud and to divide and conquer "Fudds" from everyone else. None of the proposals you or any of these people support have anything to do with suicides, gang violence, the 20+ children that are beaten to death every week.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235209000932

That isn't to say I disagree with everything. Had you been around here long enough, you would know that most if not all have no problem with requiring NICS for private sales (FFLs still must do them by law at gun shows, which makes the "gun show loophole" dishonest as Bloomberg claiming that ARs have a higher fire rate than a pistol, implying they are machine guns. It was so bad, even the CNN interviewer laughed at him.) so why wasn't written in the law to begin with? Intrastate private sales come to mind.

[Abq_Sarah]

10. See, the problem is

What you are willing to "give up" isn't the same as what I'm willing to "give up". This is why certain rights held by the people were never meant to be subject to the whims of the masses.

[MotherPetrie]

8. Get real. Supporting gun CONTROL does NOT equal taking your fucking guns away.

[gejohnston]

9. but lately bans

have been mentioned a lot. Illinois tried to go after "Fudd" guns like Ed Schultz's, and ranges. None of which has anything to do with public safety or crime.

[Abq_Sarah]

11. Kind of like

Supporting speech controls doesn't take away the right to free speech?