Gun control: Surge in support, new poll shows. 62% want to ban high capacity magazines

[Electric Monk]

that carry more than 10 rounds.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-poll-gun-control-surge-20121227,0,6224756.story

Public support for stricter gun laws has leaped to its highest point in eight years with 58% now in favor, according to a USA Today/Gallup poll released Thursday. That's a 14-point jump from last year.

Of those surveyed, 92% of Americans want background checks for buyers at gun shows and 62% want to ban magazines that carry more than 10 rounds, which have played a frequent role in mass shootings.

But Americans still oppose a full ban on semi-automatic assault rifles 51% to 44%, and opposition to a full handgun ban is higher than it has ever been, at 74%.

The poll was conducted with 1,038 respondents by phone over Dec. 19-22, with a 4% margin of error.

more at link

[MightyMopar]

1. Let's pass these types of laws ASAP

[Tuesday Afternoon]

7. gosh, yeah. I think we should always be in a hurry to pass More Laws

[Lizzie Poppet]

24. Especially ones that will accomplish fuck-all!

Because, you know...it will make some people feel better.

[holdencaufield]

8. What could go wrong?

[Puha Ekapi]

9. Yes, by all means!

...and say hello to a Republican Senate in '14 and a Republican President in '16.

Thanks, but no thanks.

[clffrdjk]

2. Sample size of 0.0003% think about that and then tell me about your +/-4% nt

[safeinOhio]

3. Sample size of over 1000.

Sounds about right. You want to take a larger sample size and then go with what it suggest?

[clffrdjk]

6. All I am saying

Is before you risk handing over congress and senate seats to the repukes you might want to take a deeper look at how much support you have. When it comes to rights I really don't care what the popular vote is.

[safeinOhio]

10. There is no right to buy a firearm without a

Background check. If there was you could do it at any FFL gun store.
There is no right to 100 round magazines. If there was it would be legal to use one when duck hunting.

Public opinion is what makes sending kiddy porn over the net illegal and not protected by the 1st Amendment.

no right, in the Bill of Rights is absolute.

[gejohnston]

11. two things

does anyone make a 100 round magazine for a shotgun? Hunting regulations are not the same as gun laws.

People are harmed in the production of kiddie porn, no so much for guns. Big difference.

[safeinOhio]

12. I don't think there is any difference in either.

you left out the absolute right to purchase a firearm from a FFL with no background check.

[gejohnston]

13. there is a difference

between a gun law and hunting regulations. Hunting regulations apply specifically to hunting and no other activity. Federal hunting regulations, IIRC a treaty with Canada, prohibits using more than three round magazines for ducks. In Wyoming and Florida, you can buy all the 30 mags you want and use them at the range. Don't have them in the wild during hunting season, because hunting regulations limit you to five round mags. Some hunting areas in Finland require silencers, but you may remove it once you leave the hunting area.
In Wyoming you can have all the machine guns your wallet and the ATF will allow. You just can't possess it in the wild at anytime. Take it to the range, gun show, but not in any game field or forest.

you left out the absolute right to purchase a firearm from a FFL with no background check.

I never opposed background checks on private sales in principle.

[safeinOhio]

20. If it is not a violation of your rights to not have more

than 3 rounds in your shotgun in the woods, then it would not be a violation of your rights not to have 30 rounds in your rifle while not on your own property.

My point is that the 2nd, like any other right, is not absolute. The poster seem to think any regulation was infringing on his rights. I'm suggesting that regulating magazine capacity is no more an infringement than posting slander or child porn is to the 1st.

While laws protecting children from sexual predators is appropriate, protecting 20 6 and 7 year olds from taking 5 to 11 shots in the face is also.

[gejohnston]

28. you can have them in the woods

just not hunting ducks. I can take a any round mag in the woods, just not for hunting.

The "no machine guns in the woods" is specific to machine guns and only to Wyoming.

[Oglee]

15. Have you ever purchased a firearm? You must pass a background check when purchasing one

From any legit dealer.

[safeinOhio]

18. That's my point.

The article states that a majority support background checks on ALL sales. My point being that if it is not a violation of one's right to require a background check on FFL sales, the same could be true on private sales, as it is in some states.

[rl6214]

19. Can you tell us how something like that could be enforced?

[safeinOhio]

21. Long jail sentences along

with stings on private sales. With records on sales, it might not be a good idea to be caught with an illegally sold weapon. Most responsible gun owners and the general public support checks on all sales. Enforcement of background checks on FFL sales seem to work pretty well.

[rl6214]

22. Checks might work at gun shows but

I think it would be kinda hard to enforce between a couple of buddies at the kitchen table. It would be easy at a gun show thoughto have a transaction checker at the door kinda like the SAMs club door checker.

[safeinOhio]

23. I don't know.

I legally purchased a handgun at a garage sale with no questions asked. If the seller faced a large fine and jail time, they might have sought a way to get a background check. One can also purchase a firearm from a classified add in the paper here with no questions asked. It would put an end to those sales.

I don't see any illegal drugs sold in garage sales or in newspaper classified adds.

[Electric Monk]

25. Albemarle man arrested after Craigslist-related marijuana bust

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/article_e925c9b2-2dc2-11e2-aa6c-0019bb30f31a.html

Police arrested Hunter Brown, 22, of Albemarle County, after he sold two ounces of marijuana to undercover members of the task force, authorities said Tuesday.

"It was very surprising for us to see that somebody was advertising narcotics on Craigslist," said Sgt. Tim Aylor with the task force. "We’ve seen stolen property and prostitution rings there before, but nothing like this."

...

"It didn’t outright state, ‘Marijuana for sale,’ you had to read between the lines," he said. "Anyone who knew what to look for knew exactly what (the poster) was selling."

[rl6214]

41. No they just go underground

What do you think of the idea of having one person at gun shows to check all gun transactions as people leave and/or have one designated FFL at shows to do background checks and paperwork for a small fee?

[safeinOhio]

42. I've seen as many guns trade hands

in the parking lot of gun shows as inside. Then there are the ones sold in classified ads and yard sales. I'm for ALL handguns sales requiring background checks. Ones sold without a check should be a felony. No it won't stop every one, just lots of them.

With the latest shootings and all the bull crap I hear everyday from assholes about an armed revolution against Obama, I'm now in favor of the same for any semi-auto rifle too.

Laws against kiddy porn have driven it underground, way underground. I'm sure that along with enforcement have made it much less prevalent. Would be the same for certain firearms.

[jmg257]

4. Wow - background checks at gun shows...that's effective.

And certainly hi-cap mags should go, well - new ones anyway. I guess shooters will just have to make due with the millions already out there.

What are we doing? Anything that will actually make a difference?

[slackmaster]

5. Ask a slightly different question today or the same one two weeks from now

You'll get a totally different result.

[Undismayed]

14. A majority of people supporting something doesn't make it right.

Frankly, it's irrelevant. You could get 60% for any number of ridiculous ideas if you framed the question properly and sprinkled it with loaded language. People are fickle.

[sylvi]

17. Doesn't surprise me

Given the hysteria and misinformation furnished by the MSM. Of course, hysteria is one of the things that sells newspapers and "puts asses in the seats" in front of the TV news and news web sites. Facts and perspective are often more mundane.

Tonight on the news I saw Diane Sawyer interviewing the parent of one of the victims of the Columbine shooting.

I tried to remember the last time I saw an interview on a national news program with someone who had defended their own or someone else's life with a gun...and couldn't.

[Remmah2]

26. Two wolves and a sheep vote on what's for dinner.

The wolves voted that mutton sounds good.

[Electric Monk]

27. Fine NRA analogy, except the gun nuts are closer to wolves than sheep, wouldn't you agree?

We're voting to de-fang you predator wolves before collectively deciding what's for dinner. Enough is enough.

[gejohnston]

29. no because

gun nuts don't commit the murders for the most part. IIRC, it comes from a quote attributed to Ben Franklin.
None of these high profile spree killers are "gun nuts" as I would use the term. They certainly were gamers.

[Electric Monk]

30. No true Scotsman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022160050

[gejohnston]

31. pot meet kettle

the Colorado shooter did not own guns before then,
JL didn't either.
Portland shooter stole his
so did Sandy Creek.

Not exactly gun nuts with big collections.

[Electric Monk]

32. Tell me again about the guns they didn't use for their killing sprees

[gejohnston]

34. your point?

you said gun nut. It means something specific. So, you are doing it wrong.

[Electric Monk]

35. Yeah, they could've just as easily used something else, like lawn furniture, maybe

[gejohnston]

36. or bombs.

do you have a logical point to make?

[Electric Monk]

37. I made my point a long time ago

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=101668

edited to add: Look who else agrees with me http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014361836

[Electric Monk]

40. So your view on gun control runs counter to President Obama's, VP Biden's, and ex-Pres Clinton's

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and you think I'm the one who looks ridiculous here? You just might be on the wrong website.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022164232

[Remmah2]

38. you missed box cutters.

nt

[Remmah2]

33. Was Ben Franklin a NRA member?

http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/poor_richard.html