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So, what's the problem with background checks and sales records for ammo buys? (Original Post) jpak Jan 2013 OP
I don't have a problem with either if done reasonably ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #1
I think it's a good idea. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #2
All ammo purchases -and a searchable federal data base for large quantities jpak Jan 2013 #3
The government purchases large quantities. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #5
Who gets to search this database? Hangingon Jan 2013 #6
FBI - any law enforcement agency - Ammo tax jpak Jan 2013 #7
You have an odd definition of "large". ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #45
Correct. Skyline Jan 2013 #61
I bought one bucket of 22lr this week and it was 1400 rds rl6214 Jan 2013 #75
Sounds like a legit use, so safeinOhio Jan 2013 #87
Good idea on ammo purchases as safeinOhio Jan 2013 #86
Sales check on meth and bongs too. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #4
and background checks for Red Dawn rentals too jpak Jan 2013 #9
Works for me. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #79
someone should lay off the meth frylock Jan 2013 #31
cost? hassle of record-keeping? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #8
based on that argument, sounds like you want us to get rid of the DMV and car registration CreekDog Jan 2013 #78
based on that argument, sounds like you want registration of gasoline purchases JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #80
It will accompish nothing while costing much. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #10
Like the records kept Control-Z Jan 2013 #11
Those records are stupid to keep too. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #12
Accomplish?- identify ubergun nuts as threats to society jpak Jan 2013 #13
So the state has a list of people that buy a lot of ammo. krispos42 Jan 2013 #16
Drone Strike jpak Jan 2013 #19
"protection orders" krispos42 Jan 2013 #21
OK - so a douchebag buys 10 guns and 10,000 rounds of ammo in a month jpak Jan 2013 #33
You know what they say about... Bay Boy Jan 2013 #59
from or against what/whome? ileus Jan 2013 #28
Here's a prime candidate.... jpak Jan 2013 #38
With our current DHS philosophy, possibly any of the above cbrer Jan 2013 #81
Do you mean Berserker Jan 2013 #71
Those are to enforce a limit on sudefed purchases krispos42 Jan 2013 #17
Stop this crimnal bull shit will you? upaloopa Jan 2013 #26
Rampage shooters don't use a lot of ammo either. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #30
You mean these rampage shooters? jpak Jan 2013 #67
Those were not rampage shooters. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #69
What horseshit - it was a shooting rampage - ask the cops jpak Jan 2013 #82
Spin Spin Spin Berserker Jan 2013 #73
Anyone who shouldn't have ammunition should either be in prison or a mental hospital slackmaster Jan 2013 #14
Same problem as showing photo ID to vote krispos42 Jan 2013 #15
I think background checks have helped a lot safeinOhio Jan 2013 #88
Why? madville Jan 2013 #18
A convicted felon can now walk out of Walmart with a truckload of ammo jpak Jan 2013 #20
Criminals don't use truckloads of ammo. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #22
"The only people inconvenienced by your law would be legal gun owners." guardian Jan 2013 #24
The same as all gun laws....it's about control. They don't like what they can't control. ileus Jan 2013 #29
Felons don't need ammo period - why do you want them to buy ammo? jpak Jan 2013 #34
How are you going to stop them from getting some? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #43
You can start by stopping them from buying them legally at Walmart jpak Jan 2013 #47
So he has his wife/girlfriend pick up a box of ammo for him. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #52
Another asshole that will be convicted of a felony and banned from buying ammo jpak Jan 2013 #53
Only if caught and convicted. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #83
If there were ammo sales records, law enforcement could connect the dots jpak Jan 2013 #84
How? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #85
Good argument to require safeinOhio Jan 2013 #89
It has been done before. It didn't accomplish anything. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #91
That's already a felony madville Jan 2013 #23
No it is not jpak Jan 2013 #48
Yes it is illegal for a felon to receive or possess ammunition already madville Jan 2013 #58
But they can BUY ammo with no questions asked jpak Jan 2013 #68
Thanks to the shrill cries of gun-control extremists... Clames Jan 2013 #32
LOL!!!!!111 Gunners want felons to buy ammo jpak Jan 2013 #36
Reasonable people... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #39
Guns everywhere by everybody doesn't stop criminals jpak Jan 2013 #41
You still haven't explained... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #46
Yeah - banning felons from buying ammo won't stop tax cheats jpak Jan 2013 #49
You don't mean that. beevul Jan 2013 #51
LOL!!! Your failure of reading comprehension. Clames Jan 2013 #40
So why do you want felons to buy ammo? jpak Jan 2013 #42
Show exactly where I stated I did? Clames Jan 2013 #56
Alot of problems- Mainly because IT'S ALREADY BEEN TRIED BEFORE bossy22 Jan 2013 #25
Yeah - way before personal computers were widely used jpak Jan 2013 #35
you obviously aren't an IT person bossy22 Jan 2013 #55
Was Lanza or the CO shooter Bay Boy Jan 2013 #62
Wouldn't that just be a target list for confiscation? dkf Jan 2013 #27
Red Dawn was only a movie - it was not real jpak Jan 2013 #37
Problem is, the grab nuts have made their intentions clear. Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #44
Paranoia is a mental illness - that can be used to grab your guns jpak Jan 2013 #50
Would you have a problem shadowrider Jan 2013 #54
What... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #57
It would be OK if... Bay Boy Jan 2013 #63
No - I want squadrons of Black Helicopters deploying Squads of Jackbooted Blue Helmets jpak Jan 2013 #72
no dude. black helmets - who needs a warrant when you have guns and drones? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #77
I think it is a great idea. We need to keep lists on everybody about every little thing they do. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #60
The problem is usually with the implementation details. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #64
'Background checks' who said there's a problem? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #65
I remember many years ago that sales records for any handgun ammo was tracked ... spin Jan 2013 #66
spin, what would an ID check do? It's easily avoided and ammunition can be used by anyone. jody Jan 2013 #70
Adding a code to a driver's license is a possibility that's worth considering ... spin Jan 2013 #74
What if they make their own? Publiuus Jan 2013 #76
Most criminals wouldn't have any idea safeinOhio Jan 2013 #90

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
1. I don't have a problem with either if done reasonably
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:38 AM
Jan 2013

Make them reasonable in cost and fairly speedy and I am good with checks on all transactions, including gifts and inheritance. I like the FOID model, though other do not.

Sales records for ammo is a very wide open term. There should not be a waiting period or background check to buy a brick of 22LR at a sporting goods store. What do you have in mind?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
2. I think it's a good idea.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:44 AM
Jan 2013

Simple enough to run a quick NICS check. Because people often buy ammunition is very small quantities, the fee should be a modest percentage of the sale.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
3. All ammo purchases -and a searchable federal data base for large quantities
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:45 AM
Jan 2013

1000 rounds .22 LR

100 rounds everything else.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
5. The government purchases large quantities.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jan 2013

They should be able to account for it as well. Inclusive of public records.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
45. You have an odd definition of "large".
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jan 2013

> All ammo purchases -and a searchable federal data base for large quantities
> 1000 rounds .22 LR
> 100 rounds everything else.

Your suggestion is 2 bricks of .22lr and 2 boxes of handgun ammo. Hardly "large" by any stretch.

Anyone who pratices on a regular basis is buying ammo by the case (1000 rounds) for the bulk discount.

However, I would give you that any mulitple cases of a single caliber might be worth flagging, if there was a reasonable reason for doing so.


 

Skyline

(35 posts)
61. Correct.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:18 PM
Jan 2013

I use at least 1,500 rounds of 5.56 and 1,000 rounds 9mm a month.

Goin to the gun range is a family event in my family. It gives us time to all get together once a month and have a good time shooting paper targets. Because of this we all chip in to purchase ammo by the cartons. We buy 2 cartons of 5.56(1,000 rounds each) a month and 4 bricks of 9mm(500 rounds) as well.

No one in my family has ever had to use a firearm to hurt anyone and we do not ever plan to, to us its a sport in which the whole family can participate in(all the guns belong to me) and something like this would only inconvenience law abiding people.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
75. I bought one bucket of 22lr this week and it was 1400 rds
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:14 AM
Jan 2013

I also bought 400 rds of .223, 200 rds of .45acp, 200 rds of .380 auto and a new progressive reloading press...I am going to the range this weekend to train two new shooters and plan to shoot ALL of it up...except for he .223

safeinOhio

(32,683 posts)
87. Sounds like a legit use, so
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:48 PM
Jan 2013

why would it bother you, as you would still be able to make the purchase?

safeinOhio

(32,683 posts)
86. Good idea on ammo purchases as
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:46 PM
Jan 2013

it does not prohibit any purchase, only records it.

If the local skinhead militia members buy lots of ammo, the Feds might have an idea of how much, or how much mayhem they are planning on.

Would have no affect on legit target shooters.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
8. cost? hassle of record-keeping?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jan 2013

... all of our background check agents are busy. Your call is important to us. Please stay on the line ...

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
78. based on that argument, sounds like you want us to get rid of the DMV and car registration
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:15 AM
Jan 2013

can't inconvenience anybody!

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
80. based on that argument, sounds like you want registration of gasoline purchases
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:11 PM
Jan 2013

the OP was about registration of ammo sales, not gun sales.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
10. It will accompish nothing while costing much.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:58 AM
Jan 2013

Criminals don't use much ammo. The same set of bullets can be used for multiple robberies. A drive-by uses only a few rounds, about one magazine per gun.

There would be no way to track the ammo without a really huge expense and massive record keeping.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
11. Like the records kept
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jan 2013

Last edited Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:39 PM - Edit history (1)

on sudafed purchases and many prescription drugs?

It appears we can afford to track all those dangerous moms who are dosing their kids with cold medicine. I don't see why we can't we use that same system for guns and ammo.

Edit: to fix typos from smart phone posting.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
12. Those records are stupid to keep too.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:22 PM
Jan 2013

They also accomplish nothing.

What do you expect tracking ammo sales to accomplish?

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
16. So the state has a list of people that buy a lot of ammo.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:50 PM
Jan 2013

What does the state then do?


Arrest him? Seize the ammo? Seize the guns? Put a cop on him 24/7? Prevent him from buying more? Keep him from voting? Keep him from flying? Boarding trains?

jpak

(41,758 posts)
19. Drone Strike
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:56 PM
Jan 2013

or not....

It would flag gun and ammo hoarders and make sure local law enforcement knows who is a potential threat.

They could issue protection orders as the evidence warrants.

Yup

jpak

(41,758 posts)
33. OK - so a douchebag buys 10 guns and 10,000 rounds of ammo in a month
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:42 PM
Jan 2013

then expresses hostility to the local school board and school employees.

Said douchebag gets served by a judge with a protection order barring him from 1 mile of the local school and offices.

Or said douchebag expresses his desire for 2nd Amendment solutions to the Democrat Party.

Said douchebag gets served by a judge with a protection order barring him from one mile from the local Democratic Party office.

etc.

Gun Nut Free Zones.

yup



Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
59. You know what they say about...
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:12 PM
Jan 2013

...protection orders. They aren't worth the paper they are written on.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
81. With our current DHS philosophy, possibly any of the above
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:20 AM
Jan 2013

*However*

GOOD police work finds connections, paths, and trends, and forms hypotheses without ham handed (fisted?) actions.

A significant number of the people who stock up on ammo during sales ARE associated with law enforcement.

But, yes, under current DHS policy, there's a pretty fair chance that any of your potential scenarios could come into play.

Sad statement...

 

Berserker

(3,419 posts)
71. Do you mean
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:46 PM
Jan 2013

these guys? You should check with them to see if what you proposed is OK?
I don't think they will have a problem registering guns or sales records for ammo.

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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
17. Those are to enforce a limit on sudefed purchases
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jan 2013

And frankly, the way I and my kid have been sick the last month, I'm probably on some kind of list as well.


If there is no ammo purchasing limit, and ammo never expires, then what's the purpose?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
26. Stop this crimnal bull shit will you?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:13 PM
Jan 2013

The shooters we are talking about in the news weren't crimnals until they shot a bunch of people.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
30. Rampage shooters don't use a lot of ammo either.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jan 2013

Rampage shooters are rare, but get a lot of media when they happen. Ordinary criminals don't get much media attention but because they are common their total damage is far greater. Therefore, I talk about criminals more.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
69. Those were not rampage shooters.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jan 2013

They were bank robbers, and they were an anomoly in their ammo usage. Even so they used only a few hundred rounds at the most. That isn't a truckload of ammo.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
15. Same problem as showing photo ID to vote
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jan 2013

Doesn't do anything except irritate and harass people that you think should be harassed because of their choice to engage in an activity you don't approve of.


Same thing with transvaginal ultrasounds.


How about background checks and sales records for people buying alcohol?

safeinOhio

(32,683 posts)
88. I think background checks have helped a lot
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:57 PM
Jan 2013

with the purchase of full autos and CCWs issued. They have also worked with professional licenses like doctors, police officers, CIA agents and teachers. Even getting in to the military now requires background checks.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
20. A convicted felon can now walk out of Walmart with a truckload of ammo
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:58 PM
Jan 2013

This would prevent it.

yup

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
22. Criminals don't use truckloads of ammo.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jan 2013

How many bullets does it take to hold up a C-store? Usually none.

How many shots in a professional hit? Two or three - max. Often just one. Silenced .22 to the back of the head.

How many shots in a gang drive-by? Usually no more than 90. Assumes three guys shooting, with a 30 round mag apiece.

How many shots in a rampage shooting? Estimate 200.

How many shots in an afternoon of practice by a legal gun owner? Hundreds.

The only people inconvenienced by your law would be legal gun owners. Criminals just don't use very much ammo.

 

guardian

(2,282 posts)
24. "The only people inconvenienced by your law would be legal gun owners."
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:01 PM
Jan 2013

I think that is the whole point of the proposed law.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
34. Felons don't need ammo period - why do you want them to buy ammo?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:45 PM
Jan 2013

Oh I know....

The Precious

The Precious

yup

jpak

(41,758 posts)
47. You can start by stopping them from buying them legally at Walmart
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jan 2013

Felony ammo buyer apologist fail.

yup

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
52. So he has his wife/girlfriend pick up a box of ammo for him.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jan 2013

What have you accomplished? You can't even prove that she gave him the ammo as individual bullets can't be tracked.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
85. How?
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 05:29 PM
Jan 2013

DA: You purchased ammo last year, and your boyfriend robbed a C-store and shot the clerk.
Person: Yes, and I used it. I don't know where he got his ammo.

The DA now has to prove that the bullets she bought were the same bullets that the boyfriend used. That is next to impossible to do.

madville

(7,410 posts)
23. That's already a felony
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:26 PM
Jan 2013

That's already a felony. How did this felon get a gun to begin with? Illegally, same way they would continue to get ammo.

madville

(7,410 posts)
58. Yes it is illegal for a felon to receive or possess ammunition already
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jan 2013

The following cannot receive or possess ammunition or a firearm according to federal law, subject to up to ten years in federal prison:

Felons, illegal aliens, dishonorably discharged military members, illegal drug users, those ruled mentally defective by a court or committed to a mental institution, those subject to a domestic restraining order or those convicted of domestic assault.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/mn/downloads/Firearms%20MN_10.19.10.pdf

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
32. Thanks to the shrill cries of gun-control extremists...
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:29 PM
Jan 2013

Wally world, like most others, is out of stock on most bulk ammo. That's what happens when the technically ignorant start flapping their gums of a national stage.


Yup.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
41. Guns everywhere by everybody doesn't stop criminals
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:03 PM
Jan 2013

Time to throw out the failed policies of the past.

yup

jpak

(41,758 posts)
49. Yeah - banning felons from buying ammo won't stop tax cheats
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:36 PM
Jan 2013

and assholes that park in handicap spaces.

lol

yup

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
51. You don't mean that.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jan 2013

"Time to throw out the failed policies of the past."

I know you don't mean that.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
40. LOL!!! Your failure of reading comprehension.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jan 2013

Deliberate dishonesty in your arguments: "Why anti-gunners fail?", for $500 Alex.

Yup.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
56. Show exactly where I stated I did?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jan 2013

Oh, you can't? Tough shit. Take your shtick somewhere where it isn't boring, tired, obvious, and lame. People like you have no problems with felons buying anything. The rest of us have the decency to put our energies where they aren't wasted.


Yup.

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
25. Alot of problems- Mainly because IT'S ALREADY BEEN TRIED BEFORE
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:09 PM
Jan 2013

well atleast part of it. I'm going to break it down into 2 seperate catagories

Record of sales: From 1968-1986 all handgun ammo sales had to be recorded (requirement was name, adress, age, drivers license number). Mail order sales were banned. It was found that such information was of no use to police. why? because tracking only works if their is a discernable pattern which you can track. Most ammo sales were the purchaser planned to use it for illegal activities did not differ (in amount or type) than regular everyday joes buying for hunting, target, or defense shooting. There was just no difference in buying patters. To put it scientifically, it had 100% sensitivity and 0% specificity.

Background checks: background checks sound good on the surface- hey, we are making sure that only law abiding people buy ammo- but in reality would do very little. The reason for this is that the smaller and more widely produced an item is, the harder it is to track. Essentially all that you would garuntee would be that a guy with a rap sheet can't buy from a store- but that isn't stopping him from having someone else buy it for him (ammo straw purchase). Even if you made that illegal, there is just no way to enforce it. Ammo doesn't have a serial number and you still fall into the same problems as the record of sales- you cannot determine a pattern difference between straw ammo buyers- you would be searching for waldo in a sea of waldo look alikes. The amount of resources that would be required to even make this worthwhile is well beyond what the nation's law enforcement can spare.

The only way for these hypothetical things to work would be to have a serial number on ever bullet. You would have to prohibit ammo transfers in almost all cases unless someone went through a dealer. You would have to ban reloading of ammunition- but the only way to do effectively enforce that would be to ban reloading equipment. Reloading equipment isn't technologically complicated and I garuntee you that if you ban reloading presses, someone would find some other peice of equipment that could do the job just as well. You would essentially have to heavilty regulate the entire metal-works industry. You would have have to treat anyone who owns any peice of equipment that can be used to modify metal (drill press, lathe..etc) as a potential criminal.

Essentially, this process would end up looking like "war on drugs". Lots and lots of money and resources being thrown at a problem with questionable results

jpak

(41,758 posts)
35. Yeah - way before personal computers were widely used
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jan 2013

With today's IT, it will be a breeze to keep track of the gun CULTurist nuts that pose a threat to us all..

yup

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
55. you obviously aren't an IT person
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jan 2013

data mining only can go so far without the "human eye". All you would compile would be an extremely long list of american citizens. then what?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
27. Wouldn't that just be a target list for confiscation?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jan 2013

People with guns are already mega suspicious. There is not enough trust to be happy with all this tracking.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
37. Red Dawn was only a movie - it was not real
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:49 PM
Jan 2013

Pity the poor Delicate Flowers - if they are "law abiders" they have nothing to fear.

yup

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
44. Problem is, the grab nuts have made their intentions clear.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jan 2013

"Nobody's gonna take your guns" is, and has always been, a lie to try and creep far enough toward prohibition that trickery and bad faith diplomacy won't be necessary anymore.

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
54. Would you have a problem
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:53 PM
Jan 2013

with the police knocking on your door at 8 p.m. to do a full house search without a warrant? After all, if you're law abiding, you have nothing to fear, right?

jpak

(41,758 posts)
72. No - I want squadrons of Black Helicopters deploying Squads of Jackbooted Blue Helmets
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:50 PM
Jan 2013

Kicking down doors and extracting guns from fingers

without warrants

yup



Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
60. I think it is a great idea. We need to keep lists on everybody about every little thing they do.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:16 PM
Jan 2013

Baby Jesus likes that. yep

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
64. The problem is usually with the implementation details.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:36 PM
Jan 2013

Good idea: all sales get background checks on the buyer.

Poor implementation: all sales need to go through an FFL-ed dealer for the background check.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
65. 'Background checks' who said there's a problem?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:44 PM
Jan 2013

'Sales records' if there was a background check why keep a record?
Might be a privacy issue.

spin

(17,493 posts)
66. I remember many years ago that sales records for any handgun ammo was tracked ...
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:20 PM
Jan 2013

in Florida. I had to show my driver's license and sign a form every time I bought a box of .22 caliber ammo for target shooting. It accomplished nothing and eventually was abandoned as a waste of time.

I feel a better idea would be that any person wishing to buy ammunition should be required to show a photo ID that showed he/she had firearm safety training and had passed a background check. My Florida concealed weapons permit would serve that purpose. The initial state fee for the required fingerprinting, background check and processing for a Florida carry permit is $112 and the license is good for 7 years. Of course the fee for firearm safety training if you have no proof that you have had it in the past, would have to be added. The renewal fee for a Florida carry permit is only $60 and is also good for 7 years. (Of course a similar license could be issued that would allow a person to buy ammo but not to carry concealed if the state wished to impose different requirements for concealed carry.)

Scuba divers have to show a card to get air for their tanks and a sky diver has a card that shows that he/she has completed a class on sky diving when he arrives at a drop zone.

Now while I consider this a fairly sensible idea, I doubt that the NRA would agree and it would be hard to pass such a law at a national Level.




 

jody

(26,624 posts)
70. spin, what would an ID check do? It's easily avoided and ammunition can be used by anyone.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:39 PM
Jan 2013

If everyone is so enamored with ID checking, why not just add a code to a driver's license showing the holder is a law-abiding citizen with all civil rights available including driving, voting, speech, religion, RKBA, buying ammunition, buying alcohol, etc.

Just do everything at one time and accept 1984 and Brave New World. May as well attach a tracking chip at the same time.

spin

(17,493 posts)
74. Adding a code to a driver's license is a possibility that's worth considering ...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jan 2013

but since a criminal background check would have to be run it would be an unnecessary burden and expense on those who had no desire to buy ammunition.

Obviously many Christians would oppose a tracking chip because they would feel that it might be the "mark of the beast."

 

Publiuus

(31 posts)
76. What if they make their own?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:35 AM
Jan 2013

Most real gun nuts make their own ammo. Why should they get it at Walmart when they can get it almost free by making it. They make millions of rounds from wheel weights they melt down in their garage. It's like have a garden of mayhem!

safeinOhio

(32,683 posts)
90. Most criminals wouldn't have any idea
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:08 PM
Jan 2013

of how to make ammo. It would be very hard to control the sale of lead, gun powder, not so much.

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